Micro 640: Perfect Cherry Blossom (Game Over)

MathBlade · Post Post #975 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2016 7:27 am

VOTE: Vedith

Votes are down. I am not scum. You are conf scum for your claim.

MathBlade · Post Post #976 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2016 7:41 am

https://www.princeton.edu/~sucharit/~ma ... uction.htm

Princeton says I am right on balance. Has to be Grey ICE and Vedith.

zMuffinMan · Post Post #977 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2016 1:34 pm

yeah that link doesn't really prove anything

zMuffinMan · Post Post #978 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2016 1:34 pm

why can't it be me-vedith? you were like 100% sure i was scum at the start of today

zMuffinMan · Post Post #979 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2016 1:35 pm

why can't it be pieguy-vedith? pieguy just reverse his reads on you/vedith completely

MathBlade · Post Post #980 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2016 6:18 pm

Pieguyn is town because of the time I spent with them at Chicago meet. They were quiet and reserved as town. They got vocal at points but as scum they talked more. I see more of the same here.

Take GreyICE in contrast. We had a long talk after 1800 about balance. It is almost always point Based and made some references to that in the thread.

I was certain it was you at first but now I have to take a gut check on which of you was faking it based on new information. If I get confirmation someone is scum it doesn't matter what my prior reads were. Confirmation is confirmation.

GreyICE · Post Post #981 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:18 pm

So wait we're being asked to choose between someone I don't think is town and someone who is practically confirmed town based on roles?

MathBlade · Post Post #982 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:20 pm

Vedith is scum.

Both of us have one vote each.

Good night.

May scum be lynched today.

GreyICE · Post Post #983 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:21 pm

Also face to face mafia is like stupidly town favored thanks to how hilariously easy it is to read people in face to face.

Like seriously I don't think Lexi has ever been wrong. Ever.

pieguyn · Post Post #984 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:32 pm

In post 981, GreyICE wrote:So wait we're being asked to choose between someone I don't think is town and someone who is practically confirmed town based on roles?

was about to say the same.

I don't think there's any way Vedith is scum here; I actually was originally planning on lynching anyone who tried to claim another PR, but Vedith's claim completely reversed it. it fits perfectly into the setup given what I know of how GIF designs setups (there's a lot of ways to block a kill, if we successfully block one the desperado can use its shot without losing a mislynch).

GreyICE · Post Post #985 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:58 pm

Like Pie

In what universe does a 1-shot bulletproof a 1-shot desperado and a town music vendor constitute acceptable level of town power

Like to me Jailkeeper is an extremely strong role so if you're like "it all has to be VT" but then someone comes in and claims a super strong power role then... this would not logically follow.

GreyICE · Post Post #986 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:59 pm

To me this is clearly Matrix 6, probably with 1-shot strongman and roleblocker or rolecop as the mafia prs.

But like "I want to lynch a PR claim" is really half ass

Reason I did popcorn is I wanted the confirmed townie.

pieguyn · Post Post #987 (ISO) » Mon Sep 19, 2016 9:05 pm

In post 985, GreyICE wrote:Like Pie

In what universe does a 1-shot bulletproof a 1-shot desperado and a town music vendor constitute acceptable level of town power

Like to me Jailkeeper is an extremely strong role so if you're like "it all has to be VT" but then someone comes in and claims a super strong power role then... this would not logically follow.

I figured it was probably just those roles vs. all goons. I didn't think about the possibility of another protective role until he actually claimed it.

MathBlade · Post Post #988 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 2:43 am

In post 983, GreyICE wrote:Also face to face mafia is like stupidly town favored thanks to how hilariously easy it is to read people in face to face.

Like seriously I don't think Lexi has ever been wrong. Ever.

Chicago meet. Won as scum. Against Lexi..

You do not remember this?

This has gots to be GreyICE scums

MathBlade · Post Post #989 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 2:45 am

In post 984, pieguyn wrote:
In post 981, GreyICE wrote:So wait we're being asked to choose between someone I don't think is town and someone who is practically confirmed town based on roles?
was about to say the same.

I don't think there's any way Vedith is scum here; I actually was originally planning on lynching anyone who tried to claim another PR, but Vedith's claim completely reversed it. it fits perfectly into the setup given what I know of how GIF designs setups (there's a lot of ways to block a kill, if we successfully block one the desperado can use its shot without losing a mislynch).

No. As it stands scum receives no benefit from a roleblocker unless they hit the desperado. That is negative utility. I don't buy that.

MathBlade · Post Post #990 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 2:48 am

In post 986, GreyICE wrote:To me this is clearly Matrix 6, probably with 1-shot strongman and roleblocker or rolecop as the mafia prs.

But like "I want to lynch a PR claim" is really half ass

Reason I did popcorn is I wanted the confirmed townie.

Stop saying clear mistakes. A desperado/Vig is not Matrix 6 in anyway shape or form.

A desperado is like a town suicide bomber you better be right or both dead.
You can play it like a VT the entire time though.
Has huge positive utility.

You also expect me to believe that town also has the ability to save the target from dying.

Like no. Just no.

MathBlade · Post Post #991 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 2:51 am

In post 985, GreyICE wrote:Like Pie

In what universe does a 1-shot bulletproof a 1-shot desperado and a town music vendor constitute acceptable level of town power

Like to me Jailkeeper is an extremely strong role so if you're like "it all has to be VT" but then someone comes in and claims a super strong power role then... this would not logically follow.

Town desperado and 1 shot semi public bulletproof is huge.

Semi public generally means either the shooter is told or the target are told their BP went off.

Huge town power like whaaaaat?

MathBlade · Post Post #992 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 5:23 pm

The deadline is in (expired on 2016-09-23 20:42:53)

Less than three days people. Would like to see some semblance of life.

Driving home be on later.

zMuffinMan · Post Post #993 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:54 pm

i sincerely doubt vedith is scum. did a once-over of his ISO just to be sure - the pie read is at least consistent with his actions and i just don't really think he's scum

the only real question is whether pie decided to come out today hard-defending her buddy before doing a full 180 or whether greyice came out today guns blazing ready to bus. i really want it to be the latter because just because i realllly want to lynch greyice but it's prob just pieguy tbh

im also pretty much expecting a no kill tonight regardless of who's scum so im not really concerned about who vedith chooses to block

pieguyn · Post Post #994 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:55 pm

zmuffin, I meant to ask you this before, but how exactly are you currently reading me/ICE? it isn't clear whether you're explicitly scum reading me over him at this point.

pieguyn · Post Post #995 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:59 pm

nvm, that's what I get for not fully reading your post first.

I was going to write a full response to your post from earlier but I was too exhausted. I'll get on that.

zMuffinMan · Post Post #996 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:59 pm

i am explicitly scum reading you over him at this point

that said, if we went into tomorrow with you somehow confirmed scum and him somehow confirmed town, i would have difficulty deciding who i want to lynch. on the one hand, win con, but on the other hand, lynching greyice. not gonna lie - id struggle with that decision

pieguyn · Post Post #997 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:00 pm

vote: math

don't really see a reason to hold the vote at this point. we can sort this out tomorrow if I'm still alive.

zMuffinMan · Post Post #998 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:01 pm

gonna laugh if it's just grey ice/pieguy and the game's been over since the cross vote

zMuffinMan · Post Post #999 (ISO) » Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:02 pm

prob isn't though. prob just pieguy-mathblade