Open 156 - Friends and Enemies - Game Over before 816

[Alduskkel]

Vote Count #23
Kise (2) - ekiM, muzzz
ZazieR (2) - Kise, Santos
Sho Minamimoto (1) - Debonair Danny DiPietro

4 to lynch.

Now seeking a replacement for ZazieR.

[muzzz]

This is just great. We've got three people catching votes, and not a single one of them has a decent response to the accusations.

[Alduskkel]

Santos has been prodded. I'm very upset with the slowness of this game, FIX THAT.

[Kise]

I promised to read over the whole thread so I can offer a real opinion. School happened to start around the time of my statement, so I'm pretty screwed.

I think I'll at least read how my replacement played so I can account for whatever he's said.

[Kise]

Thankfully, he already has a page-by-page review that I can follow at a decent length. Santos looks terrible here. Believing a cop is in an open set-up, evading questions, switching logic around inexplicably... Your only saving grace is meta. Everyone read you wrong in Skywalker, so.. I think you should become a D1 policy lynch, honestly (unless you & me happen to be partners of course).

Unvote; Vote: muzzz

I investigated him last night. Vote now, Santos.

In all serious, this vote is because you've done next to nothing this entire game.. NOOOOTHING, besides being a human-wikipedia and explaining Sho's mathematical jargon. Out of all those questions you've asked people to keep them busy, what have you concluded about everyone's alignment? Are you trying to have regular conversations, or is this scumhunting? If this is scumhunting, how has it paid off? You're virtually trying to figure out everyone's thoughts. If you could tell what you've learned from these questions, and how much relevance it has to this game and finding mafia... appreciated

[Sho Minamimoto]

I think Santos is scum, but why are you voting muzzz instead? (Or is the Santos stuff a side note and you really did investigate muzzz?)

[Kise]

Someone else answer that.... I can't pick myself off the floor

[ekiM]

Hi all, sorry for not getting on over the weekend. I will try to catch up this evening.

[Santos]

Lack of game participation is not my fault here, mod. lol I voted ZazieR.

So Kise is using meta and is essentially saying I'm clear. He votes muzzz, claims cop. I am inclined to follow, but now I just feel insulted by Kise as a D1 policy lynch just because I'm terrible during D1's :p

[Santos]

Oh, by the way, is ZazieR replaced or am i jumping at shadows with the lack of activity in the game thread?

[muzzz]

I've gotten you to drop your crappy case on Zazie and OMGUS me. Without actually addressing any of the arguments against you, or your case.

Of course, I need to see you hang for this to prove anything. But yeah, I'm willing to go out on a limb and call that succesful scumhunting.

@Sho & Santos: there is no cop. Go stand in the corner.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I think Santos is scum

, but why are you voting muzzz instead? (Or is the Santos stuff a side note and you really did investigate muzzz?)

Then why aren't you voting him?

[Kise]

This game has been stalling for so long that people forgot it was an open set-up.

@muzzz - That's it, really? Thanks for proving my point. You've kept others busy but never went anywhere with the answers everyone else gave you. Raivann (and I believe another dead player) also did good to spot how you were coasting.

Yes, the case about Zazie outing the masons is dropped because I see that he said Toro was itac's partner

after

he already said this. Does that mean Zazie is cleared in my eyes? For no particular reason, no, Zazie is not cleared.

So, why you? Because you've only agreed with the cases of others and haven't been active in leading town with any cases -- only pointing out how you feel about what others have concluded. Am I certain that you're the only player who does this? Nearly. Santos obviously is being himself. DDD is just above you as far as actively pursuing a case. Sho is not frequently pursuing cases, but he did great to follow up on his suspicions of itac & raivann. eKiM might have noticed how Sho is falling back, ala Post 524. Zazie & eKiM have made legit, substantial posts. I do agree to that. I rank them as the top 2 as far as productivity (fuck irony), but my experience with Zazie tells me that he's equally as active as both town & mafia (which goes back to my stance that Zazie never lives long when he's town because the mafia, if familiar with him, always get rid of him as early as possible). I can tell eKiM's post are heartfelt. Nothing contrived, no lies.. his opinions come across as very natural.

I currently suspect you [muzzz] for not instigating relevant responses from others and other bits here & there where you don't have game-relevant discussion (i.e. trying to find scum), and DDD for also ranking low on productive discussion (I'm still hung up on you expecting us to have blind faith and vote for Raivann earlier in the game). I wouldn't mind putting Santos in that pool. If he's scum, then his meta is to thank for him slipping by my suspicion.

[Kise]

Yes, a complete 180 it would seem. That's what happens when I take the time to read over what I missed. It happens. Get over it.

[Santos]

haha

[muzzz]

@Kise: no, that's not "it". That's just the part that shows you're ignoring everything I said today in an attempt to make your OMGUS seem credible.

[Santos]

LLLLLYYYYNNNNNNNCCCCCHHHHHHH ZazieR!!!! Do it for the win!

[ekiM]

Kise looks better to me now he's actually participating. I could forgive his comments on rejoining the game today as possible lazy town.

Sho has done nothing pro-town since I was last voting him. He's said he won't defend himself, and said he thinks Santos is scum without reasons. He hasn't voted.

Unvote; vote: Sho Minamimoto

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Santos, can you sum up a case on Zazie in a few bullet points? That that player slot hasn't been active for weeks really bugs me, but I remember thinking Zazie was his usual self when active.

[ekiM]

Mod and others: I will be V/LA Fri 25th to Sun 27th.

[Sho Minamimoto]

Kise looks better to me now he's actually participating. I could forgive his comments on rejoining the game today as possible lazy town.

Sho has done nothing pro-town since I was last voting him. He's said he won't defend himself, and said he thinks Santos is scum without reasons. He hasn't voted.

Unvote; vote: Sho Minamimoto

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Santos, can you sum up a case on Zazie in a few bullet points? That that player slot hasn't been active for weeks really bugs me, but I remember thinking Zazie was his usual self when active.

Defended myself? The case DDD made doesn't conclude I'm scum nor does it even come close. Additionally, I am basing my read on Santos on another game we just finished. Santos was pretty lazy most of the game, but he actually played well and made a few points here and there. He even complained about lack of activity by the confirmed weak watcher, but here, he's guilty of barely participating and doing a half-assed job in scum hunting since I fail to see a case on zazier other than zaz's existence, which is unusual apparently, but that isn't good enough given the circumstances this game. Therefore, Santos looks scummy.

[Santos]

Yeah, I'm bored.

MOAR VOTES ON ZAZIER for reasons I've stated earlier this game.

[Alduskkel]

Mod and others: I will be V/LA Fri 25th to Sun 27th.

Noted.

And a whole day without posts? You guys make me sick. I'd shorten the deadline if it weren't for the fact that ZazieR needs replacing.

[muzzz]

Can we just lynch Kise already? His slot's been in on both mislynches, and he's spent today making two cases that're both built on him ignoring everything that happened.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Can we just lynch Kise already? His slot's been in on both mislynches, and he's spent today making two cases that're both built on him ignoring everything that happened.

I'm tempted, but how about you come over and help Mike and Me get Sho lynched.

[Kise]

Being on all lynches is not always a tell. In fact, it is more common for scum to distance themselves from the 1st mislynch.

muzzz, I'm not ignoring anything. I've went through every page and filtered the fluff (like yours). After 2.5 months & 25 pages, I'm sold on my 2 suspects (3 if you count Santos). Where do you go after me, muzzz? Who else have you looked at, or are you waiting for someone else to open up a case?