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Post Post #875 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 3:57 pm

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In post 872, Klingoncelt wrote:Nacho already said that his role PM doesn't indicate alignment.
"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten

-- Fate, Vanilla Townie, was brutally stabbed by a throwing sword in endgame.
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Post Post #876 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 3:58 pm

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In post 872, Klingoncelt wrote:Nacho already said that his role PM doesn't indicate

"Playing with Nacho is like playing with a religious conservative." ~UncertainKitten

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Post Post #877 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2015 2:35 am

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Just want this game over before it reaches Nightingale levels of me not caring
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Post Post #878 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2015 11:43 am

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In post 871, Oversoul wrote:Can you re-explain your role for me? Your second ability effectively makes someone a strongman?

it means that their night action cannot be blocked by a role blocker, if that is the definition of a stong man, then yes for one night.

I also think that nacho is the best lynch for today. He is the highest liklyhood of being not town. Then if he flips as not town we kill klingon tomorrow and the town wins, gg. If we miss, then we live hapily ever after with the third party.

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Post Post #879 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2015 3:41 pm

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If nacho is town then I give up up
I have varying reads of town on everyone else
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Post Post #880 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:51 pm

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In post 879, Oversoul wrote:If nacho is town then I give up up
I have varying reads of town on everyone else

:facepalm:
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Post Post #881 (ISO) » Thu Aug 06, 2015 6:09 pm

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In post 878, CooLDoG wrote:
In post 871, Oversoul wrote:Can you re-explain your role for me? Your second ability effectively makes someone a strongman?

it means that their night action cannot be blocked by a role blocker, if that is the definition of a stong man, then yes for one night.

I also think that nacho is the best lynch for today. He is the highest liklyhood of being not town. Then if he flips as not town we kill klingon tomorrow and the town wins, gg. If we miss, then we live hapily ever after with the third party.

vote: nacho


If the game still doesn't end after my lynch, try re-lynching Maruchan.
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Post Post #882 (ISO) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 6:00 am

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Mod scene forthcoming. Don't panic.
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Post Post #883 (ISO) » Fri Aug 07, 2015 8:24 pm

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Nachomamma8 is dead. With them dies the role of
Groot
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Night actions need to be in by Monday evening EDT, at which time I will finally be off this phone.
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Post Post #884 (ISO) » Tue Aug 11, 2015 2:23 pm

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--- diginova --- Lady Lambdadelta,
Town Moderator
--- Killed Night 4.


(How dare you!)




Vote Count XL:

Oversoul (1) ~ Lady Lambdadelta

Not Voting:
CooLDoG, Klingoncelt, Oversoul

--With 3 alive, it takes 2 to lynch.
--Deadline is August 25, 2015 at 20:00 EDT.
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Post Post #885 (ISO) » Tue Aug 11, 2015 3:09 pm

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CooLDoG,
Klingoncelt,
Oversoul

and possibly Maruchan...

I have some ISOing to do. bbl...
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Post Post #886 (ISO) » Tue Aug 11, 2015 3:41 pm

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I don't think Maruchan exists anymore
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Post Post #887 (ISO) » Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:15 pm

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In post 886, Oversoul wrote:I don't think Maruchan exists anymore



» Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:52 pm
--- Maruchan --- The Doctor, Neutral Whimsical Time Traveler --- Finally, Totally, Definitely Killed Night 2. Maybe.


It's that "maybe" part that has me wondering.

If you want to lynch me, go ahead, but I don't have a kill power.
Since I have to pick a killer between you and CoolDog, ... I don't know... which one of you is it?
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Post Post #888 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2015 2:22 am

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As I mentioned earlier, this game really comes down to what ending we want. We know that there is probably a 3rd party sk type role. The question simply becomes if we want to lynch the claimed third party and believe that he is the killer, or take our chances with a draw/happily ever after. In essence it comes down to if oversould and me trust klingon or not. If we don't trust klingon then obviously we will reach a situation where both our votes will go to each other and then klingon decides. If we don't trust klingon we kill him.
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Post Post #889 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2015 4:42 am

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I trust Klingon, so I guess it is 1v1 time CoolDog
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Post Post #890 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2015 5:08 am

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I mean, it is fair.
vote: oversoul


I mean, if this is the situation that you want, it is fine by me.
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Post Post #891 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2015 5:09 am

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I just want it to be know that if klingon lynches me, he will have lynched the player that single handedly got the town to this spot. And that ain't revisionist history either, I pushed all the right wagons and made all of the right plays. So yeah, if the town loses I will be salty.
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Post Post #892 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2015 5:40 am

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Post Post #893 (ISO) » Wed Aug 12, 2015 11:28 am

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Vote Count XLI:

oversoul (2) ~ Lady Lambdadelta, CooLDoG

Not Voting:
Klingoncelt, Oversoul

--With 3 alive, it takes 2 to lynch.
--Deadline is August 25, 2015 at 20:00 EDT.





--- Oversoul --- Skull Kid,
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--- Lynched Day 5.


