Open 172 - Mini Love - GAME OVER!

[Yankee]

Also how many does it take to lynch now?

VOTE COUNT

Vino (2): Netlava, Yankee
Netlava (1): Vino

Not Voting (1): Nikanor

With 4 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.
2 is needed to lynch at deadline.

[Nikanor]

Four alive means three to lynch. You probably shouldn't be asking that after you vote. >_>

[Yankee]

True

Unvote

I want a detailed analysis of Netlava from Vino, and a Detailed analysis of Vino from Netlava.

[Vino]

Netalava and Vino, can you please analyse this for me?

Do you mean analyze the people in the votes or analyze why they voted or analyze the situation or what?

Also why is this particular situation so important to you, out of everything else that's happened?

Yankee, what exactly about the Dramonic lynch yesterday don't you like?

[Netlava]

Netalava and Vino, can you please analyse this for me?

Not sure what you're asking here.

[Netlava]

I've already posted why I think Vino is scummy for the most part.

[Nikanor]

Just analyse the voting patterns you two. Your life may depend on it.

[Yankee]

Then repost it Netlava. And what I didnt like about the lynch yesterday was that I was wrong and he was a townie, also the fact that Netlava's vote wasnt on him but yours was. But i have a feeling that could be just alot of WIFOM Since Netlava really hasnt voted for a townie at all this game..... Could be good or bad.

[Nikanor]

While editing my wiki, I noticed something.
In Open 167, Netlava also quickhammered a townsperson as town. I'm starting to doubt the scumminess of Netlava's hammer now.

[Vino]

@Yankee: So then you don't actually have any concern with my behavior yesterday, just the fact that I got it wrong, even though three other people did too? I can understand if you said, "The nature of your vote was scummy," but you're saying, "You suck at picking scum," which actually isn't really very scummy at all, just means I suck at the game, apparently. Is this just another instance of people building a case against me without any apparent evidence? If you want to vote me on my voting record, then you need to remember that I cast the deciding vote to lynch the treacherous lover pair. Also this is "woulda coulda" but I would have done the same for SB, if I had been around that day.

Anyways let's analyse some voting patterns, starting with Nikanor. My vote of Nikanor happened much earlier than page 14 for these reasons:

* For refusing to back up his votes with more than just "Don't you agree?"
* For going back and forth between votes to see which one will stick.
* For talking so flippantly about lynching lovers.

Naturally it seems I turned out to be wrong, but I still think the logic was good. I still think lover lynching was a bad idea -- Right now all of the lovers but Yankee are currently dead, a situation that maybe could have been avoided. Anyway...

Just after that ani picks up the vote as well, which I didn't particularly enjoy. At the time it seemed like blatant bandwagoning, as if he thought maybe it would pick up steam if he lended his vote to it.

SB's vote of Nikanor was a lot less scummy than her vote on Yankee which was one of the main things that sold me on her being scum. Still, it appears that she was trying to pick up momentum on a new bandwagon or something, I dunno. Two pages later Looker makes his as well, and now there's two scum on a bandwagon that I started. At the time I didn't actually really notice, because Looker's vote came on the end of a huge post that I didn't entirely digest, as it was mostly nit picking between Nik and Looker, but I think the motive probably was more to build up steam than anything else. Yankee was on Nikanor's wagon for a short time on page 13, so it looked as though it was picking up speed. It didn't stick though, and these two stayed with their votes on Nik until they both changed to Yankee on page 21. I think it's pretty telling that their votes seemed to move together, I suppose it's more apparent in retrospect. I remember suspecting at the time that Looker was Khamisa's lover, and my memory is terrible but I think his change over to Yankee was one of my pieces of evidence.

Shortly after that I was forced to pick a side between Yankee and Khamisa, and that ended D1 with the treacherous scum lynch. So let's look at Khamisa's lynch.

