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Post Post #50 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:03 am

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ZazieR wrote:It's not a knit >.<
It's raising his eyebrow...

And I'm using that emoticon to show that I'm suspicious of his last post.
Why? Was I not correct? If a stupid scum hammers me, we lynch the stupid scum tomorrow and win.





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(3) Crazy - orangepenguin, ZazieR

(1) orangepenguin - Crazy
(1) ZazieR - Plum
(1) Chief - kirroha


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Post Post #51 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:30 am

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Chief wrote:Yup! Good for us then! Anyway, the mafia could have easily hammered crazy, so I had to unvote.
Which is a bad thing, because?
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Post Post #52 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:31 am

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EBWOP
Also, the only three players who weren't voting Crazy all had posted after my vote, so why are you scared, Chief?
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Post Post #53 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:34 am

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Crazy wrote:Why? Was I not correct? If a stupid scum hammers me, we lynch the stupid scum tomorrow and win
Exactly. And that's why it's suspicious. If you believe that the scum would hammer you, why would you post:
'Scum hammer me, so that the town can lynch you towmorrow :)'

It makes no sense for any townie to say that.

Also, by posting this, it makes every player scared of hammering you in case you're town, because it would make that player suspicious as it's now assumed that scum will hammer.


These two reasons make your post suspicious.
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Post Post #54 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:06 am

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ZazieR wrote:
Crazy wrote:Why? Was I not correct? If a stupid scum hammers me, we lynch the stupid scum tomorrow and win
Exactly. And that's why it's suspicious. If you believe that the scum would hammer you, why would you post:
'Scum hammer me, so that the town can lynch you towmorrow :)'

It makes no sense for any townie to say that.

Also, by posting this, it makes every player scared of hammering you in case you're town, because it would make that player suspicious as it's now assumed that scum will hammer.


These two reasons make your post suspicious.
I didn't think the scum would hammer me. I assumed you just put me at L-1 to jumpstart discussion, thinking nobody would actually hammer. But I did want everyone to know I was at L-1, so I wouldn't be accidentally hammered by a random vote.

Basically, I didn't think it was a big deal, because I didn't expect the scum to hammer me anyway.

About your second point, hammering someone in general is not scummy; but on the 3rd page, it is.
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Post Post #55 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:16 pm

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Mod: I believe that Chief has already Unvoted Page 2


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Post Post #56 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:30 pm

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I didn't think the scum would hammer me. I assumed you just put me at L-1 to jumpstart discussion, thinking nobody would actually hammer. But I did want everyone to know I was at L-1, so I wouldn't be accidentally hammered by a random vote.
Everybody has already random voted, and also posted. So there's no need for you to worry about being random voted for. Also, I think everyone already knows that you're at L-1.
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Post Post #57 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:51 pm

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kirroha wrote:
I didn't think the scum would hammer me. I assumed you just put me at L-1 to jumpstart discussion, thinking nobody would actually hammer. But I did want everyone to know I was at L-1, so I wouldn't be accidentally hammered by a random vote.
Everybody has already random voted, and also posted. So there's no need for you to worry about being random voted for. Also, I think everyone already knows that you're at L-1.
I don't mean now; I meant after Zazie put me at L-1.
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Post Post #58 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:07 pm

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First some questions before I respond:
-If someone would hammer you now, would you think that player is scum or would you think he/she is town? Why?
-Do you think Chief's unvote is justified regarding her reason? Why?
-Do you agree with me that the way you wrote your first post regarding my vote, gives a kind of defence as players will be afraid to hammer you? Why?
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Post Post #59 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:08 pm

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Also, the Sens-way is following two things. I've followed the first, what do you think of the second (lynching random)?
(question to everybody)

Please include why.
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Post Post #60 (ISO) » Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:51 am

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Zazie wrote: -If someone would hammer you now, would you think that player is scum or would you think he/she is town? Why?
Scum, for sure. Since when is hammering someone on Page 3 not obvscum?

Zazie wrote:-Do you think Chief's unvote is justified regarding her reason? Why?
I often see people get paranoid when people are at L-1 for no particular reason. I don't have any problem with Chief's reaction.
Zazie wrote: -Do you agree with me that the way you wrote your first post regarding my vote, gives a kind of defence as players will be afraid to hammer you? Why?
Hammering now, yes, because that will be indicative of scum.
Hammering later, after a bunch of discussion is a different story, because then there will actually be evidence and such.
Zazie wrote: Also, the Sens-way is following two things. I've followed the first, what do you think of the second (lynching random)?
(question to everybody)

Please include why.
We have only 2 lynches this game. If we lynch town, we severely cut down our chances of winning. No amount of kickstarting discussion can really justify that.
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Post Post #61 (ISO) » Tue Apr 28, 2009 8:47 am

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ZazieR wrote:Also, by posting this, it makes every player scared of hammering you in case you're town, because it would make that player suspicious as it's now assumed that scum will hammer.
At this point, hammering isn't a good idea, and if people are scared of hammering at this stage, well, good. As Crazy said, a hammer vote is scummy at this point in the game - at later stages, once we've had substantial discussion of suspicion, a well-reasoned hammer vote is not scummy.