Night 5 begins now.
Please have your actions in by
20:00 EDT on Friday, August 14.
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Post Post #894 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2015 1:59 pm

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--- Klingoncelt --- Miss Marple,
Neutral Person With Access to the Dead Thread And Its Related Mod-Given Spoilers
--- Killed Night 5.

--- CooLDoG --- Bob the Builder,
Mafia Team Leader
--- Survived Night 5!

--- Lady Lambdadelta --- Lady Lambdadelta,
Witch of Certainty
--- Wandered Off Night 5?


The illusion is set and the game is over.
The winners are CooLDoG and MewThree. There are no other winners.


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Post Post #895 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2015 3:36 pm

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Spoiler: TOWN ~ Lady Lambdadelta, as played by diginova
diginova's submission:
*Town
*If there was anything else, I don't remember it - it wasn't on the spreadsheet

UshiromiyaAnge wrote:
~diginova~


Welcome to Rokkenjima,
Lady Lambdadelta
. This island is indeed honored to have a personage as revered as yours manifest. In this game, your role is that of a
Town Moderator
. There are some beings in the multiverse who believe that such a thing is an impossible thing, but then, there are some beings in the multiverse who do not believe in witches. Pay them no mind, except to crush them beneath your heel as you see fit.

These are the abilities available to you.

(P)
Border of Lady Lambdadelta and Lady Lambdadelta
- You are a cat. This might have ingame significance.
(A!)
Red Text of Rules
- As a witch, and indeed as mastermind of this tragedy, you are eligible to use the red truth. In this game, its use is governed by the following factors:
*You may use the red truth once per game Day!
*You must use the red truth publicly by stating it inthread!
*Red truth stated by you must pertain to the content of posts! (minor nitpick here - you cannot state that things "shall be" or "must be", merely that "they are" - e.g. "there are no pictures of flying monkeys in any posts in this game!")
*Any text declared in red is added to the ruleset!
*Any text declared in red cannot contradict any other rules!
*Any text declared in red cannot contradict events that have already occurred!
*Violations of red text
by you
are fatal! This includes stating red text improperly as well as violating the red text after stating it!
*Violations of red text
by others
will result in rules infractions! (Three of these will result in a modkill.)
*We reserve the right to overrule things at our discretion. This may come with rules infractions.
(A)
Try Harder
- Once during the game for one Day phase, target self to take control of the votes of all living players who have incurred rules infractions.

You win when yours is the only faction in the game, or nothing can prevent the same.

Confirm by responding with your role name. Please enjoy this display of tragedy to the fullest. Do ask us if you would like assistance with the red text.
Mod notes: This might be the only role with no mod notes.


diginova played this role exactly the way it was designed to work - get a bunch of people to commit rules infractions Day 1 and then wait until you can dictate the lynch. Had he not died when he did, he very well could have won.

To that end, CooLDoG's complaint about the rules infraction and modkill giveaways was misplaced. Very precise modding was actually a
feature
that this role required.


Spoiler: TOWN ~ Edward Teach, as played by massive
massive's submission:
*Town
*Edward Teach
*Bastardry: 8
*Complexity: 4

UshiromiyaAnge wrote:
~massive~


Per your request, you are
Edward Teach
, a
Townie Pirate Legend
. Based on the other submissions, I feel sorry for you. Nonetheless, these are your abilities.

(P)
Screw You Guys, I'm a Pirate Captain
- You are probably the only Townie in this game. I will leave it to you to determine what the terms "you", "probably", "only", "Townie", and "game" mean.
(A)
Armed to the M-Fing Teeth
- During the Night, target player to kill them. (You may not use two (A) abilities during the same phase.)
(A)
Bring Out the Red Coat!
- During the Night, target self to prevent a single kill that would resolve against them during that phase. (You may not use two (A) abilities during the same phase.)
(A)
Not Quite a Flaming Viking
- Once during the game, during the Day, target self to set yourself on freaking FIRE. This will scare the other players out of lynching you that Day so long as you remain on FIRE. (You may not use two (A) abilities during the same phase.)
(A)
Parley
- Once during the game, you may open a QuickTopic with a player for the remainder of that phase. The pirate's code of honor stops you from being killed by a player you are parleying with. (You may not use two (A) abilities during the same phase.)

You win when yours is the only faction in the game, or nothing can prevent the same.

Confirm by responding with your role name. I wish you the best of luck. (for certain definitions of "I", "wish", "you", "best", and "luck")
Mod notes:
*Not the only Townie in the game.
*"Parley" doesn't even need a mod note. The drawbacks seem obvious.


When I received the spreadsheet of submissions, I actually thought massive was the only Town player. I didn't read closely enough to see that McMenno was being arbitrarily assigned Town, and diginova's submission wasn't on there, so I designed the role as if he was the only Townie. ...well, if I had really done that, I would have made him more powerful, like making his Bulletproof instead be a kill nexus, or something. Either way, this was basically a dream role for the one honest person in the game. :D

I'm not exactly sure why he got lynched. It must have been the total lack of other Townies or something. I added "Captain" to his flip because he suggested it and, yeah, that should have been there from the beginning.
Arrr.