Kirbyoshi and Honcho are flipped town and not very interesting to talk about. Here's Netlava's vote of Khamisa. The entire post is thus:

Unvote, vote: Khamisa

Shortly after he comes up with this, without being pressed for it:

Plus, it bothered me a bit that Khamisa was on Yankee's wagon. I don't think scum would be that eager to bus.

Pretty weak logic in my opinion. Seems more like an excuse to hop on a wagon than it does actual scumhunting. At this point, with both of his buddies on Nikanor's wagon, maybe he thought it was a good time to do some distancing from them. I especially like the follow-up post to that:

Looker, aside from responding to random quotes, who do you think is scum?

Looker responds with her Nikanor vote, dodging the question entirely, and Netlava doesn't take up the case. Looks like scum banter to me.

(I'm just going to continue from here with an iso on Netlava.)

Netlava proceeds to push a Khamisa lynch for a while. I read this as distancing and giving cause for plausible deniability later.

I love this post:

I agree that if Khamisa were scum, Vino would be a likely scumbuddy.

People have paired me with a lot of other people who flipped town in this game.

His last post that day urges more lover lynches, and the from that point he pretty much lurks all the way to Khamisa's hammer, and then all the way through until he hammers animorpherv the next day.

I have to go now, I'll continue later.

[Yankee]

well?...... its been a while since ANYBODY posted...

[Netlava]

I will post later today.

[Yankee]

Are we absolutely positive that they cant both be mafia? lol cause they both seem to be trying to delay this process....

[Netlava]

VOTE COUNT
Nikanor (4): Vino, animorpherv1, Snow_Bunny, Looker
Khamisa (3): Kirbyoshi, Head_Honcho, Netlava

Let's see here... all 3 scum were on the Nikanor wagon, which may explain why Nikanor was the NK choice despite having a wagon on him D1. Not coincidentally, Nikanor's top 2 suspects D1 were Snow_Bunny & Vino.

Looking at Vino's vote history, we see that he jumps on the Khamisa wagon relatively late. If he were to vote Yankee, though, he still wouldn't be able to save Looker. So he chooses to bus.

On D3, Vino doesn't really vote anyone. The pressure is on snow_bunny, so his lurkish & non-committal behavior can be interpreted as stalling. By the time Vino posts his stance, Snow_Bunny had already claimed. Interestingly, when kirby looks like he might possibly be lynched, Vino seems ready to join his wagon.

On D4, Vino is again non-committal. This is because he'll have to set himself up for lylo and he has to get a townie mislynched.

[Yankee]

The case on Vino is starting to make sense to me, although i have been getting a town Vibe from Netlava for a while now.....

What is your opinion Nikanor? I know you should be online about this time. Anyways, off to bed fella's.....

[Nikanor]

Hey yeah. Lol.

[Nikanor]

I'm going to check Netlava's facts tomorrow. Right now I'm leaning towards Netlava as scum, though.

[Yankee]

why is that though? It just seems to me that Netlava is town.... I can explain later if you want, going to bed (again, lol) .....

[Nikanor]

Lol 'kay.
Have fun!
Explain tomorrow after you get sleep. Hopefully you don't forget.

[Vino]

Sorry I've been really busy.

I'll hand you the remainder maybe later tonight.

I'm not trying to delay anything I'm just short on time.

[Netlava]

...and content...

[Yankee]

*yawn*

[Yankee]

I think it is pretty obvious that Vino is Scum now. If he were truely this busy he would have replaced out by now, i think he is trying to hide and hope we forget about him or something. Either way he has lied (twice?) now about posting more "later tonight" and it has been 2 days now.... Please for the benefit of the town Hammer Vino Nikanor.....

[Netlava]

What I mean by "and content" is that Vino's case on me is pretty short. He hasn't accused me of anything.

[Yankee]

omg, Nik, please hammer and end this game that is starting to turn out to be very dull and boring. A true townie knowing that someone is a scum would be actively posting against that person like Netlava is doing. Plus the fact that Vino has been on every Townie Lynch and Netlava for the most part hasnt. It is quite clear that Vino is the scum. Please for the love of god hammer and end this....