Open 545: Nothing to Hide (Game over!! MAFIA WINS!!!)

toolenduso · Post Post #800 (ISO) » Sat Mar 22, 2014 1:50 pm

Meta research is taking a while so I'll post about it later, but in the meantime...Aegor, I looked through Salmonella's posts in the Razzies game you linked to and I felt like it wasn't too far off from his posting in this game. What did you think was different about it?

Aegor · Post Post #801 (ISO) » Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:05 pm

In post 796, toolenduso wrote:How would scum know whether there are PRs in the game?

Because this is a semi-open setup. Scum know the number of PRs because they know their own roles (e.g. JOAT).

I guess what bothered me most about your push on fitz was that after I pointed out the town motivation behind it you kept acting like he was basically confirmed scum,

It is impossible for vonflare to be scum and both fitz and Sakura to be PRs unless there is an SK. vonflare's claim was correct, so the town motivation was obvious. Yet he was lynched very quickly for specious reasoning as well. The same could be leveled against both of them.

In a massclaim, do not lie. It is anti-town, even if not intended as such. Just as you saw potential town motivation from fitz, I saw potential town motivation in vonflare. And I was not on vonflare's wagon, so...

and I didn't get that because to me it made sense that fitz and Sakura both telling the truth was equally as likely as both of them being fakeclaimed scum. So...why did you think that fitz and Sakura lying was the most likely?

I did not. I thought it most likely that fitz and vonflare were both scum. Read my posts.

OK, the massclaiming before LyLo makes sense. But I don't understand what you mean when you say scum fakeclaiming PRs wasn't important to you...?

It did not matter with regard to whether we should massclaim.

Yes, you said you wanted fitz lynched before vonflare, but you still said you wanted vonflare lynched here:

Obviously that would be contingent upon the flips. Had Sakura died overnight, I would hardly be calling for fitz's lynch today.

Which contradicts you saying "I was never in favor of lynching vonflare."

In an insignificant way.

In post 798, T S O wrote:Aegor, it's time for you to step up to the plate, because if I don't see a concise thought pattern in your case here, I'll start the voting and be damned if I'm wrong.

Shut the fuck up and insulting us with your feigned ignorance.

VOTE: SD

Aegor · Post Post #802 (ISO) » Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:10 pm

In post 800, toolenduso wrote:Meta research is taking a while so I'll post about it later, but in the meantime...Aegor, I looked through Salmonella's posts in the Razzies game you linked to and I felt like it wasn't too far off from his posting in this game. What did you think was different about it?

I think nothing, since there different is manifest. Therefore I

know

. In that game (in which I was scum, btw), SD was somewhat lurky, but actually contributed, made points, established reads, and produced substance. ISO SD in this game. You will find that he has popped in to hammer twice and has produced nothing of use to town. Please let me know if you have any more questions, but the difference seems very, very clear to me.

Sakura Hana · Post Post #803 (ISO) » Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:21 pm

Welp, now either we lose or one of Aegor or SD (if not both) is confirmed scum.

toolenduso · Post Post #804 (ISO) » Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:41 pm

In post 803, Sakura Hana wrote:Welp, now either we lose or one of Aegor or SD (if not both) is confirmed scum.

How do you figure?

Sakura Hana · Post Post #805 (ISO) » Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:43 pm

I kind of wanted someone to vote SD anyway, I have a strong feeling he's scum.

toolenduso · Post Post #806 (ISO) » Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:52 pm

...I don't think that answered my question.

T S O · Post Post #807 (ISO) » Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:53 pm

My feigned ignorance?

Are you fucking serious?

T S O · Post Post #808 (ISO) » Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:54 pm

tool, what's your opinion of Aegor's comment? Opinion on SD?

toolenduso · Post Post #809 (ISO) » Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:55 pm

I'm really not sure. Meta research has shifted my reads a little bit but I feel like I need a bit more.

T S O · Post Post #810 (ISO) » Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:56 pm

I ...don't know.

Vote: SalmonellaDreams

There's no support for you, and he has as good a chance of flipping scum as Aegor does.

toolenduso · Post Post #811 (ISO) » Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:56 pm

VOTE: SalmonellaDreams

toolenduso · Post Post #812 (ISO) » Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:56 pm

God I hope he flips scum.

T S O · Post Post #813 (ISO) » Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:57 pm

VOTE: SalmonellaDreams

Don't we all, tool.

toolenduso · Post Post #814 (ISO) » Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:58 pm

VOTE: SalmonellaDreams
VOTE: SalmonellaDreams
VOTE: SalmonellaDreams
VOTE: SalmonellaDreams

Aegor · Post Post #815 (ISO) » Sat Mar 22, 2014 3:00 pm

So you two were scum?

T S O · Post Post #816 (ISO) » Sat Mar 22, 2014 3:01 pm

tool are you scum?

give it to me straight, I can take it.

T S O · Post Post #817 (ISO) » Sat Mar 22, 2014 3:01 pm

PEDIT: N TO THE O, AEGOR.

T S O · Post Post #818 (ISO) » Sat Mar 22, 2014 3:01 pm

I think I've lost us the game.

toolenduso · Post Post #819 (ISO) » Sat Mar 22, 2014 3:01 pm

Haha well I guess that was a lynch.

Yes I was scum. Aegor's my partner obv.

Good job buddy!

Aegor · Post Post #820 (ISO) » Sat Mar 22, 2014 3:02 pm

Then that means SD is definitely scum.

Aegor · Post Post #821 (ISO) » Sat Mar 22, 2014 3:02 pm

What is happening?

I am definitely town.

toolenduso · Post Post #822 (ISO) » Sat Mar 22, 2014 3:03 pm

Of huck

T S O · Post Post #823 (ISO) » Sat Mar 22, 2014 3:03 pm

Damn you, Aegor. I would never have suspected a tool-Aegor team.

Though I despise people who troll in twilight, so cease your act of innocence, Aegor. I ain't buyin.

toolenduso · Post Post #824 (ISO) » Sat Mar 22, 2014 3:03 pm

Wait a second. SD was my partner...