Oh yeah, I remember now. I ate hot death on night oneZazieR Post 48 wrote::rara:Sotty wrote:As for ZazieR, I remember playing with her but I think it was quite awhile back now, I don't quite remember the game off hand. Do you ZazieR?
At least somebody remembered me.
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I don't see any links that can conclusively be made between any two players yet. As I saw it, it was still the random voting stage.ZazieR wrote:"Because Kise unvoted Infection" gives me the impression that you think they might have the same allignment aka being scum together.
Though it can also be an extra part to the second part explained below.
"Infection still hadn't posted yet" gives me the impression that you wanted to pressure him with this vote in order for him to start posting.
I always wonder why it's called the RVS, because the votes aren't really random, unless you're rolling a dice, which neither Zazie nor semioldguy did.Sotty7 wrote:Why is that weird? In the random stage I often see people "random" vote each other.
It's a tie between you and Zazie, but probably Zazie since you're at L-1.SOG wrote:Infection: You still haven't made a vote. If you had to make a vote in your next post who would be the most likely person you'd vote for?
So, it was not a pressure vote for him to post? Just random?semioldguy wrote:I don't see any links that can conclusively be made between any two players yet. As I saw it, it was still the random voting stage.ZazieR wrote:"Because Kise unvoted Infection" gives me the impression that you think they might have the same allignment aka being scum together.
Though it can also be an extra part to the second part explained below.
"Infection still hadn't posted yet" gives me the impression that you wanted to pressure him with this vote in order for him to start posting.
Like I already said here, I indeed had a reason why I chose SOG above the others.Infection wrote:I always wonder why it's called the RVS, because the votes aren't really random, unless you're rolling a dice, which neither Zazie nor semioldguy did.Sotty7 wrote:Why is that weird? In the random stage I often see people "random" vote each other.
It's weird because there's always a reason behind a "random" vote. That reason could be distancing since the vote was reciprocated. No, it's not a strong scumtell, but it's something.
Your defense of SOG/Zazie is noted.
It's a tie between you and Zazie, but probably Zazie since you're at L-1.SOG wrote:Infection: You still haven't made a vote. If you had to make a vote in your next post who would be the most likely person you'd vote for?
No, it was not a pressure vote for him to post.ZazieR wrote:So, it was not a pressure vote for him to post? Just random?semioldguy wrote:I don't see any links that can conclusively be made between any two players yet. As I saw it, it was still the random voting stage.ZazieR wrote:"Because Kise unvoted Infection" gives me the impression that you think they might have the same allignment aka being scum together.
Though it can also be an extra part to the second part explained below.
"Infection still hadn't posted yet" gives me the impression that you wanted to pressure him with this vote in order for him to start posting.
(asking for clarification)
To the first part I agree. I don't believe in random votes, even people who “roll dice” I don't fully trust. RVS is just basically a term to get the game going where you are voting for people for little to no reason. I voted semi because I have played a bunch of games in a row with him. In RVS I often see people end up voting each other, normally in a OMGUS fashion. I don't see anything weird about it right now. Maybe down the road if one flips scum or something we can look back at it as possible distancing. But even then, it's a pretty weak link in my opinion.Infection Post 53 wrote:I always wonder why it's called the RVS, because the votes aren't really random, unless you're rolling a dice, which neither Zazie nor semioldguy did.Sotty7 wrote:Why is that weird? In the random stage I often see people "random" vote each other.
It's weird because there's always a reason behind a "random" vote. That reason could be distancing since the vote was reciprocated. No, it's not a strong scumtell, but it's something.
Your defense of SOG/Zazie is noted.
I know you're in the hotseat, so to speak, but I just want to step in and say how much I don't like this question. It seems like a way to flip the script on someone. And I don't mean to defend Infection, but there's no telling if he's even willing to vote for someone. Everyone could be townie in his eyes.semioldguy wrote:Infection: You still haven't made a vote. If you had to make a vote in your next post who would be the most likely person you'd vote for?