Zazie, re random lynching (by dice): It gives the town a %60 chance of a win. Personally, especially judging by my last Lovers game, good strong discussion can better that percentage almost universally.
Chief wrote:Anyway, the mafia could have easily hammered crazy, so I had to unvote.
As Zazie said, Mafia hammering isn't the concern; stupid town screwing up and hammering and getting lynched Day 2 is.

Where the heck is OP?

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Post Post #62 (ISO) » Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:57 pm

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unvote, vote: Plum
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Post Post #63 (ISO) » Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:04 pm

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Plum wrote:As Zazie said, Mafia hammering isn't the concern; stupid town screwing up and hammering and getting lynched Day 2 is.
I wrote:Everybody has already random voted, and also posted. So there's no need for you to worry about being random voted for. Also, I think everyone already knows that you're at L-1.
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Post Post #64 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:18 am

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I hope I got this right.


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(1) Chief - kirroha
(1) Plum - orangepenguin


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Post Post #65 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:50 pm

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Our game is quite inactive. I presume that RVS is not quite over yet?
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Post Post #66 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:02 pm

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RVS?

Also, ZazieR has told me via PM that she will have a very brief V/LA (a few days). Other than that, the other players should be posting...
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Post Post #67 (ISO) » Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:05 pm

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@TenchiMod: RVS is Random Voting Stage.

Understood. The RVS seems to be quite long for this game... but a lynch will eventually happen on the deadline.
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Post Post #68 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:48 am

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kirroha wrote:Our game is quite inactive. I presume that RVS is not quite over yet?
*shrug* I never consider there to be a concrete change between RVS and non-RVS. I do think we're mostly out of it, though. Unfortunately, this game is inactive.

OP, your last post didn't comment on anything that was being said. Anything to say?
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Post Post #69 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:04 am

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ZazieR wrote:
Chief wrote:Yup! Good for us then! Anyway, the mafia could have easily hammered crazy, so I had to unvote.
Which is a bad thing, because?
Yeah, I did get kinda paranoid when Crazy was at L-1, because we don't really have proof against him, do we?

We can't really take chances and simply vote off someone cause of random voting.
Crazy wrote:Why? Was I not correct? If a stupid scum hammers me, we lynch the stupid scum tomorrow and win
It was pretty obvious that the scum would hammer him, but it was sort of a WIFOM, and a risk to take, none the less.
ZazieR wrote:Also, the only three players who weren't voting Crazy all had posted after my vote, so why are you scared, Chief?
I was afraid we risk getting an innocent townie lynched and since the fact that scum would probably be the one who hammers Crazy, it sort of posed a WIFOM for us, so we won't be very sure that the one who hammered is scum.

ZazieR, you seem a little eager to vote crazy off. You're questioning my decision to unvote, and I feel you're trying to threaten me into voting for Crazy again. This seems a little suspicious, because we don't have concrete evidence, like Kirroha said, we're still sort of in the RVS...

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Post Post #70 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:11 am

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Chief wrote:It was pretty obvious that the scum would hammer him, but it was sort of a WIFOM, and a risk to take, none the less.
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Post Post #71 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:17 am

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Chief wrote:I was afraid we risk getting an innocent townie lynched and since the fact that scum would probably be the one who hammers Crazy, it sort of posed a WIFOM for us, so we won't be very sure that the one who hammered is scum.
I think differently, Chief. Crazy might have said that scum would hammer him so that nobody would dare to hammer him.

Still, I don't think anyone, not even the scum, would hammer someone on page 3. I think the only possibility would be if somebody miscounts, but that does not say anything about the alignment of the hammaher.
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Post Post #72 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:15 am

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kirroha wrote:I think differently, Chief. Crazy might have said that scum would hammer him so that nobody would dare to hammer him.
I didn't say that scum would hammer me! Pretty much I was daring them to, because I knew they wouldn't.
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Post Post #73 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2009 6:51 pm

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I wouldn't rule out Townies hammering. Everyone, regardless of alignment, can have quick fingers sometimes.

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Post Post #74 (ISO) » Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:05 pm

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Chief/kirroha lover team?
She's my friend from school. XD In case you haven't figured out yet.
crazy wrote:I didn't say that scum would hammer me! Pretty much I was daring them to, because I knew they wouldn't.
But that also makes others worried about hammering you, so you won't get hammered. Still, I doubt if anyone is stupid enough to hammer at page 3.

This game is moving way too slowly.
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