Spoiler: TOWN(?) ~ PewDiePie, as played by McMenno and then Ozgin
McMenno's submission:
*Any alignment
*PewDiePie
*Bastardry: 10
*Complexity: 5

UshiromiyaAnge wrote:
~McMenno~


Per your request, you are
PewDiePie
, an Internet Millionaire. Whyyyyy did you even visit this horror upon this game. :facepalm: Yours is probably the most hated role in the game. Even so, these are your abilities.

(P)
Scarecam
- At Night, you will scream like a little girl. You will earn ten thousand followers each time you do this. (You may also earn about as many followers each time you make a rape joke, but the mods will kill you if you try this ingame.)
(P)
Legions of Fans
- You are a doublevoter. Congratulations!
(A)
Advertise Self
- At Night, target player to learn who they targeted, and force them to make a null action to you. They will be informed that they did this. (You may not use two (A) abilities during the same phase.)
(A)
PewDiePie Responds To Adults Respond To PewDiePie
- At Night, target player who has previously targeted you to identify who they target. (You may not use two (A) abilities during the same phase.)

Confirm by responding with your role name. I wish you the best of luck, but only in the most formal sense.
Mod notes:
*Not directly mentioned in this role is that they are Hated. They'll figure that out on their own, right?
*Also not mentioned in this role - any Win Condition. They'll figure that out on their own, right? They're actually Town. If asked, the response should be "lol, assume you're Town".
*If this role is targeted at Night, Scarecam fails. Otherwise, embarrassing screaming is heard at Night.


This was the only role where the text of their role indicated something not explicitly stated in their role - in this case, the Hated modifier. I was wondering if I'd have to bring it into play, but Ozgin did a very creditable job with this role. The fact that it cleared Oversoul put a target on his back, though.

I made a mod error Night 2; Ozgin was not targeted by anyone so the Scarecam ability should have gone off. At least that was a benign error; I don't think it would have made any difference whatsoever.

Giving the role no alignment even on flip was an idea that was funnier to design than to play. To the other players in the game, I apologize. (With that said, the player should have figured it out by the total lack of factional abilities.) In retrospect, not giving the player a Win Condition was probably a bad idea anyway (see Groot below).


Spoiler: MAFIA A ~ Bob the Builder, as played by CooLDoG
CooLDoG's submission:
*Mafia
*Bob the Builder
*Bastardry: 7
*Complexity: 2

UshiromiyaAnge wrote:
~CooLDoG~


Per your request, you are
Bob the Builder
, a
Mafia Team Leader
. This was a pretty bizarre choice for a role, to be frank. I mean, not just because you talk to anthropomorphic steam shovels. You picked someone who
encourages positive social interactions
. In a Mafia game. If you're wondering what the hell that means in a Mafia game, read your abilities below.

(FP)
Scumhat
- You can work with your partner
MewThree,
MewThree
in this thread.
(FA)
Player List Renovation
- As a faction, each Night you may target player to kill them.

(A)
Can We Fix It?
- You may target a player to prevent any actions they may take that would prevent things from resolving on them. Once you use this ability, you may not use it again for three phases. (You may not use two (A) abilities during the same phase.)
(A)
YES WE CAN
- Once during the game during the Day, target self to become such an emblem of HOPE and CHANGE that the deadline will become 72 hours from the time the use of the ability is announced inthread by the moderator. (You may not use two (A) abilities during the same phase.)

You win when your faction is the only one alive, or nothing can prevent the same.

Confirm by responding with your role name. I wish you the best of luck, especially since that backhoe seems to want your attention.
Mod note:
"Can We Fix It?" is primarily in reference to things like Blackbeard setting himself on fire, etc.


The Wacky Watch (from Mario Party 3; makes it so that the next turn is always the fifth from last) has always been one of my favorite design concepts, and while it wasn't used, I'm glad I was able to put into a Role PM.

The other active ability was probably totally unnecessary and should not have been included from a balance perspective.


Spoiler: MAFIA A ~ (MewThree), as played by MewThree
MewThree's submission:
*Mafia
*vonflare
*Bastardry: 10
*Complexity: 3

UshiromiyaAnge wrote:
~MewThree~


Per your request,
you are
MewThree
. Since this is an important point of comprehension, I'm going to go ahead and put this ability first.

(P)
But You Knew This Already
- Blue truth is hypothetical in nature. It exists to provide explanations that cannot be refuted by red truth. So, think of things like this. You are blue truth. Your mortal enemy is red truth. Now think of things like this.
You are MewThree.
As long as nothing comes up that would contraindicate this or suggest that that may not be true - literally anywhere, literally in any context - you will not be denied in red. Of course, if you are denied in red… I don't have to explain everything, do I?

Getting back to the plot, you are a
Mafia Suspicious Sock Puppet
. These are your abilities.

(FP)
Scumegg
- You may speak with your scumpartner (
CooLDoG,
Bob the Builder
) in this thread.
(FA)
Assassinate
- As a faction, each Night you may target player to kill them.

(A)
Blackout
- Once during the game during the Day when there are only 48 or fewer hours left in the Day, target self to lock the thread and cause the lynch to be decided by votes PMd to the moderator. (You may not use two (A) abilities during the same phase.)
(A)
Substitute
- You may target a player to render them immune to actions that may resolve on them. Once used, you may not use this ability again until three full phases have passed. (You may not use two (A) abilities during the same phase.)

