Mystery Mafia 2- Game Over! But who won!?

[Korts]

To Lawrence, with <3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bookmaker

Love,

Your iddle Korts

[bionicchop2]

The list from the no-kill night and how it oculd have happened:

1)Lawrence is scum: too drunk to make the kill
2)I protected a kill on TM
3)Farside protected a kill on litral

4)Fonz block TM-scum

Updated:

1)Lawrence is scum: too drunk to make the kill
2)I protected a kill on TM

3)Farside protected a kill on litral

4)Fonz block TM-scum

So either I protected a kill on TM, or lawrence is scum and was too drunk to kill.

I thought I would let you know that actually do not have protective powers. I could not have protected TM from a kill. So the only option is lawrencelot is lying scumbag.

I am not convinced it is this simple anymore. I am not completely against a lawrence lynch because if he is telling the truth he can gain a 2nd lynch (and if lying, we get scum obviously), but I kind of believe his claim.

I think this post by farside might reveal a little bit:

Okay I looked into what bugged me and I was wrong. I would like to hear from those who haven't posted since entering the game there thoughts on what and who. BM seems to have 1 or 2 scums in each new installment of people and No I am not going to say "Oh there was only one kill" that just could mean a forgetful scum or someone trying not to get caught.

The last sentence seems like she may have intentionally not turned in a kill. I think she was also trying to get focus off of those who joined day 3 since she knew it would eventually lead to her being found. I can't figure out if she had a partner who joined with her though.

My focus on D3 joiners was because it was clear someone who joined that day was stabbing. A mafia player from that day was found. I am not sure we should remain limited to those players now and ignore those who joined day 6 (and 3 of which are not posting - Surye, korlash and K7). We also have Landlord who we eventually need to decide if his living is detrimental to the town.

[elvis_knits]

I think this post by farside might reveal a little bit:

Okay I looked into what bugged me and I was wrong. I would like to hear from those who haven't posted since entering the game there thoughts on what and who. BM seems to have 1 or 2 scums in each new installment of people and No I am not going to say "Oh there was only one kill" that just could mean a forgetful scum or someone trying not to get caught.

The last sentence seems like she may have intentionally not turned in a kill.

If she actually did forget to send in the kill or choose not to, why breadcrumb it?

If she's scum and chose not to kill, she WANTS us to think mafia was active so that we keep following the results of the hypoclaim. She wouldn't want us to give up on the hypoclaim.

[elvis_knits]

You didn't update the newest theory, that you were too drunk to make the kill. I'd vote you but see below.

I don't think that theory makes much sense even if you're not me (and I know that the wine didn't have an effect).

Now that farside is dead, is it not possible she normally killed but couldn't because of the drinks? What did she drink anyway? And what the heck is a bookie?

Farside got a shotgun, but no drinks, I think.

[bionicchop2]

If she actually did forget to send in the kill or choose not to, why breadcrumb it?

If she's scum and chose not to kill, she WANTS us to think mafia was active so that we keep following the results of the hypoclaim. She wouldn't want us to give up on the hypoclaim.

I don't think it was intentional (I also don't think she forgot). I think she was doing a 'look over there' type thing and subconsciously may have slipped about not killing.

It is also possible I am over-thinking a little bit.

[Korlash]

Updated:

1)Lawrence is scum: too drunk to make the kill
2)I protected a kill on TM
3)Farside protected a kill on litral
4)Fonz block TM-scum

So either I protected a kill on TM, or lawrence is scum and was too drunk to kill.

I thought I would let you know that actually do not have protective powers. I could not have protected TM from a kill. So the only option is lawrencelot is lying scumbag.

The last sentence seems like she may have intentionally not turned in a kill. I think she was also trying to get focus off of those who joined day 3 since she knew it would eventually lead to her being found. I can't figure out if she had a partner who joined with her though.

What are you talking about? She couldn't get the focus off if she tried. The stabber HAD to be in day 3 joins... And as that was the only killer we knew of we would not have abandoned it for anything less then undeniable guilt.

(and 3 of which are not posting - Surye, korlash and K7)

I think I'm posting just fine... Now K7 on the other hand... (although he always does that)



Or Far-Side lied...

Or you had delayed Drunkness... (aka. Hangover maybe?)

Now that farside is dead, is it not possible she normally killed but couldn't because of the drinks? What did she drink anyway? And what the heck is a bookie?

She bought a shotgun... I don't see how that would interphere with the kill... but you never know with BM... <.<

[bionicchop2]

(and 3 of which are not posting - Surye, korlash and K7)

I think I'm posting just fine... Now K7 on the other hand... (although he always does that)

I wasn't intentionally calling you out or pointing to you. I would agree - in most games your posting would be fine. This game I think calls for posting above the normal due to the varying deadlines.

