MKM II GAME OVER

[AceMarksman]

EBWOP add to the end: therefore, I see the potential for a clause (hidden or not) to prevent a massclaim.
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-populartajo (5): Cream147, Gorrad, AceMarksman, qwints, ortolan
-Empking (2): Shinnen_no_Me, zwetschenwasser
-zwetschenwasser (2): populartajo, pacman281292
-Shinnen_no_Me (2): Empking, Riceballtail
-Dubya (1): Shadow Knight
-AceMarksman (1): caf19

Not voting (4): killa seven, Surye, Moratorium, Dubya

With 17 alive it takes 9 real votes to lynch.

[Lawrencelot]

Prodded Dubya

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[Shinnen_no_Me]

Maybe in following days a mass claim would serve us, but right now it only creates easy targets for NK. Tajo, if you didn't want a mrc, why did you propose it?

[AceMarksman]

I know what might help us: do you think claiming the number of votes your vote counts for is a bad idea?

[zwetschenwasser]

Massclaim proposition is scummy=WIFOM case and tunnel visioning by Ace

Unvote; Vote: AceMarksman

[Riceballtail]

I know what might help us: do you think claiming the number of votes your vote counts for is a bad idea?

If like MKM1, this is a bad idea, yes. We should also assume that, since there is a real and visible votecount system again.

[zwetschenwasser]

Yay!

[caf19]

I know what might help us: do you think claiming the number of votes your vote counts for is a bad idea?

If like MKM1, this is a bad idea, yes. We should also assume that, since there is a real and visible votecount system again.

I didn't play MKM1. Was there something in that game to prevent vote-amount-claiming being a good idea?

[populartajo]

All the voters for me. Is it because I brought something new to the table that has the potential to break the game if done well the only reason that Im scum?

Process of reasoning.

1. Last game the ONLY reason why town didnt massclaim was the famous Peach clause. (If scum found out who Peach was, game was over).

2. We

apparently

dont have in this game this clause.

3. Therefore, I wanted to evaluate the possibility of name massclaiming. Im not in favor or against it, IM JUST EVALUATING IT with the town.

Also, do you find my other proposition: "confirmation using items" also a bad idea? Explain why.

[Empking]

3. Therefore, I wanted to evaluate the possibility of name massclaiming. Im not in favor or against it, IM JUST EVALUATING IT with the town.

I really dislike this part, it seems to say (to me) "and find out who's this game's "peach"."

[populartajo]

3. Therefore, I wanted to evaluate the possibility of name massclaiming. Im not in favor or against it, IM JUST EVALUATING IT with the town.

I really dislike this part, it seems to say (to me) "and find out who's this game's "peach"."

Except that we are not protecting Peach this time.
Are you?

[Empking]

3. Therefore, I wanted to evaluate the possibility of name massclaiming. Im not in favor or against it, IM JUST EVALUATING IT with the town.

I really dislike this part, it seems to say (to me) "and find out who's this game's "peach"."

Except that we are not protecting Peach this time.
Are you?

By ""Peach"", I didn't mean the role name "Peach", I meant "role to benefit scum in the event of a mass claim"

[populartajo]

3. Therefore, I wanted to evaluate the possibility of name massclaiming. Im not in favor or against it, IM JUST EVALUATING IT with the town.

I really dislike this part, it seems to say (to me) "and find out who's this game's "peach"."

Except that we are not protecting Peach this time.
Are you?

By ""Peach"", I didn't mean the role name "Peach", I meant "role to benefit scum in the event of a mass claim"

You think I am scum, Emp?
What do you think of alignment claim?

[Moratorium]

Is it because I brought something new to the table that has the potential to break the game if done well the only reason that Im scum?

I'm not sure whether you are scum or not. I accept that bringing up the topic of mass claiming is not necessarily inherently scummy, and in this game has birthed a pretty healthy discussion. But I'm not liking how your proposal reasoning has

evolved

when faced with opposition. Your initial proposal was:

name mass claiming for the win?

Easily interpreted as "I think we should name mass claim". No indication here that you are anything but in favor of doing this. for the win.

The other game, we had a situation to prevent name massclaim. Princess Peach could get captured by scum giving them an autowin if they could keep her for a night with no killing Bowser. Now we dont have it and I strongly believe that Lawrencelot put the good guys in a side and the bad guys in the other, like in the other game.