You win when your faction is the only one alive, or nothing can prevent the same.

Confirm by responding with your role name. I await your response with great interest.
Mod note: This role is modkill bait.


MewThree had absolutely no idea what I was talking about with this Role PM, to the extent that I had to explain it kind of slowly pregame :V After that, he was perfectly fine, at least until he got into the Dead Thread.

In retrospect, when I modkilled him, I should have flipped him as
vonflare
. That would have been much more entertaining than the already entertaining prospect of inexplicably modkilling a dead player. Well, no one seemed to mind much.

The actual role was pretty overpowered for this game.


Spoiler: MAFIA B ~ Shion Yasuoka, as played by Jeanne11
Jeanne11's submission:
*Mafia
*Shion Yasuoka (which I promptly had to use Wikipedia on)
*Bastardry: 7
*Complexity: 8

UshiromiyaAnge wrote:
~Jeanne11~


Per your request, you are
Shion Yasuoka
, a
Mute Mafia Mute Mafioso
. I have
no idea
why you thought picking a mute character in a bastard game was a good idea. Nonetheless, these are your abilities.

(FP)
Mute Mafia Factional Chat
- You're not getting a factional chat. You're mute. I will at least tell you that your scumpartner is
Plotinus,
The Mathemakitten
.
(FA)
CHECKMATE WEEABOOS
- You're not a killer. You're actually trying to FIND a killer, and confront them through shogi. Because that totally WORKS. Until your scumpartner is dead and you're left helpless, you cannot target anyone with your factional kill.

(P)
Papermate
- You are post-restricted. You may post no text in the game thread that is not bookended by quotation marks (" "), asterisks (* *), or brackets ([ ]).
(A!)
Paperlate
- During each Night, target player to send them a single message of your choosing. On the next Night, that player may target you to send a single message back (this is a free action for them, so they can take another action in addition to this).
(A)
World Series of Shogi
- Each Night, you may target as many players as you desire to redirect their actions as you like. You may condition your redirections as you like (e.g. if ____ targets ____, then ____, but otherwise _____). However, if you try to redirect the actions of any player who does not target anyone, this action will fail in its entirety. You may try to redirect different actions to separate players (i.e. if a player can use two actions in one Night), but the ability as a whole will fail if you try to specify two distinct targets for someone who does not use two abilities. (You may not use two (A) abilities during the same phase.)

You win when yours is the only faction in the game, or nothing can prevent the same.

Confirm by responding with your role name. I wish you the best of luck. Especially with that post restriction you totally asked for.
Mod notes:
*World Series of Shogi is exactly the same ability as The Mathemakitten's MMMM. MMMM takes priority. This means that if The Mathemakitten tries to redirect Shion Yasuoka, Shion will make everyone retarget, then The Mathemakitten will force all of Shion's targets to target whoever the M-kitten forces Shion to target, and then those targets may or may not be redirected accordingly.
*Roles that say "target self" activate on whoever they ultimately target.
*Breaking the post restriction will cause a rules infraction.


Yeah, this happened. I'll put the analysis in the next role down.


Spoiler: MAFIA B ~ The Mathemakitten, as played by Plotinus
Plotinus's submission:
*Mafia
*The Mathemakitten
*Bastardry: 10
*Complexity: 5

UshiromiyaAnge wrote:
~Plotinus~


Per your request, you are
The Mathemakitten
, a
Mewling Mafia Matrix Mogul
. After finishing the setup, on balance the prior probability of your success seems rather low. Nonetheless, these are your abilities.

(FP)
Mew Missive Mongering Moratorium
- You are a cat. Your partner (
Jeanne13,
Shion Yasuoka
) is mute. You can have deep conversations without a factional chat thread.
(FA)
Merged Murder Matriculation Medium
- At Night, target player to kill them. This is your factional kill. If your scumpartner does not target the same player with their factional kill, this ability will fail.

(P)
POWERFUL WIZARDRY?
- In a world full of sweet pirates, powerful witches, crushing carpenters, thug millionaires and FREAKING TIME TRAVELERS MAN -- you are a cat. Meow.
(P)
The Song of My People
- Your theme song is here. This may have ingame significance.
(A)
Mega Markov Mastermind Manipulation
- Each Night, you may target as many players as you desire to redirect their actions as you like. You may condition your redirections as you like (e.g. if ____ targets ____, then ____, but otherwise _____). However, if you try to redirect the actions of any player who does not target anyone, this action will fail in its entirety. You may try to redirect different actions to separate players (i.e. if a player can use two actions in one Night), but the ability as a whole will fail if you try to specify two distinct targets for someone who does not use two abilities. (You may not use two (A) abilities during the same phase.)

You win when yours is the only faction in the game, or nothing can prevent the same.