[Battle Mage]

Vote Count

Lawrencelot 3 (Landlord, Elvis Knits, Forbiddanlight)

Not Voting: Korlash, Surye, BionicChop, Killa Seven, Lawrencelot, Korts

With 9 alive, 5 votes will lynch. You have 2 days, 14 hours, and 45 minutes to make a decision.

BM

[bionicchop2]

You have 2 days, 14 hours, and 45 minutes to make a decision.

With this in mind, I am not going to start a new scum hunt off on some tangent. I think I agree at this point to follow through on the lynch of Lawrence. For some reason I though we had a fresh seven days. I don't think we should 'vote' on who (if he is a copy cat) he lynches as a result of his role. While we definitely should express who we are suspicious of, I think he should be allowed to decide on his own. This will prevent scum from having an influence over who he lynches.

vote: lawrencelot

[Korlash]

I think if we are going to lynch him we need to decide on who he then lynches as well.

In my mind I think he should take out another from D3. Farside was scum yes, But I'm not convinsed she is good for the stabbings. Being a bookie makes me think she had some power, so if two scum entered day 3 then maye the other stabbed.

The downside to this would be, why the no kill then? If two scum why would one being incapacitated mean neither could kill?

Also I would think Farside the most logical choice for Litral's death, thus the stabbing victim is still unacounted for.

Another thought, did BM ever specify why each person was given how much coin they were? Becuase if both Farside and lawrence were given 12 and the rest were given less then that... it sounds... unfair...

[elvis_knits]

Maybe the amount of coins had something to do with the bookie. I mean, bookies handle money and stuff.

[Lawrencelot]

Looking back at farside's drinking thing, it was indeed a shotgun, and this was her explanation:

I have a shot gun but no ammunition. It's the equivalent of a big stick with nothing.

If she was scum telling the truth (that's not that rare) it could mean she couldn't kill anymore because she tried a shotgun but found out too late that there was no ammunation or something. This is a flavor explanation for: yes the item she bought prevented her from killing someone. Seeing as my power can be pretty powerful, I think it's not that unlikely that scum can normally kill and use a power at the same time. I also find this more likely than elvis's delayed wine effect.

Meh,

Unvote; Vote Killa seven

. If you don't know who to lynch, always lynch killa seven . Come on people, my power can help the town a lot, but not when I'm dead! And letting me choose who to take down with me won't help the town much, as I have no clue who's scum, besides the dead scum. I'd even rather no lynch.

[Surye]

Also, I'm at L-2 now. Don't hammer, there's enough to discuss still. Like, who I should target. Somehow, I don't feel like killing Elvis, she makes too much sense even though she's wrong about me.

I felt pretty comfortable with a Law lynch up until I read this. Then I was convinced. Law-Town should have seen solid logic with a bad conclusion as intentional misinformation and town-misleading. Instead he buddies up. I don't think it matter who we have him target, because I think he's lying, but it he isn't, I'm not sure of the best pick, I'll look around.

[Lawrencelot]

What do you think about my latest explanation for the no kill? If I'm missing something, and farside wasn't the cause of the no kill, then I will just assume Elvis was responsible for it.

What she does doesn't need to be town-misleading. If I was in her shoes and wasn't the cause of the no kill, I would do exactly the same she's doing.

[Surye]

What do you think about my latest explanation for the no kill? If I'm missing something, and farside wasn't the cause of the no kill, then I will just assume Elvis was responsible for it.

What she does doesn't need to be town-misleading. If I was in her shoes and wasn't the cause of the no kill, I would do exactly the same she's doing.

Blaming it on dead scum is convenient. How could you ever know farside wasn't the cause of the no kill? You couldn't really, so you'll never assume Elvis. The implicit trust of someone when they are damning you seems like an extreme buddying up. At least how I'm seeing it.

[Korlash]

If she was scum telling the truth (that's not that rare) it could mean she couldn't kill anymore because she tried a shotgun but found out too late that there was no ammunation or something. This is a flavor explanation for: yes the item she bought prevented her from killing someone. Seeing as my power can be pretty powerful, I think it's not that unlikely that scum can normally kill and use a power at the same time. I also find this more likely than elvis's delayed wine effect.

I find them about equal likelyness actually. Did you ever "choose" to drink the rum? Did Elvis "choose" to drink the wine? Then why ould Farside have to "Choose" to use the shotgun only to find it useless? Did Forbidden have to "use" the mug before the mod told her she could kill with it?

