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[Elements]

Bloop

[OopsieDaisy]

if elements were scum with kkfc, they weren't doing a very good job at fueling counterwagons.

this is irrelevant if the wagon itself dies down actively because of what elements did. by shutting down the momentum against kkfc and eventually later on casting a vote on the IAVH wagon, elements would've done everything they needed to do to protect their partner in that day 1.

[OopsieDaisy]

another issue i have with kkfc/elements is that they just haven't rly interacted at all this game. which it why it surprises me so much when I see KKFC post a readlist with El topping it in 821.

[OopsieDaisy]

it's also a case where if you want to pair me with kkfc or el, both of those scenarios involve busses at critical moments in the game. el and kkfc have given each other a much easier time than they've given to other slots in this game and that's a massive concern.

[KatyKimFanClub]

You still want kkfc today?

Yep, or you.

I think the associatives around you and KKFC are so clear. I know I've been harking on about the intent to hammer post for this entire game but that singlehandedly halted the momentum behind the KKFC wagon early game. I think you were covering for your teammate.

I'm sorry but this doesn't feel true at all. If you read the wagon on me the intent to hammer post wasn't what ended it.

Skygazer puts me at E-1 (I have votes from Daisy and iavh at this point for Meta reasons) at 203, intent to hammer post is 206, discussion related to wagon continues for a while?

This is a pretty blatant misrep of what happened to be honest.

[KatyKimFanClub]

The idea that there are "clear KKFC/Elements" associatives and also that we haven't interacted this game just seems contradictory.

Daisy's case on me is pretty obviously scum motivated.

[KatyKimFanClub]

Let's just split the difference and get Elements.

Skygazer claim seems real enough, since I feel like a 9p game with:

Neopolitan
Messenger
5 VT

2 Mafia Goons / perhaps one PR

Doesn't make much sense from a setup perspective? Also, if Skygazer's role claim is real, then a setup with a Scum Bodyguard or really any Scum Protective doesn't make sense without a 3rd town PR.


@Skygazer I will make my case later for Daisy/Elements, but I urge you to look at the context of 96, where Daisy unvotes her partner and pushes what we should all see by now is a premature meta case on me that she only really ever retracted in name. Like, do we think that this read that I'm a passive player is even fair to give on post 96 of a game? It has to be because Elements is at 3 votes and there's no other way for Daisy to extricate herself from her RVS vote without her feeling like she looks suspicious.

[KatyKimFanClub]

The evolution of Daisy's reads on Elements Day 2 makes no sense.

I will say El is now reading a bit different to me after revealing that the intent to hammer post had an agenda. As I've said before my read on Elements is based on whether their posts have a deep running agenda (scummy) or are mostly surface level and a bit trolly (townie). Revealing that the intent to hammer post had strong thought behind it surprises me a bit, tho I've been wrong here plenty of times before.

Daisy presumably scumreads Elements here.

Elements could've been scum looking for a quick hammer but I think that's fairly unlikely considering the explanations we've received.

There's literally no Elements additional explanation of the intent to hammer post between these two posts. Elements talks about why they did it earlier, but Daisy scumreads Elements after they explain their reasoning, that was the whole logic behind the scumread in the first place.


Then Kitty has Elements in the second tier of reads with Sky/Delta in 526.

[KatyKimFanClub]

The logic that Daisy keeps going back to is that a scum!Elements has no reason to make an intent to hammer post on a town!KKFC. This is repeated often, and I think that this logic, coupled with Daisy's persistent pushes on me in Day 1 and Day 2, were meant to try to make her partner look town once I flipped.

[KatyKimFanClub]

There's this idea that Elements is scummy, yet if I'm town then Elements can't be scum, but since I'm more scummy than Elements, I should be flipped first, that is entirely too convenient for this game.

Sky and Kitty surely you see this.

[Skygazer]

i will recalibrate tomorrow

[Skygazer]

to anyone else with hulu or disney plus: apparently that comes with espn+ and i couldve had these games on in the background the whole time

[Skygazer]

wronggggg thread

[KittyTacky]

So overnight (in both senses) I have been thinking about what to do.

Everyone feels town to me except Oopsie and Ele.

[KittyTacky]

I see it now obviously, but I didn't at the time to be honest.

I'm guessing Kitty is vanilla?

Yeah I am VT.

[KittyTacky]

Kitty, come help us out

Help out how?

[Skygazer]

hi kitty

[Skygazer]

talk to me about your katy town read

[Skygazer]

i could probably go for oopsie / elements tbh. i want to revisit with a fresher mind but kkfc's posts on this page seem townie and reminded me why i started townreading them a bit d2.

[Skygazer]

and your reads have been better than mine so sheeping might just be the way to go tbh

[Skygazer]

i feel like half of the words in oopsie's iso are dedicated to KKFC

I have an obsession :3

this kinda feels like a post that is made in a oopsie/elements world tbh

[RH]

Flavour

Smooth Criminal

Day 3 Count I

Not Voting

- Elements, KatyKimFanClub, KittyTacky, OopsieDaisy, Skygazer

Notes

• My mod ISO is here.
  
• With 5 remaining, it takes 3 to form a majority.
  
• I'm going on school camp from Sunday to next Friday so implosion will take over.

The

Day

concludes in (expired on 2023-08-16 16:16:00).