Confirm by responding with your role name. I wish you the best of math. Although this is really more "logic" than "math".
Mod notes:
*Simultaneously a member of the Mewling Mafia and the Mute Mafia.
*Shion Yasuoka doesn't have a factional kill until this role is dead, so the Mewling Mafia is unable to factionally kill until one of them is dead. Don't worry! In theory, the other MMMM more than makes up for this if used well.
*As a corollary to the above, not only can this role not use MMMM to force the factional kill to hit someone, but targeting Shion may cause unintended results. Well, she DID ask for bastardry.
*World Series of Shogi is exactly the same ability as The Mathemakitten's MMMM. MMMM takes priority. This means that if The Mathemakitten tries to redirect Shion Yasuoka, Shion will make everyone retarget, then The Mathemakitten will force all of Shion's targets to target whoever the M-kitten forces Shion to target, and then those targets may or may not be redirected accordingly.
*Abilities that say "target self" will apply to whoever they were redirected to where appropriate.
*The song has no ingame significance; I'm just finishing up the MMMM gag.


Yeah, so. Modding lessons learned. Actually, to my great embarrassment, at least one of these is a modding lesson
relearned
because I made the same mistake in my first Large Theme.
*FACTIONAL KILL >>>> NO FACTIONAL KILL. Right from there, these roles were underpowered. Do not ever give scum a mandatory kill restriction.
*The ability wasn't even that good because after a few Days people just stopped using their abilities, so there was nothing to redirect.
*The fact that no contingency was ever made for Jeanne11 to die and Plotinus to be left without a kill was an oversight. Given my co-mod's response of "lol", more or less, I threw this in when Jeanne11 died as if it were there all along.
*cacklecackle* Good job with the scumteam!

*mocking look* That's okay, there's a failsafe in it for you!

(FA)
Weapons-Grade Mewtonium
- Once during the game at Night, target player to hit them with waves. Or maybe particles. Perhaps both at the same time. Look, they die from them.

While it turned out to be the best move in this game to use it immediately as she was about to get crosskilled, in the future, if someone gives you a one-shot kill as scum and you have no other means of killing, it means you'll need it to get through LyLo. It also means that your role is really bad. :/ I'm sorry.


Spoiler: MAFIA C ~ Kitten Arsonist, as played by wgeurts
wgeurts' submission:
*Mafia
*Kitten Arsonist That Can't Stop Burning Kittens Because He Loves 'Em Too Darn Much
*Bastardry: 10
*Complexity: 4

UshiromiyaAnge wrote:
~wgeurts~


Per your request, you are a
Kitten Arsonist
, a
Mewling Mafia Feliphiliac
. We, the moderators, are deliberately censoring your request because seriously, did you really think LLD would allow Zippo Cat in her game? You will
hug
these cats and
you will like it
.

You are still free to issue some sick burns though.

These are your abilities.

(FP)
Fan Club President
- You have a factional cat chat here.
(FA)
Embrace
- You do not get a factional kill. You do, however, get a factional hug. During each Night, you may target a player to hug them. If they are a cat, you will hug them. This will stop all other Night actions from targeting them.

(A)
Peddle Catnip
- During each Night, you may target a player. If that player is a cat, you will change your Win Condition to theirs. Once your Win Condition changes once, it will not change again. (You may not use two (A) abilities during the same phase.)

You win with whichever faction you successfully peddle catnip to. You will be removed from the game if it becomes impossible for you to win.

Confirm by responding with your role name. Given the obvious cat bias with the designers, we wish you the best of luck. Or else.
Mod notes:
*This role has no means of endgaming players in a 1-1 except the single-shot kill. Best not use that too thoughtlessly.
*What cats who are peddled catnip are told is "your death is not necessary for ___ to win". The catnip also turns the font of any night results they get weird colors, because this role is actually peddling ditch weed.


LLD was adamant about not giving out ANY role that featured burning kittens. Since I designed the game without paying attention to who was asking and frankly have been out of the Mafia meme circuit for a few years, I went with it. I probably would have argued more had I known what this role was supposed to be about.

This role was pretty bad. It's not even a Mafia role so much as a lame third-party generic Traitor. wgeurts did a pretty solid job with it, though, what with the Jester claim and then correctly targeting Plotinus Night 1. I chose to let the recruitment resolve after Plotinus was killed so he wouldn't go from being a Mafia Survivor with a kill and a recruit to a Mafia Survivor with a kill and no recruit. And then he decided to get modkilled on diacritics. Seriously, was anyone wondering what would happen there?

For the record, the cats in the game were Plotinus, diginova, and Lady Lambdadelta.


Spoiler: NEUTRAL A ~ Miss Marple, as played by Klingoncelt
Klingoncelt's submission:
*Neutral
*Miss Marple
*Bastardry: 7
*Complexity: 900

UshiromiyaAnge wrote:
~Klingoncelt~


Per your request, you are
Miss Marple
, a
Neutral Person With Access to the Dead Thread And Its Related Mod-Given Spoilers
. I'm not sure whether you made my life hardest by choosing a detective, choosing not to be Town, or choosing 900 complexity, but you're gonna get what you asked for. These are your abilities.

