Weird Dreams Mafia I [Gone]

[DragonEater70]

Yeah I've been writing this post for a long time so the first sentence is actually in reference to #913

[DragonEater70]

Also I'm fine with limming Fenrir as well if you guys are down for it.

[DragonEater70]

Also overall tone of posts (for example, 66, 273) just doesn't feel the same as in 2113 where they were very actively scumhunting. This game they are barely scumreading anyone.

EBWOP: Newbie 2113, that is.

[Gimli]

Sorry Flea, I don't know why I got your hopes up (or maybe I do? )

Anyway since the discussion doesn't seem to be going anywhere and since nobody seems very interested in a Fenrir lim, and nobody is voting Clone either, I might as well go ahead and make a case for scum Empath.

I did an ISO of them and this is what I came up with:
Their posts feel kinda fake, like theatre, you know? Like,
#84 - you townreading me and BR? Surprised Pikachu face (When they townread BR just a few posts back, mind you).
Then, 123, 125, 127, 129, 241, - Engagement with, vote and subsequent unvote on Enchant, all feel like theatre
136 - "Kyoko might be pocketing Eater", is sooo random and I don't like it.
Questioning whether or not my vote was RVS multiple times was also weird but not necessarily AI. However in context it strengthens my feeling of their posts sounding fake.

Also overall tone of posts (for example, 66, 273) just doesn't feel the same as in 2113 where they were very actively scumhunting. This game they are barely scumreading anyone.
And then there is the thing of them only casting 3 serious votes, two of which being a somewhat scummy wagonning of a wagon that I started (check out Mastin's "butter zone" scum tell). Then voting Gimli with no explanation (yes they have them as a scumlean in the D1 readlist, but the scumlean isn't explained at all).

Another point is that the readlist itself just feels empty of content? Like I honestly don't know what it's trying to achieve, except maybe an excuse to push DD who was being pushed at the time Empath posted the readlist.

VOTE: Empath

136 is really bad yes

VOTE: empathice

im sold

[Gimli]

I was starting to sus empath last night but forgot all about him

glad you spotted all of these scummy things DE, great job

[Gimli]

clone/std/empathice

of course, thats too easy. but I think we should clear those slots now.

[Gimli]

another reason for flipping std: we'd be flipping the scummiest slot inside the hood. if it flips scum then we know scum knows everything from n1 hood. it will help us with our n2 hood ideas and perspectives.

[Gimli]

HURT: gimli, temporal lich, doctor drew, dragoneater, flea

ugh for now

[DragonEater70]

@Mod can we get a VC please?

[DragonEater70]

@Kawaii, random question but what do you think about Empath? And why about Porkens?

[DragonEater70]

@Kawaii, random question but what do you think about Empath? And what about Porkens?

EBWOP

[Empathice]

If I didn't give any explanation for a read it's probably a gut read of their entire play and not an easy thing to explain.

[Empathice]

also note that a "nightmare" mechanic exists as well

generally you'd want people good at solving running the nightmare

pedit: I still don't have enough info to change my RVS vote but Save The Dragons feels towny

Spoiler: STD's posts at this point

Korina really wanted us to know day started that they sent the PM multiple times in case one got lost in the mail

I had a weird dream I was playing weird dream mafia

that's so meta your post makes me say "that's so meta your post makes me say "that's so meta...

I had a weird dream gimli voted me

I had a weird dream a mod posted

Don't worry I'll recruit you

^ Literally just fluff posting.

I'm too lazy to go back and find them but there were multiple votes by TL that were timed like OMGUS and had shoddy reasonings. But really all of TL's reasonings have felt shoddy.

I Still think this is TWTBAWish even if that was originally an excuse to not push the softed cop. The OMGUS didn't feel hidden at all I don't think.

HURT: Empath

For now to prevent any nightmare hammers. Doctor Drew is scummy so claiming a single shot cop check on them when an ordinary one-shot cop would not say they are one-shot is really really bad.

[KawaiiKame]

Spoiler:

From the rules:

There is at least one guaranteed moderator lie present in this game. Your role, alignment, and any abilities you possess will always be truthful. I will never lie to you about what you can do, or who you win with, or if you know anyone else is aligned with you. Anything else in the game could be lied about. The exact things I will lie about have been determined in the review.