More explanation of reasoning out why you are in favor of a mass name claim. Then Rule #13 is pointed out. Various votes. So then your expressed opinion changes:

I NEVER said it was a good idea. Im evaluating it right now and waiting for everybody's opinions on this.

why the vote when I have been CLEAR in express that I DONT support name massclaiming.

No, you're not being clear, which is what I'm now pointing out. Your proposal went from this:

name mass claiming for the win?

...to this...

Therefore, I wanted to evaluate the possibility of name massclaiming. Im not in favor or against it, IM JUST EVALUATING IT with the town.

Your statements aren't consistent, and you look like a flip-flopper. You shouldn't be terribly surprised to have a few votes on you.

[populartajo]

Is "name claiming for the win?"

that

different to "im evaluating name claiming"?
Really, Mora?

[Empking]

3. Therefore, I wanted to evaluate the possibility of name massclaiming. Im not in favor or against it, IM JUST EVALUATING IT with the town.

I really dislike this part, it seems to say (to me) "and find out who's this game's "peach"."

Except that we are not protecting Peach this time.
Are you?

By ""Peach"", I didn't mean the role name "Peach", I meant "role to benefit scum in the event of a mass claim"

You think I am scum, Emp?

I'm thinking about it?

What do you think of alignment claim?

Won't everyone claim the same thing?

[populartajo]

What else do you need to confirm my scum status?
Also, about alignment claim, dont you think that that piece of information is vital for the development of the game?

[zwetschenwasser]

I'm Yoshi's long lost brother. I can shoot lasers from my eggs.

[caf19]

Do you not see tajo's action as scummy?

tajo's behaviour so far is the sort that always ends up getting a lot of attention/suspicion in a game. I find that his alignment could go either way, and more analysis will hopefully shed light. Other people at least gave some evaluation up front when they suspected/voted tajo; you appeared to be acting with minimal evaluation and more of a thought process of 'look, here's the first thing i can get away with voting for, let's vote for it'. Hence my suspicion of you.

1. Last game the ONLY reason why town didnt massclaim was the famous Peach clause. (If scum found out who Peach was, game was over).

2. We

apparently

dont have in this game this clause.

3. Therefore, I wanted to evaluate the possibility of name massclaiming. Im not in favor or against it, IM JUST EVALUATING IT with the town.

Hrm. Why didn't you say this in the first place instead of remaining vague about your intentions?

[Empking]

I'm Yoshi's long lost brother. I can shoot lasers from my eggs.

Unvote

Vote: Zwets

Scum claim.

[zwetschenwasser]

That's a very noncommittal post caf has there.

[caf19]

Noncommittal on tajo? Perhaps, but it's genuinely my opinion of him. His behaviour doesn't preclude him from being scum, but I'm not going to jump on him for what he's done so far, as others have done.

[Cream147]

Ok, well I want to get myself off the tajo wagon as I completely disagree with it.

Unvote

. Is putting forward the idea of a mass-claim scummy? Obviously in some people's eyes, but not mine. As Tajo has pointed out more than enough times, he never actually endorsed mass-claiming.

Don't say "Why put forward the idea if you don't like it?", that's incredibly weak. Putting forward an idea that you don't necessarily agree with, but just want to gauge opinions on, is perfectly acceptable. In fact, it's beneficial to the town. So the town don't agree with the idea of a mass-claim. That's fine. Now we know.

Personally, I think it's unlikely that there'll be a 'Peach' this time round, it would be boring to use the same gimmick two games running I think. However, it's very possible that there is something that makes a massclaim bad. But let's stop outguessing the mod. Either way, I think a massclaim is not worth risking at this point.

[zwetschenwasser]

I'm Yoshi's long lost brother. I can shoot lasers from my eggs.

Unvote

Vote: Zwets

Scum claim.

Actually, no, it's my traditional random claim I do in games where I have the urge to.

[Surye]

Tajo wagon, while I think premature, isn't the nonsense Cream is proporting it to be. Tajo definitely DID post in a way that felt like an endorsement of the idea. But I can buy that he is just poor at expressing what he ment, at least for now, as it was a question none the less.

AceMarksman has most of my attention. He attacked the MRC as such a bad and scummy idea, then turns around asking about a MVC, which I find hypocritical. There's nothing wrong with him asking about the idea, but the fact that he attacked tajo for the same thing as far as I am concerned has my attention.