It would be my understanding that Farside would have been told how useless the shotgun was the same time Forbidden was told she could day-vig someone. (Also, why did no one think to day vig landlord?)

Meh, Unvote; Vote Killa seven. If you don't know who to lynch, always lynch killa seven Razz. Come on people, my power can help the town a lot, but not when I'm dead! And letting me choose who to take down with me won't help the town much, as I have no clue who's scum, besides the dead scum. I'd even rather no lynch.

That's why you take out who we want. Like a vig, even if you hit town, by taking out the most suspect you help the rest of us. That is a LOT better then a no lynch.

[elvis_knits]

Also, I'm at L-2 now. Don't hammer, there's enough to discuss still. Like, who I should target. Somehow, I don't feel like killing Elvis, she makes too much sense even though she's wrong about me.

I felt pretty comfortable with a Law lynch up until I read this. Then I was convinced. Law-Town should have seen solid logic with a bad conclusion as intentional misinformation and town-misleading. Instead he buddies up. I don't think it matter who we have him target, because I think he's lying, but it he isn't, I'm not sure of the best pick, I'll look around.

I also thought it was weird that lawrence didn't want to kill me. Barring some weird game mechanics (which is possible with BM), then either him or me is scum. So yeah, if he's town I would expect to get killed.

[elvis_knits]

I didn't choose to drink my wine, BTW. I was told that I drank it... it wasn't a choice.

[bionicchop2]

I also thought it was weird that lawrence didn't want to kill me. Barring some weird game mechanics (which is possible with BM), then either him or me is scum. So yeah, if he's town I would expect to get killed.

Could you outline the logic which brought this about, because I don't quite follow it.

If we assume farside was not the only killer who joined d3, then the other(s) would be found in you, Lawrence and Forbidden. Why did you narrow it down to just you or lawrence while excluding Forbidden? You also seem to be 100% sure one of you two are scum. In reality there may be no more killers from day 3.

I would just like to know your reasoning on this.

unvote lawrence; vote elvis

. I can switch back to Lawrence if deadline creeps up and nobody is changing, but I really have an odd feeling about this statement from Elvis.

[elvis_knits]

What are you talking about? After N5 where we had no deaths, we did a hypoclaim. The only two possibilities left are that lawrence was too drunk to make the kill or that I protected TM. I'm telling you that my night action (if I have one) could not have protected TM from a kill.

If Lawrence were town, he would think I was scum, so he would want to kill me. The fact that he doesn't want to kill me is weird. Is it buddying, I don't know. I tend to think that he's just not thinking like a townie who would think I was scum if he's not.

[bionicchop2]

I don't know where you get your logic.

Possible no kills from hypo claim:

Tony ---> Lawrence

Forbidden ---> MafiaSSK

Farside ----> Litral

Elvis ----> Tony

(you have claimed to have no saving abilities)

Lawrence ---->Landlord

Fonz ----> TM

Litral ----> farside

MafiaSSK ----> no one

Only Forbidden saving SSK is left.

If we look at it from a drunken standpoint, only Lawrence is possible as too drunk to not kill from those who joined day 3.

Therefor, if Lawrence is not a killer, either farside acted alone or you / forbidden are scum. My question is why you eliminated forbidden from the possibilities?

[elvis_knits]

I didn't think it likely that scum would want to kill SSK. He was almost lynched the day before if not for deadline. He was lynched the next day. The town wanted to lynch him.

1)Why would a doc protect SSK?
2)Why would scum need to kill him?

[bionicchop2]

I didn't think it likely that scum would want to kill SSK. He was almost lynched the day before if not for deadline. He was lynched the next day. The town wanted to lynch him.

1)Why would a doc protect SSK?
2)Why would scum need to kill him?

What would either of your 2 questions have to do with Forbidden possibly being scum? If you are missing my original point, why would / should Lawrence assume you are scum if he is not? If he is not scum, there are many possibilities on who else is.

[elvis_knits]

What are these many possibilities? Other than Forbiddan protecting SSK, what are the other possibilities?

[bionicchop2]

What are these many possibilities? Other than Forbiddan protecting SSK, what are the other possibilities?

You are focusing on the no kill (you are also forgetting that landlord did a EBWOP to say he targeted everybody). If it was not a result of Lawrence being drunk, then it could have been anything from Farside not killing intentionally to a mod inflicted no kill meaning the no kill is no longer a source of information. This means that Lawrence would have no idea who scum would be (if town) and have no reason to automatically assume it is you. Nothing in what you have said makes Forbidden not scum.