@mod: would saying "Last night, I saw in a dream that Save the Dragons could kill another player" be a possible moderator lie or would it fail the "I will never lie to you about what you can do" condition given Save the Dragons is one of the players reading your post?

^ This feels solving town to me

What??? How is that post tangentially related to solving?
SOLVING means "making an effort to find out who is town and who is scum", in other words "working to achieve a clear picture of everyone's role and alignment, thus SOLVING the game".
This post is not solving, it's at best asking a mechanical question and at worst an unwarranted defense of Fenrir (StD).

Imaginality is insightful, seeing std's pov into the equation, if it is a lie then std does not have a killing role, if it is the truth then std does have a killing role, since the mod said it could be a lie std may/may not have a killing role, the question is solving since we'd know std's role type depending on the answer given, Imaginality's mind is solving

[Gimli]

also note that a "nightmare" mechanic exists as well

generally you'd want people good at solving running the nightmare

pedit: I still don't have enough info to change my RVS vote but Save The Dragons feels towny

Spoiler: STD's posts at this point

Korina really wanted us to know day started that they sent the PM multiple times in case one got lost in the mail

I had a weird dream I was playing weird dream mafia

that's so meta your post makes me say "that's so meta your post makes me say "that's so meta...

I had a weird dream gimli voted me

I had a weird dream a mod posted

Don't worry I'll recruit you

^ Literally just fluff posting.

I'm too lazy to go back and find them but there were multiple votes by TL that were timed like OMGUS and had shoddy reasonings. But really all of TL's reasonings have felt shoddy.

I Still think this is TWTBAWish even if that was originally an excuse to not push the softed cop. The OMGUS didn't feel hidden at all I don't think.

HURT: Empath

For now to prevent any nightmare hammers. Doctor Drew is scummy so claiming a single shot cop check on them when an ordinary one-shot cop would not say they are one-shot is really really bad.

TL is a townie and probably so is DD, so I think you're barking at the wrong tree here. also, I don't understand how post 30 something of the game when TL gave an early townlean is relevant now or looks bad on TL in case std flips mafia or whatever. I hard disagree with your take.

[KawaiiKame]

@Kawaii, random question but what do you think about Empath? And why about Porkens?

Empath feels evasive, Empath felt engaged in the last game, the Kyoko post doesn't look good in my eyes,

Town:
-Kyoko (genuine sounding curiousity)
-Imaginality (good solving and aggressive even if they're wrong)
-Morning Tweet (logic feels pure)

^This looks good in my eyes, with Kyoko's curiosity, Imaginality's solving, MT's logically

Porkens feels erratic, going all out aggressive against the leading consensus town reads intially, subsiding in aggression D2, claiming to have a gun, only to unclaim the gun

[Gimli]

I think kawaii is town

[KawaiiKame]

We should probably get Clone while we have him right where we want him

VOTE: Clone

[DragonEater70]

We should probably get Clone while we have him right where we want him

VOTE: Clone

You don't think Fenrir or Empath are better eliminations today?
Also, since you are engaging might as well ask: Do you agree with Gimli that Fenrir is giving off Kira energy? Or do you think they are playing more similar to their town game (I.E. Donner Party esque)?
I'm genuinely interested in your opinion, also because I suck at reading Fenrir.

[DragonEater70]

I think kawaii is town

I think so too.

[Save The Dragons]

this certainly sucked my wim

[KawaiiKame]

Do you agree with Gimli that Fenrir is giving off Kira energy?

Fenrir is Kira-esque in posting, with one exception,

willingness to die

,

My role makes it okay if I die

In the Death Note game STD kept asking, "Am I?" in an attempt to dissuade people in him being Kira, claiming Follower to look to Kira, when he was Kira, in this game he accepts death instead of pushing the blame to someone else, without this it would be a Kira-esque game, but with this it's not in my eyes

[KawaiiKame]

this certainly sucked my wim

wim?

[Save The Dragons]

Wants It More, it means motivation to play

[KawaiiKame]

Wants It More, it means motivation to play

I feel you, I see why the mod saying you have a killing role when you don't in your pov is motivation killing