(A!)
The Witch's New Game
- Every 24 hours, you may submit a statement to the moderator via PM. The moderator will then respond to your statement with red truth (i.e. a guaranteed-to-be-factual statement) that will either support or deny your statement. The moderator may, at their discretion, refuse to answer your statement altogether. (For instance, don't expect an answer about the alignments of living players.) This ability is completely outside normal resolution, cannot be prevented by outside means, and targets no one.

You win if you are able to identify the role names and alignments of every player in the game, and identify who targeted whom for each ability other than yours that has resolved so far during the game. (For instance, this Role PM would suggest that you are Miss Marple and neutrally aligned.) In addition, at least one player must have died. You may submit one guess every 24 hours instead of using your ability. In the event that you fulfill this Win Condition, the game will end and you will be the sole winner.

Confirm by responding with your role name. Please enjoy your battle of wits with people who don't know they're playing your game to the fullest.
Mod notes:
*This role has "nothing could POSSIBLY go wrong" written all over it.
*If abilities are redirected, this role only has to indicate who finally used the ability and on whom it finally resolved.
*The answer to "doesn't it say I have access to the Dead Thread?" is "I don't understand the question."


This role and this ability are stupidly overpowered. In capable hands it could completely ruin the game by pinning everyone down in their lies. To make up for it, the Win Condition is also really difficult. As the game goes on, it gets a bit easier, but yeah, this was not intended to be easy to win with (nor was anyone else's Win Condition, to be honest).

It does require the player to be willing and ready to actively play with the ability, though. This appeared to be completely lost on the player who got the role, who tried asking a few questions about who massive's role could be, and then completely giving up once dead thread access wasn't forthcoming. (It turns out that for the most part you don't need to try guessing what everyone's role and alignment is; the mod flips them for you.)

Claiming exclusive-winner neutral was also a bad idea but he didn't get lynched for it for some reason, so etc.


Spoiler: NEUTRAL B ~ The Doctor, as played by Maruchan
Maruchan's submission:
*Neutral
*The Doctor
*Bastardry: 10
*Complexity: 5

UshiromiyaAnge wrote:
~Maruchan~


Per your request, you are
The Doctor
,
Neutral Whimsical Time Lord
. Once *again*, Sexy locked and vanished the instant you stepped outside, and this ain't Vegas, baby. It looks like you'll have to survive this bizarrely novel environment that looks suspiciously like modern England until you
deus ex
your way out of this one. At least you get these abilities:

(P)
Two Hearts
- This will stop the first kill that would affect you each Night.
(A)
Sonic Screwdriver
- It lights up, it whirs, it does… just about everything! During each Night, target player with this and something cool will happen! (You may not use two (A) abilities during the same phase.)
(A)
Regeneration
- During each Night, target player with this. If they would die that Night, instead they will not die and any actions they may take become unblockable. You can only successfully use this so many times, though, and each time you do successfully use this, you will receive a message from the moderator with further instructions. (You may not use two (A) abilities during the same phase.)

You win and leave the game when any one of the following occurs:
*You come into the possession of the TARDIS key and locate the TARDIS (the means by which you do both of these may become apparent during the game).
*You defeat a bizarre monster-of-the-week and then save humanity.
*You become ginger.

Confirm by responding with your role name. I wish you the best of luck. Actually, I wish everyone else the best of luck, because there's
one thing
you don't put into a trap...
Mod note: Actually, he's a Doctor. No matter who he targets, that's it.

The only Win Condition he has that is actually functional is that he must save a person from death after Groot dies.


Maruchan's enthusiasm for this role broke my heart. I do want to run an Overpowered Role Mafia where this could be a real role with none of the lies, but... that would require me to want to do anything with Mafia again.

The three Win Conditions should contrast with the Groot role (see below) because at least they can potentially make sense later on, if you catch on to what they mean. Maruchan's direct approach to victory - simply asking the player list at large - didn't quite work.

This role was intended to get a savvy player to get rid of the bloody Groot role. That was presumptuous on my part.


Spoiler: NEUTRAL C ~ Groot, as played by Nachomamma8
Nachomamma8's submission:
*Neutral
*Groot
*Bastardry: 5
*Complexity: 1

UshiromiyaAnge wrote:
~Nachomamma8~


You are
Groot
.

(P)
You are Groot.


(P)
You are Groot.


(A)
We are Groot.


We are Groot.

Look, I don't even get what you were asking for here. Your vocabulistics are limited to "I" and "Am" and "Groot", exclusively in that order.

Confirm by saying… well… you know. Let's just get this over with.
Mod notes:
(A) During each Night, target player to redirect one killing action from them to you.
(P) Players who target you at Night are informed that you are Groot.
(P) If and only if you die at Night, three phases after you die, you will be reincarnated.
(W) You win if you save two players other than yourself from death with your ability.


This was one of the roles that was already made when I came into the design room. I hated it at first sight, never stopped hating it, desperately tried to get it switched out but ran out of room to negotiate, and even now I want to apologize to Nacho for wasting like a month and a week of his life.
Players should always have an idea of how they win
, and not knowing that made the role worse than useless.

Even so, the Win Condition was basically impossible to fulfill since massive didn't shoot and Mafia B went out early. I didn't think of it at the time, but being an unstated Lynchee was pretty cool too.

