Micro 715: Friendly Neighbor 6 (Game Over)

[Aristophanes]

Good job guys!

[Alchemist21]

There you are!

VOTE: Ari

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Ari

[ThinkBig]

VOTE: Aristophanes

You're fired.

[Alchemist21]

I swear RC just watches games and waits for the after-game water cooler talk.

[Aristophanes]

But..I got a pagetop and everything!!!

[Transcend]

I swear RC just watches games and waits for the after-game water cooler talk.

Same

[RadiantCowbells]

Why, I would never!

[ThinkBig]

But..I got a pagetop and everything!!!

Yeah, but where's the vote count??

[Aristophanes]

Why, I would never!

VOTE: RC

Lurkerscum confirmed guys!

[RadiantCowbells]

1) I have been silenced the entire game so far so I couldn't post in thread. As the mod you would know this.
2) I don't lurk as scum. It's NAI at best and it's more likely a towntell.
3) Aristophanes is randomly jumping ship to me after never expressing a scumread on me in thread when he gets wagoned. He's obviously looking for an easy lynch.

Can we just lynch this scumfuck already jesus fuck.

[ThinkBig]

Lurkerscum confirmed guys!

VOTE: RC

Because we have never been the same alignment.

[Alchemist21]

I swear RC just watches games and waits for the after-game water cooler talk.

Same

This is getting out of hand. Now there are two of them!

[ThinkBig]

I swear RC just watches games and waits for the after-game water cooler talk.

Same

This is getting out of hand. Now there are two of them!

RC/Transcend scum team!

[Aristophanes]

But..I got a pagetop and everything!!!

Yeah, but where's the vote count??

There were no votes at the time of that post.

VC Endgame.1

Ari

(2): Alch 876, RC 877

RC

(2): Ari 844, TB 886

Not Voting

(?): ???

With ? Alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

[Aristophanes]

RC today, Transcend tomorrow!

RC is far scarier, though both can get out of a lynch really fucking well!

[RadiantCowbells]

Apparently not in RL mafia though, not even with the most confirmable role in the game o.O

[Alchemist21]

I gotta hear that story.

[RadiantCowbells]

I got lynched day 2 at kingsmeet as a day 4 strongman vig. the setup was insanely townsided but town still lost because town was being so bad.

[Aristophanes]

Apparently not in RL mafia though, not even with the most confirmable role in the game o.O

I got lynched day 2 at kingsmeet as a day 4 strongman vig. the setup was insanely townsided but town still lost because town was being so bad.

Do you know how shitty I felt that you got lynched?? It still aunts me

Then i got lynched as a N1-3 Commuter, N4 Suicide Bomber! Like, they didn't even let me fullclaim, nor did they care what I said!

It was really sad!

[Aristophanes]

We should do a Toronto Meet next year!
I'd say Hamilton, but like, this city is a little less fascinating to most.

Then we can rule the IRL mafia and vow to never lynch each other

[Something_Smart]

I underestimated a lot of things about you. Read the mafia PT, I acted under an assumption you were gonna be lynched D2. lol

I'm actually surprised you thought I would be quicklynched Day 2 after the wagon on me fell apart on Day 1. That's a common pattern with my town games; I'll get pressure early on and I'll either get lynched or beat it and be fairly townread for the rest of the game. Though more on that below.

Subject: Micro 715: Mafia Thread

Having just got out of a game and a half with Fire Screamer I'll say he seems to rely on voting patterns more than anything else. He'll try to work with people he Townread, but don't expect to go around buddying him all game because he doesn't hesitate to change his reads.

Just saw this and thought it was funny because it mostly applied to me this game as well, and you did try to buddy me by the end but it didn't work

You have no idea how happy I am about this.
GG though, you two played well and I was very close to voting BTD6 for a while there. I think you underestimated my capacity for paranoia though

What sealed the deal on Dany for you?

(that's such a tonguetwister I couldn't even type it right).

That's a really good question. My thought processes were so complex and rapidly changing that I never could have documented them in-thread, so I just about stopped when I became conftown. I'll try to recreate them the best I can:

At the start of the day I scumread BTD6 fairly heavily. I also had pings on you which I think you did know about; my vote on you briefly Day 1 and then the "little voice" comment Day 2. You were the only player who was playing what I thought was a normal game; everyone else was all over the place with a bunch of weird things. I did townread Vedith mostly because of Gamma, but I had forgotten most of the reasons I thought Gamma was town other than his claim.

After you and Dany both voted BTD6, I started furiously ISOing all possible teams (I had like 5 tabs open for a while, lol). There was just a mess of associations and since most of those ISOs included BTD6 I kept getting reminded of their scummy posts. I never ISO'd Gamma because I had essentially forgot about his contribution to the game. That led me to 782, which I'm sure made you guys feel good. The reason that I didn't hammer BTD6 there came from my gut; I knew that BTD6 is lynchbait a lot, some of Vedith's posts just didn't feel like scum tactics to me, and your posts still struck me as scum playing a solid game without any obvious flaws.

