In post 895, solidstate wrote:That said, people reacting the way they did was childish and I hope this goes down as my worst game here. Annoying players are annoying, but it seems like a lot of people got butthurt and ruined the game for it. That includes bork, who simply decided he wasn't playing because he was getting wagoned incorrectly. I mean, shit, a mislynch in mafia? How fucking UNHEARD OF
and it includes the people who just decided they were going to leave because they didn't like one player.
This is pretty much spot on. And you're right in that this will
probably
be one of your worst games here. It's definitely among the worst I've had the misfortune to participate in. And not because of the fighting/bitterness... mostly just because of the flaking/lurking/modfail.
In post 895, solidstate wrote:However, I take some pleasure in that my final 'Lynch all the people screaming about the bork wagon' would have in fact caught Mcstab. I was pretty just that there would be at least one scum amidst the screaming, ranting hordes. A lot of the purpose of simply picking a wagon and strongly pushing was to see what would rattle loose.
You're going to be a good player. I can tell. I look forward to playing with you again.
And now, a semi-necessary explanation for how I played in this game:
Bork was one of the players that I was having the hardest time reading. Therefore I put him under an immense amount of pressure and disregarded reason or logic in order to make him frustrated enough to reveal his alignment via his frustration. That's somewhat the way I do things, when I can't read someone well. It annoys some people, but I'm happy with the method's overall success rate. Making people react emotionally and shoving them out of their comfort zones is sometimes the only way to reveal the true alignment of well-spoken and skilled players like borkjerfkin is. I regret nothing.
I almost shot bork Night 1 instead of triangle. But I thought about it a little longer after I had submitted the initial kill, and figured that if bork was scum, he could be dealt with a later. I wanted to see his response to my slot after Code X replaced out, and he
was
acting pretty scummy, so I decided it was worth pushing on him loudly and vocally to see who else would hop on with very little reasoning from myself. Unfortunately for me, solidstate also made an
actual
case against bork, so I couldn't really gather reactions the way I hoped I could.
Another common tactic I use is to buddy up to people I think might be scum, call them town, and ride on that for a while to see if they try to take advantage of it in a scummy way, or attach and cling on to me and basically grab onto my ankles and try to have me pull them through the day. Krazy wasn't doing this too much, so props to him. My suspicion level of him was lower than my suspicion level of bork for most of the game. He played pretty well for the most part... but seriously though?
But going back to the "buddying up to scum" thing, of course the reverse of that is to pick fights with people I think are townies, and rub them the wrong way, and not just to see how they react, but also (more importantly) to see how others around them react. Sometimes this involves voting them, sometimes it involves telling them they're scum for obviously terrible reasons, and sitting on their wagon, etc. For instance, Whiskers. Sitting on a Whiskers wagon got pretty boring pretty quick though. Mostly because there weren't enough players in the game to help create any kind of a wagon... but that's not my fault, etc.
Another thing I like to do is to pit scum teams against each other in any way possible, because that's just how town wins multi-scum games. Get the scum to kill each other. Self explanatory.
I semi-wish I had been around to stop the seilkops lynch, he was pretty obvious town by page 10 or so, and extremely obvious by page 15. I had only read up to page 6 or so before he was lynched. There was no point railing on the people who did lynch him and calling them idiots for it, because what's done is done and as far as a game this large goes, if someone's acting like seilkops is, and is being that huge of a distraction, then should probably get rid of them sooner or later. So, a part of me is glad he was lynched. In a way. No offense, seil.
In post 901, solidstate wrote:Handling it via threats, coercion, and game hostage-holding was not the appropriate methodology. But if nothing else, this game and the aftermath is teaching me a lot about the people on this site and who is more interested in dickwaving than actually playing the game. I have no clue who redFF is or why you're posting, but you're putting yourself on the wrong side of things here attacking me.
redFF is a bit of a troll. He likes to take every jab he can at me, because I put him on my modding blacklist for doing a terrible job modding one of my first games here. Hence the "but shit mod, amirite" comment. It's mostly OMGUS, but oh well... not much I can do about that.
Anyway, pay him no mind; he's not saying anything about you -- he was trying to come in and pick a fight with me. Not that it'll do much good, but I guess it makes him feel good to try and vindicate himself.
In post 898, McStab wrote:It was evident at some point in the game that at least three players couldn't stand UberNinja to the point of replacing out. Regardless of whether UberNinja warranted replacing (I don't think personally he did) it ought to be possible to get someone replaced if the majority of the active players in the game want it to the point where they'll replace out. Especially considering that Whiskers, Bork and Hyperion have played in and completed a handful of other games and to my knowledge have had no disciplinary problems, whereas UN is currently serving a one week ban. It's a no-brainer to me that instead of losing those three UN ought to have been force replaced.
No. I am a player with a controversial play style but that doesn't mean I should be force replaced. I am a vig who correctly shot one of the two most dangerous scum players in the game. You'll have a hard time finding a mod that will replace a player that manages to pull that off, regardless of play style. And the fact that I was being quite polite, relative to some of my games in the past, is also a point in my favor. It might also have to do with the fact that Kcdaspot and I are bros. -shrug-
As for the week long ban I am currently serving from the discussion forums, it is for "persistent harassment" of a scummer named Ythan. To contest my ban, I have asked for evidence of the harassment, and I have received nothing in return. But I've taken the liberty of finding some. Here are some of the places where I evidently "harassed" him.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=23377 (my GTKAS thread)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p4346684 (Scummies thread)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p4303730 (in Mafia Discussion)
If that's ban-worthy, then hey, I'll take the ban any day of the week. Some things just need to be said, and I don't think I was out of line at all. It's a damn sight less offensive than some of the other things people post here on a regular, day-to-day basis. But most of my aggressiveness in games is an act. I'm really a pretty laid back guy and I love people. I love people a lot.
Sooo... I am not altogether unapologetic... I just think the haters are overreacting. It's definitely not my fault this game was abandoned by either the players or the mod. That was mostly due to the players who decided to stop posting to the extent that there was nobody else to focus my scumhunting on than bork at the time. Speaknig of which, I'm more sorry to bork than anyone else. I'm not sorry at all to Whiskers. Lol, what a self-righteous attitude that one has. At least I have the decency to admit after the game that my in-game bravado is exactly that. In-game bravado.
When I signed on a little while ago, I received a PM from someone relevant in this game which states that my behavior was not out of line in this game. I then came here to find that the game had been abandoned. I'll post the text of the PM if I get permission from its author.
p-edit: I also literally
just
received another private message stating the following:
I think you are a really really cool guy that makes the site whole lot more enjoyable when I'm around you
Since that person was still online, I just requested and received permission to post this much of the PM.
So anyway, if you were having any doubts that what I'm saying is true... well... you know...
If you're town, don't act so scummy, and I won't treat you like scum!
<3 to everyone (especially triangle)
