The Hobbit Mafia - GAME OVER

[Lord Gurgi]

Why would gandalf be an sk?
Maybe he could be vig at one time sk at another, showing how he helped them occasionally?

[CoolBot]

My guess Gandalf is a vig, and probably played by someone who hasn't played vig before. Whoever it is got lucky Night 1. Another possiblity is Gandalf investigates players to see if they're Smaug, and if they are, kills them.

[MMCL]

Coolbot that would not fit with the story though. Gandalf does not kill Smaug.

[Yaw]

You're right, a combined cop/vig would be another possibility for Gandalf. That one should become clear as the game proceeds. If on future nights we end up with some zapped dwarves, we'll know it's a SK. On the other hand, if the lightning kills disappear, it would make the combo role more likely. (Although even here, we'd have to account for possible doc protection or another roleblocker.)

[Internet Stranger]

I really doubt Gandalf would be an SK. Sounds more lke a rampaging vigilante with a vendetta.

Either way, I have no opinion to add, I dont think this whole Gandalf issue is gong to get us anywhere. Like any night 1, we are better just just picking someone at random and killing them dead.

[MMCL]

hmmm

[Corsato]

So we have goblins (kills with a scimitar), Smaug (kills with fire) and trolls. The trolls either kill by snapping players head, or their kill failed. Let's hope for the first.
The lightning bolt must have been from Gandalf, I can't think of any other character to do it.

No random vote today.

[mikehart]

Vote Count

dragonmaster

(1) - Internet Stranger

Shivan_Dragon

(1) - Yaw

Flying Dutchman

(1) - Lord Gurgi

Lord Gurgi

(1) - Flying Dutchman

[Argoti]

Okay, so we got (seemingly) newbie vig Gandalf, Troll Neck Snappers, and Goblin's who like to go stabby-stabby. Got it,

IS, who shall be random target #1?

[Narninian]

not an exorbitant number of newbies in this game - Im not sure that a vig would be killing night 1 - I find it quite unlikely - unless they are required to for some reason

[MMCL]

Am I reading to much into this:

Like any night 1, we are better just just picking someone at random and killing them dead.

Saying night 1 instead of day 1 is one thing... as is using the term kill instead of lynch... but both together?

[korais666]

What about gollum? He's gotta be in the game somewhere, he could snap necks. Trolls are definately a possibility.

vote: yaw

because... ummmm.... you voted for somebody. You must be trying to start a bandwagon!

[Argoti]

I dunno, aside from the Riddle Game and all, Gollum didn't do much.

[MMCL]

He threatened to eat Bilbo if Bilbo didn't play the Riddle Game... it's a possibility then, that he is a 1-shot SK maybe?

[Argoti]

Or maybe he has a win condition that he has to find Bilbo, or get Bilbo killed. Hmmmm....

[Tigris]

IS is always quite difficult to read properly as he does not change his play style based on his alignment. Of course, to my recollection I have yet to play a game with him, so I'm only basing this on games I have read with him in them.

My take on the whole lightning thing, whoever did it was/is new. Killing first night if you're a serial killer of vigi is completely moronic, as it either kills any chance of claiming vigi and being believed or alternatively you have an incredibly high chance of killing a teammate, great either way. The only exception imo, is if you have a role whose killing method cannot be used by a pro-town player, i.e. Smaug and roasting someone, lightning doesn't count as one of those in my book though.

Additionally, the idea of a cop/vig combination role that can investigate and then kill depending on the investigation is at best unadvised. In order to balance the game properly you would have to increase the strength of the evil groups and then what happens if that role dies, well then the game is unbalanced. For further reference read what antrax has to say in . . . well that's unexpected, meh, here's the link as no one would be able to find it without knowing exactly what I'm talking about (and looking at the player's list only a few have likely read it). For some reason it isn't in the theory link unless you type it in
http://www.mafiascum.net/theory/006ant.html

vote: koraiss

, pot kettle anyone? ^_~

[Murk]

what also could be posssible is that gandalf is a vigi and has to target someone each night or that his target gets killed when he's evil and get doc protection if he's pro-town, but this is just a wild guess.

I

vote Flying Dutchman

because he said that he ad too discuss with his scum mates and I take him serieus

[Internet Stranger]

IS, who shall be random target #1?

If you really want to follow me along, just vote for draginmaster and hope im right.

[Yaw]

Ooo...good article. Thanks Tigris, I hadn't seen that before.

I do think Antrax went a bit farther than just a cop/vig in his "don'ts", though -- he had a combo character that couldn't be lynched or killed. I'll agree that a cop/vig combo is likely too overpowering in this game, as with (if that were true) three scum groups out there that role is bound to hit somthing at a pretty high rate. I don't think Murk's suggestion is possible, as it isn't a good idea to complicate matters more than necessary.

One-shot SK would be silly as a role. If Gollum were an anti-town role that had to find Bilbo, as Argoti suggested, that would be more likely. At any rate, there's only so far this kind of speculation is likely to get us.

IS, I thought you were volunteering for a bandwagon back there. I'd be happy to comply with that request...

[mikehart]

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[Yaw]

Interesting idea. Can we at least get a notice in-thread whenever the vote count is updated, mod?

[mikehart]

It will be updated at least every two or three hours as I am on all day.

[Narninian]

hmmm - this makes keeping track of voting records harder... a 1-away-from-lynch vote plays out differently than say a 2nd or 3rd vote..

[Yaw]

Ok...can we have a "time of last vote count update" tag on the front page, then? I'm thinking of people in other time zones here, when you might be sleeping...

[CoolBot]

A cop/vig would make some sense if all Gandalf could only killone or two groups. After all, we probably have four different groups here; the trolls, the orcs, Smaug, and probably Gollum.