That caused me to reread the entire game, which I'm very happy I did. It reminded me of how towny Gamma was, and it also brought to light some nasty interactions between you and Dany. First of all, in your post detailing why you couldn't be partnered with anybody (which I'm also glad I asked for), you played up the amount of pressure you put on Dany for naked voting, and your argument there just seemed flimsy in general because the way you treated him was by no means a bad way for partners. (Also, when I asked you why he was town in a vacuum, you couldn't really give good reasons either.) You never really put much pressure on him at all, yet you made 501 which was very smart as it threw me off of Dany for a while. You also made 534 which was forced and never really went anywhere.

I also got the feeling that Vedith wouldn't have played the way he did as scum. As weird as a lot of the stuff he did was, he didn't show an agenda and the way he hard townread BTD6 out of the gate didn't strike me as a play he'd make as their partner. I also really liked on reread that (as he pointed out) he started the day scumreading me but immediately changed his mind. Made me feel like he didn't have a plan for LYLO, whereas you and Dany definitely did. Also, Vedith's arrogance was towny not because he thought he was going to win or because he was trying to manipulate me (although 826 would have been a REALLY low blow had he been scum) but because it felt like he genuinely thought he had solved the game and didn't feel the need to do any more. Which by the way Vedith you still should have as it would have made my job a lot easier. And you know, teamwork and all.

And the feeling that you two had a plan leads right into my last point. I'm sure you can see in my ISO that I was really freaked out about how I became universally townread. All 4 other players were on my wagon during Day 1, so I knew scum wanted me lynched then, so I asked myself, what changed and how did it change? And it was Dany and you who made the first moves in LYLO, so you were the ones who decided I would have hammer, and then you'd piled yourselves on BTD6 who had been my longtime vocal scumread, and it felt terribly like a setup.

All of this sealed the deal. I was scumreading BTD6 before my reread, and by the end of it I was fairly confident on you and Dany. (But still hella paranoid, especially since I really didn't want to lose to BTD6 and Vedith with his arrogance and insults.) And I was extremely stressed throughout the whole thing (I wasn't exaggerating about my heart racing); I bet I put way more effort and thought into this than most other people did, and probably more than I should have, but I'm very happy I did. You two did play well and you gave me a huge challenge that I almost failed to solve (and when I did, it was after a lot of agonizing decision).

Subject: Micro 715: Mafia Thread

Thank, TB.

RIP Dany. I thought about bussing instead of voting BTD but I thought I SS would vote BTD too.

So we've probably lost this game, which is the result we both said was likely to happen at the start of this game anyway but it's still disappointing. There's no good kill to make here. If I kill confTown SS then Vedith and BTD just instantly vote me anyway. If I kill Vedith, then Something_Smart will probably have a panic attack with me and BTD still being at lylo (poor guy's been through enough pressure today), but I think he's smart enough to realize the Vedith kill is the only kill I could make to have a chance of staying alive, and for BTD to have made a Vedith kill it would have to mean that BTD overthought the kill to try framing me rather than just keep Vedith who was already on his side.

Alchemist kills Vedith.

GG Town. I'm not going to concede because of the <1% chance I still win this, but if nothing else SS has at least earned the satisfaction that will come from putting both scum down.

I'm fine with ending Night early.

I appreciate this.
(Except for the panic attack part: I expected Vedith to die, and I was never going to reconsider that that point. I figured the odds of you and Vedith both misreading each other and Dany managing to bus his roleblocker like that were not high enough to be worth considering. Not to mention that you seemed like you had basically given up.)

Also @Vedith and BTD6, I apologize for saying you played poorly if town. Vedith, I'm still not happy about all the insults you made at me and Draynth, but at least you did have solid reads (and your vote on Dany almost certainly saved the game). It's tough with you BTD6 because your posts are so logical and reasoned that they sound fake (and I was even more paranoid about you after losing to you in 714), and I think that you made several questionable actions (including voting me just as my wagon was losing steam), but I think a lot of what I said was just because I really didn't want to lose to someone playing the way you do. The way you play makes it very easy for you to imitate your towngame as scum, which is evidenced by the fact that even you can't give a good explanation of the difference between the two. (On the other hand, if you had asked that question to me, I could probably have fired off at least a half-dozen things that I see that are different, which is one reason I get so frustrated when wagoned as town.)

[Something_Smart]

Oh I didn't mention this but I also thought that an Alchemist/Dany team would have had a much easier time of finding the JK than a Vedith/BTD6 team. I thought that both Alchemist and Draynth were PR possibilities (and Gamma had claimed VT which benefited you but wouldn't have benefited them), and I thought Night 2 that if Alchemist were town then there'd be a decent chance he'd die that night. Little did I know you guys had already known the JK from Night 1

[Something_Smart]

There was also the fact that both Alchemist and Dany immediately townread Gamma for his claim but BTD6 didn't. Townreading Gamma was a very easy stance to take as scum, whereas I'd think that if BTD6 and Gamma were scum BTD6 would have tried to townread Gamma for doing something that would have been clearly a gambit for towncred.

[Something_Smart]

Well done, Town.

SS, do you think scum here were similar to myself in 714? It seemed that scum were again trying to play a Townie against another, but this time you had learned from it.

I think the scum strategies were pretty similar, but I think there were two important differences: first of all, I was confirmed town in this game and could use whatever tools I wanted to try to sort players without fear of what happened in 714. Second of all, one scum was already flipped in that game so I mostly just gave up trying to read you and tried to read Draynth, whereas here I could read you indirectly by reading Vedith/Gamma. But I do think I saw through scum's tactics better in this game as well.