Nacho was never intended to be post-restricted.


Spoiler: NEUTRAL D ~ Skull Kid, as played by Oversoul... and Lady Lambdadelta, as played by Lady Lambdadelta
Oversoul's submission:
*Neutral
*Skull Kid
*Bastardry: 8
*Complexity: 1

UshiromiyaAnge wrote:
~Oversoul~


Per your request, you are the
Skull Kid
, a
Relatively Amoral Childlike Forest Monster
. The choice of high bastardry but low complexity was interesting. Well, I suppose that there is that trope where super-bastard games always have a Vanilla Townie, or even an "inadvertent" Vanilla Townie. Were you aiming for that?

There are no vanilla Townies in this game!
To clarify, this includes those explicitly without abilities as well as those that have abilities without any ingame effect!
This is also inclusive of roles that are only given information in their Role PM!


*cackle**cackle*, do you like it? I've saved a very special role for you. You will accept it gracefully.

(P)
Look What I Found!
- You are in possession of an ancient torture mask. Now it is in possession of you. Funny how that works. This has the following results:
*You will occasionally receive a message from Lady Lambdadelta through the moderator.
*While you may post whatever you like within the rules, you may not cast any votes except as Lady Lambdadelta dictates.
*You may, at any time, send the moderator a message. This will in turn be sent to Lady Lambdadelta. This does not count as a targeting action.
*In the event that Lady Lambdadelta leaves the game, you will be informed of as much and this ability will be voided.

(A)
Scream
- During each Night, target player to cause them to start the next Day with a vote from Lady Lambdadelta against them. (You may not use two (A) abilities during the same phase.)

You win when any one of the following occurs:
*Lady Lambdadelta wins.
*Your removal from the game would cause the game to end (e.g. because another Win Condition would be satisfied).
*Lady Lambdadelta has left the game, and you stop the moon from falling, at which time you will be removed from the game.

Confirm by responding with your role name. I, as well as Lady Lambdadelta, wish you the best of luck.
Mod notes:
*Uh, you realize that "Lady Lambdadelta" refers to the
scummer
, as in the moderator, right? Not the role in the game.
*Breaking the post restriction will cause a rules infraction and cause the vote to be voided. I really don't care if this is provable.
*Uh, what moon? Where is it falling? Tarhalindur and Reckamonic passed through here YEARS ago.


I don't think I voided the vote when he broke his post restriction. Well, whichever.

I designed this role upon seeing that he wanted a complexity of 1 based on the concept of him not needing to do much with his vote at all - how not-complex is that? I don't think I ever noticed that Nacho had also requested a complexity of 1, partly because his role came pre-designed.

Lady Lambdadelta's Win Condition was pretty impractical, so I threw in the Survivor Win Condition (which Oversoul misinterpreted to his extreme detriment in endgame). The third Win Condition was only there because I like Majora's Mask and decided to keep to the aesthetic Rule of Three.

~Lady Lambdadelta~


Good evening. I earnestly hope this game does not bore you. I, too, look forward to seeing how this set of pieces moves. Autonomous games are fun once in a while as well.

You are a
Witch of Certainty
. The trouble with this game is that you don't have all the control you might want, but that's okay - you have one piece that's tailored j-u-s-t for you! It's really the best. You didn't even threaten them with a modkill if they don't comply! Those words just ~showed up~ in their Role PM! Must have been the co-mod.

Oh right, you have a goal in this game. May as well get to the fine print.

(A!)
The Voices In Their Head
- At the beginning of each phase, you may send
Skull Kid
(Oversoul) a message. You may not give any objective information about the game in these messages (don't throw your own game, obviously).
(A!)
Direct
- At any time, you may tell
Skull Kid
(Oversoul) to vote for a player. Oversoul may not vote for any other player on pain of a rules infraction, and may not vote without your direction.

You win if the game ends in a draw. More precisely, you win if no players fulfill Win Conditions that require their faction to be only group in the game OR state that they would end the game are fulfilled.

You don't need to confirm, but if you don't keep up with the game, I'm going to step in. And remember. Serial killer cat. Your face. While you sleep.

But best of luck!~
The fact that Lady Lambdadelta could only send a message once per phase while Oversoul could send messages at any time was really dumb. I think at some point I actually intended that to happen for balance reasons, but it was really dumb and the net result was demoralizing Oversoul.

The Win Condition is indeed impractical but a considerable possibility in a game where
everyone's
Win Condition was impractically difficult.

After UshiromiyaAnge got lynched, LLD decided that her role would not leave the game as a result. It's good to be the mod.


Spoiler: NEUTRAL E ~ The Fool, as played by Skold
Skold's submission:
*Neutral
*The Fool
*Bastardry: 7
*Complexity: 3

UshiromiyaAnge wrote:
~Skold~


Per your request, you are
The Fool
, the
Neutral Void Nexus
. This is just
asking
for some kind of condescending punch line. Since I don't know you well as a scummer, I'll assume you have the brilliance of these game show contestants.

Now while you watch the best episode of a bad game show, I'll explain your abilities.

