Edit By Way Of PostFatedLunar wrote:What's EBWOP? I'm learning quite a bit about play here from the wiki, but never came across that one before.
True, and like I said, I'm probably wrong.CancerBottle wrote:Kard8p3 wrote:Well, we all have games in which we are terrible Townies. But I don't use those games to excuse scummy behavior.CancerBottle wrote:Indeed, besides it's possible that he is a scum, but he did not deliberately play that way in previous games, so he's using this to his advantage. Or maybe I'm looking to much into this; either way, I'm sure I'm wrong somehow.ChannelDelibird wrote:This is a bit of a reach, don't you think? I mean, I don't see Kard suggesting that you have deliberately played scummy as town in a previous game, only to be able to cite that playstyle in other games.Kard8p3 wrote:Are you suggesting that I would deliberately do something that might be suspicious as town in the past so that I could do it again as scum and be able to give evidence that it's something I do as town?
In any event, metas have very limited use for scumhunting in my opinion.
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I have to disagree with this. I think metas can be very useful, they should just be used with caution. People's playstyles can change drastically between games as they learn and develop their own style. I often look at people's past games and meta, although I don't think I can do that with many people this game, with all you newbies.CancerBottle wrote:In any event, metas have very limited use for scumhunting in my opinion.
Sure, I'd like to see those newbie games.ChannelDelibird wrote: Regarding the quote itself, I just wanted to make sure that nobody gets the wrong impression that the IC is some kind of specifically-town adviser, that they have to look at me just like any other player, and the assurance that I'm not scum was just me joking around. If you'd like I can go and find a couple of newbie games where I've said that as town.
I'll use this post to respond to FoShizzle. Note the bold.FatedLunar wrote:What's this "meta" thing you guys are referring to? *confused*
I have to agree with FoShizzle though in that people'splaystyles do change over time, as they improve in the game. (not like it matters in this game so much, since most of us are new).
OK then. I used to, as an IC, start my first posts by posting three lessons for the newbies, and always added andFoShizzle wrote:Sure, I'd like to see those newbie games.ChannelDelibird wrote: Regarding the quote itself, I just wanted to make sure that nobody gets the wrong impression that the IC is some kind of specifically-town adviser, that they have to look at me just like any other player, and the assurance that I'm not scum was just me joking around. If you'd like I can go and find a couple of newbie games where I've said that as town.
You don't see him doing that? A couple of posts before the above quote, he responded to me asking him if he was suggesting that, and he said:CancerBottle wrote:This is a bit of a reach, don't you think? I mean, I don't see Kard suggesting that you have deliberately played scummy as town in a previous game, only to be able to cite that playstyle in other games.
So Kard, I would like to make it clear that I consider it bad form to play deliberately badly in some games to try and get some benefit in a future game. I play each game to the best of my ability.Kard wrote: I do indeed believe you could have deliberately done that, but I could be(and most likely am) wrong. I will just have to wait to find out.
I know I'm biased in this case, but I think you're reading too much into it. Which is tempting - it's day 1, there's not a lot to go on - but not really important.Kard wrote:Indeed, besides it's possible that he is a scum, but he did not deliberately play that way in previous games, so he's using this to his advantage. Or maybe I'm looking to much into this; either way, I'm sure I'm wrong somehow.
This is true, but though this is probably the wrong kind of game to bring it up, the greatest change in playstyle is usually in a player's first few games. Having been here a lot longer, my playstyle has become pretty standardised, I think.FoShizzle wrote:I have to disagree with this. I think metas can be very useful, they should just be used with caution. People's playstyles can change drastically between games as they learn and develop their own style. I often look at people's past games and meta, although I don't think I can do that with many people this game, with all you newbies.
Don't worry, the pace is a little slower than that yet. Lurking isn't usually considered until someone doesn't post for at least three days or so. (On the other hand, "active lurking" is something you can look out for - when someone posts just enough to look active but isn't actually saying anything)Kmd wrote:Hmm, who hasn't posted so far? Just bgg1996? I wonder if s/he's lurking, or just not here?
I know. I tried to word my post to make it clear that I was responding to the possibility, rather than an outright accusation.Kard8p3 wrote:CDB, I did not outright say "I think you did that on purpose" I said there was a possibility that played like that, knowing you could use that to your advantage later.
Really? You put the meta tactic out there first. Which, for reasons already stated in this thread, is dubious. Yet, you frame Kard's suspicions with this dubious tactic, thus weakening his suspicions.ChannelDelibird wrote:You don't see him doing that? A couple of posts before the above quote, he responded to me asking him if he was suggesting that, and he said:CancerBottle wrote:This is a bit of a reach, don't you think? I mean, I don't see Kard suggesting that you have deliberately played scummy as town in a previous game, only to be able to cite that playstyle in other games.
[sarcasm]Be wary of those who lynch and leave.[/sarcasm]bgg1996 wrote:I vote ChannelDelibird.
I mentioned the meta "tactic" of playing suboptimally in the past to gain an advantage in the future because I thought that was what he was implying in his post. Let's take another look at that post:CancerBottle wrote:Really? You put the meta tactic out there first. Which, for reasons already stated in this thread, is dubious. Yet, you frame Kard's suspicions with this dubious tactic, thus weakening his suspicions.ChannelDelibird wrote:You don't see him doing that? A couple of posts before the above quote, he responded to me asking him if he was suggesting that, and he said:CancerBottle wrote:This is a bit of a reach, don't you think? I mean, I don't see Kard suggesting that you have deliberately played scummy as town in a previous game, only to be able to cite that playstyle in other games.
Maybe I've misinterpreted here. I thought this was suggesting that I might haveKard wrote:Nah, you don't have to link me, as you could be a scum, therefore, if someone pointed out what you said, you could simply link them to old games to throw them off your trail.
This point might be stronger if I was voting for Kard right now, but I'm not. My motivation for discussing this in the first place was a) to defend myself against a FoS and b) to defend my integrity as a player my making it clear I wouldn't intentionally play any less than my best game in past games in order to gain an advantage now.CancerBottle wrote:The problem I have with your interpretations is they undermine Kard's suspicions by insinuating his reasoning is silly and unreasonable, which it isn't. If you are scum, then this would provide you a base on which to rally a lynch on him later in the game.
I'm not suggesting you're doing things you'd normally do as town, I'm suggesting you're trying to attribute a line of thought that is scummy to another player, thus making that player look scummy.
And attributing scummy reasoning to another player, especially when it isn't there, is scummy. If that makes any sense.