I don't really consider myself to be in the hotseat. Sure, I have two votes, but they were both placed there in the random voting stage. I'm not too concerned right now about those votes being there at such an early stage of the game.Kise wrote:I know you're in the hotseat, so to speak, but I just want to step in and say how much I don't like this question. It seems like a way to flip the script on someone. And I don't mean to defend Infection, but there's no telling if he's even willing to vote for someone. Everyone could be townie in his eyes.semioldguy wrote:Infection: You still haven't made a vote. If you had to make a vote in your next post who would be the most likely person you'd vote for?
Well, he answered SOG's questions, so I don't see why that first part was needed when you could just look at his answers to see if what you think might be true. He has said that he'd either vote me or SOG, but most likely me as SOG is L-1.Kise wrote:I know you're in the hotseat, so to speak, but I just want to step in and say how much I don't like this question. It seems like a way to flip the script on someone. And I don't mean to defend Infection, but there's no telling if he's even willing to vote for someone. Everyone could be townie in his eyes.semioldguy wrote:Infection: You still haven't made a vote. If you had to make a vote in your next post who would be the most likely person you'd vote for?
It won't do any good to try to find connections in this game because in the last VM threads I read, the mafia usually don't even show their cooperation in public. It's a certain mindset that they get into, so the best bet to nail mafia would be to watch for slips.
Anyone else read up on old VM games? What kind of hints would you offer, if you have read up?
I noticed that the Godfather is the most humble/quiet one in the bunch.
Kise wrote:semioldguy - Probably unvotedInfectionZazieRto take away the L-1 status, although HE was in L-1 as well and none of his voters pulled off. This is likely the case of people simply not caring to unvote for SOG. But I do understand where Infection is coming from, because it's as if SOG didn't want to chance ZazieR being lynched. I probably would not have trusted Infection as well, but if Infection was intent on lynching a townie, I'd think that the smart assumption was that Infection was scum looking for a quick-lynch, in which case he'd be deserving of a VK. On the flipside, Infection has either proven himself to be town by not being hasty, or SOG was protective of ZazieR for a good reason.
Also, I got good news, gang: I got accepted to play Death Note mafia!!!Congratulate me!
How would this prove him to be town? I don't think scum would be any more likely of being hasty than town as far as hammering is concerned at the very beginning of the day.Kise wrote:On the flipside, Infection has either proven himself to be town by not being hasty, or SOG was protective of ZazieR for a good reason.
Nope, I did not assume such connection. I mentioned this pair due to SOG's vote reason. It seemed to me as if he thought of such pair.Kise wrote:ZazieR - Wants clarification a lot, lol... From what I gather, you assume there's a connection between Infection & myself (if that's the case, what I have to say about Infection may not help to dispel this notion). It took her a while to figure out why I put her in L-1 (my little test). I'm more surprised no one asked why I didn't just drop the hammer on SOG since he was already in L-1. In fact... isn't he still in L-1? I have a neutral viewpoint on ZazieR.
I find it strange that you think this logic is true, as I already found an example that this isn't true during my first attempt at finding an example (sorta, as said scum player is one of the players who can get lynched, which was what happened):Kise wrote:Consider the rules -- Automatic win for town if GF is lynched; otherwise, town wins when all mafia threats are eliminated.
In the scenario that Infection is mafia, he could have hammered a townie. From there, the VT would either kill Infection for being hasty (obv-scum) or tried to somehow guess who Infection's partner is, despite the fact that Infection had not shown teamwork with anyone else since it was his 1st post. Thing is, the VT would have had no traces as to who else besides Infection could be mafia, so if Infection was killed by the VT, then his scum partner could still have lived on and played with the other 2, knowing that a connection-link with Infection was non-existent. From there, the remaining mafia could do his part to ensure he wasn't lynched and also try to convince the VT of not killing him.
Maybe it's just the way I'm thinking, but in the situation I purposely set up for Infection on page 1, I would have taken the hammer if I was thinking like mafia.
So that's why I say Infection may have proven he's town. But let's not put words in anyone's mouth.