(P)
II - The High Priestess
- In all communication from the moderator, you will be referred to as "miss". The only exception is your name at the top of this Role PM.
(P)
XIV - Temperance
- Non-killing actions that target you will be reflexively Roleblocked.
(A)
XIII - Death
- During each Night, target player to redirect any actions they take to you. (You may not use two (A) abilities during the same phase.)
(A)
XVI - The Tower
- Once during the game, during the Night, target self to redirect all Night actions to yourself. (This ability cannot be Roleblocked.) (You may not use two (A) abilities during the same phase.)

You win if you survive the phase after which you prevent ten actions from resolving, OR if your removal from the game would cause the Town to win.

Confirm by responding with your role name. I wish you the best of being a jerk, miss.
Mod note: "miss" is a blatant reference to the scummer Nexus.


In retrospect, the "miss" bit was trolling on my part that was probably unwarranted. If someone figured it out, it wouldn't have been good - no one willingly targets a nexus.

This role was cool but thoroughly impractical. There's no chance it would have won this game, not after people stopped taking actions.




The story of the setup is basically what I said in the opening post. I was visiting Grey and LLD and GreyICE was talking about his game that was coming up, and his plans to make MewThree a super-stealth deep-cover alt (he was also excited about that slot's previous submission, Jon Snow, because that would let him give out a PM that merely said
You know nothing, Jon Snow.
) I thought the idea was fun and asked to be kept in the loop.

Some number of days after I got back from the trip, the link to the design document came up via Skype. However, at that time I was in the process of being wracked with despair (upupupu) and didn't even click it, feeling no obligation to do so. A few weeks went by and an indignant LLD was asking why I wasn't helping. While I didn't actually say I would help, I decided to assume I did. The design doc had sketches of five or six roles, and by that time over a month had passed since the game finished signups. So, I threw the setup together in five after-work nights. It shows. I didn't try to design with any thought of who was going to get which role (a dumb idea) and even if I had, I was not told anything beyond what has already been posted (particularly w.r.t. Jeanne11 and Plotinus). In addition, I never actually saw GreyICE's post in the sign-up thread until it was posted here on Day 1, so any promises Grey made were not kept. I did not confirm that this setup followed the original guidelines for that reason - everyone got what they originally asked for.

Some advice from the mod side...
*"Bastard" is not an unqualified good thing. It's usually a bad thing ("bastard game" is actually a regular expression, "ba*d game"). So, be careful what you wish for.
*If you wind up in a bastard game, you should expect to get lied to, you should expect that things will be more difficult than they look at face value, and you should ask a LOT of questions. Plotinus asked a bunch of questions about her role and managed to get it to work even more broadly than I anticipated. MewThree essentially checked himself before he wrecked himself. Most of the rest of the players, particularly the neutrals except for Oversoul, did no such thing. As a moderator, I want the game to be confusing, but not because you don't have any idea what to do. It's no good to have a game where people have no idea how to play, but the explanation for what's going on probably isn't going to get handed to you if you do nothing to pursue it.
*If you wind up in a bastard game, you should assume that rules are there for a reason and follow those suckers.
*
Everything spoken in red is the truth!
If in doubt, try asking the moderator innocent things and see if that clears things up about how the game works and what information you can trust, at least.

Anyway, I hope everyone had fun at some point or another. Thank you all for playing and particularly for sticking with the game after it took so long to get started.
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Post Post #896 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2015 4:17 pm

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There's no way I would have been able to get everyone's info. I didn't have a snowball's chance of winning.

But the game was interesting and fun despite the frustration.

I would suggest shorter Night phases.

GG, everyone!
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Post Post #897 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2015 4:40 pm

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tbf. I never would have connected the dots that monster and groot were the same thing, because I never would have hurt groot. groot is life.
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Post Post #898 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2015 4:55 pm

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A winner is me. I made a mistake the night before lylo. I should have not killed, leaving a 4 player place. At which point lynching klingon would have been nearly guaranteed and then I could have killed someone that night leaving a 1v1. Just an idea, but things worked out.

I put in a low level of bastard because as was mentioned bastard does not equal fun. There have been some really fucked up bastard games that I wouldn't say are particularly intellectually challenging or fun (which being 'hard' is a common misconception about what the term bastard means).

My bob the builder claim was alright, but that day deadline thing was also a mistake that should have gotten me lynched. I told the truth about that part of my role, which does not make sense as town, it should say, if it were town, "EXTEND the deadline by 72 hours" NOT "Change the deadline to 72 hours". I thought I would have gotten tested on it and it wouldn't have worked.

I was also sad that mew got offed, we had a good thing going and would have both been alive and would have probably won, he played well.

I also disliked the modding in this game. While I now realize that some of it was due to certain roles, and such a system was needed, I dislike the 3 strikes you are out. It makes trivial stuff that should not be treated at the same level as other things. But again, I doubt, or, rather, hope this system does not make an appearance in any game that does not have roles that create rules.
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Post Post #899 (ISO) » Fri Aug 14, 2015 4:57 pm

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I actually think something got messed up either on my end or the above posts end, I am pretty sure I wanted high complexity low bastard.
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