[OopsieDaisy]

Alright gamers I dealt with the KKFC/me world yesterday, looks like I gotta deal with the Elements/me world today.

You still want kkfc today?

Yep, or you.

I think the associatives around you and KKFC are so clear. I know I've been harking on about the intent to hammer post for this entire game but that singlehandedly halted the momentum behind the KKFC wagon early game. I think you were covering for your teammate.

I'm sorry but this doesn't feel true at all. If you read the wagon on me the intent to hammer post wasn't what ended it.
Skygazer puts me at E-1 (I have votes from Daisy and iavh at this point for Meta reasons) at 203, intent to hammer post is 206, discussion related to wagon continues for a while?

This is a pretty blatant misrep of what happened to be honest.

I don't think it's a blatant misrep. PP literally unvoted you because of Elements' post. The Elements post is where the wagon goes from progressing to regresssing.

The idea that there are "clear KKFC/Elements" associatives and also that we haven't interacted this game just seems contradictory.

Daisy's case on me is pretty obviously scum motivated.

No that's what makes you such a likely team. One of the most basic mafia distancing strategies that exists in the game is the act of just ignoring each other and pushing elsewhere, and this is a strategy that I 100% expected to see this game because the mafia team is small and so bussing is so much more harmful. From what I remember reading your posts, there hasn't been a satisfying progression on your read of Elements at all. You had El top of your readlist end of Day 2, yet I can't remember a reason why.

@Skygazer I will make my case later for Daisy/Elements, but I urge you to look at the context of 96, where Daisy unvotes her partner and pushes what we should all see by now is a premature meta case on me that she only really ever retracted in name. Like, do we think that this read that I'm a passive player is even fair to give on post 96 of a game? It has to be because Elements is at 3 votes and there's no other way for Daisy to extricate herself from her RVS vote without her feeling like she looks suspicious.

Again, as I mentioned at the time, early-game meta reads on Page 4/5 are the bread and butter of a town!Daisy game, and I offered an example of a game where I did this exact kind of play as town. It's a better vote than a pure RVS vote, which is what my Elements vote was, because there is at least some solid information backing up the vote and it typically generates some strong discussion (which it did!!). I also think your point about Elements being at 3 votes is bogus because Elements was literally voting themselves at the time, so I don't understand why I as a scumparter to Elements would be in a rush to alleviate the pressure there if Elements wanted a wagon on themselves?

The evolution of Daisy's reads on Elements Day 2 makes no sense.

I will say El is now reading a bit different to me after revealing that the intent to hammer post had an agenda. As I've said before my read on Elements is based on whether their posts have a deep running agenda (scummy) or are mostly surface level and a bit trolly (townie). Revealing that the intent to hammer post had strong thought behind it surprises me a bit, tho I've been wrong here plenty of times before.

Daisy presumably scumreads Elements here.

Elements could've been scum looking for a quick hammer but I think that's fairly unlikely considering the explanations we've received.

There's literally no Elements additional explanation of the intent to hammer post between these two posts. Elements talks about why they did it earlier, but Daisy scumreads Elements after they explain their reasoning, that was the whole logic behind the scumread in the first place.

What you're seeing here is the first post noting that if the binary agenda read I have is right, we've got a scum!Elements here. And then the second post adds a bit of nuance. I'm trying to figure out there why a scum!Elements makes that post in a town!KKFC world, and this is a question I haven't been able to find a satisfying answer to the whole game. Hunting for a hammer *that* early in Day 1 just isn't a good play as scum and that's what I was working out in that post. I don't understand how I can be clearer with my read on Elements, it feels like I've had to make these same points over and over and over again like I'm in some twisted groundhog day mafia game lmao.

The logic that Daisy keeps going back to is that a scum!Elements has no reason to make an intent to hammer post on a town!KKFC. This is repeated often, and I think that this logic, coupled with Daisy's persistent pushes on me in Day 1 and Day 2, were meant to try to make her partner look town once I flipped.

There's this idea that Elements is scummy, yet if I'm town then Elements can't be scum, but since I'm more scummy than Elements, I should be flipped first, that is entirely too convenient for this game.

Sky and Kitty surely you see this.

Then give me the reason!!! If you're so sure I've been setting you up with my logic on Elements, can you tell me why Elements makes that intent to hammer post as scum if you're town? I have been asking this question for the vast majority of this game and not a single player has been able to give a satisfying answer bar what I have with you and Elements both being scum together.

[KatyKimFanClub]

I don't think it's a blatant misrep. PP literally unvoted you because of Elements' post. The Elements post is where the wagon goes from progressing to regresssing.

The wagon literally cannot progress from E-1 what do you mean? He unvotes because he doesn't want an errant hammer, it's not like he doesn't scumread me anymore. You can see this from the fact that he continues to interrogate me for like another 2 pages.

[KatyKimFanClub]

No that's what makes you such a likely team. One of the most basic mafia distancing strategies that exists in the game is the act of just ignoring each other and pushing elsewhere, and this is a strategy that I 100% expected to see this game because the mafia team is small and so bussing is so much more harmful. From what I remember reading your posts, there hasn't been a satisfying progression on your read of Elements at all. You had El top of your readlist end of Day 2, yet I can't remember a reason why.

Well then you should read my ISO again!