Newbie 843 (Game Over)

[Kyiv]

Maybe if I hammer again, he'll come back?

Vote: Zach

[Zachrulez]

Maybe if I hammer again, he'll come back?

Vote: Zach

That hurt enough the first time.

[Kyiv]

Maybe if I hammer again, he'll come back?

Vote: Zach

That hurt enough the first time.

Poor Zach =(



....

Vote: Zach

*Whistles nonchalantly*

Messages sent. Hohum may be going through some personal stuff right now, so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt in this case.

If he's in the States, he might be away on Thanksgiving too.

[hohum]

Zachrulez,

Mafia Goon

, Lynched, D3

[hohum]

It is now night 3. Night actions due in 72 hours.

[hohum]

Day 4 begins, nobody died through the night.

Good luck!

With 5 alive it's 3 to lynch.

[PaltryExcuse]

Who did you protect manho?
Who did you investigate Mr. Finch?

[Mr Finch]

As promised during Twilight, I investigated Starbuck.

Unfortunately I have not had a response to my investigation from the

MOD

.

Well, as we have one scum left, I can see no point in a non-kill night so my guess would be that Manho protected during the night.

If I were the scum I would have gone after the cop or the the doc. As we are both alive I reckon the scum went for me and Doc protected.

We'll wait to see what Manho says though.

[Mr Finch]

Having looked again, the MOD hasn't even picked up my PMs. I have two sat in my outbox, one from 25 November (just after I replaced into the game) and then the night investigation.

[PaltryExcuse]

Ya, I would say it was a successful save by manho... I guess we'll wait on the Mod and manho to deliver some news.

[Kyiv]

As promised during Twilight, I investigated Starbuck.

Unfortunately I have not had a response to my investigation from the

MOD

.

With that statement, I think Tubby/Mr Finch is cleared... I can't imagine scum making that up. So your theory of mutual bussing is more or less absolved Paltry, unless you have other concerns? And Mr Finch, it's entirely possible you were roleblocked, but I think you get a response for that too?

So with all the conditionals met or broken, the lynch today is me or Starbuck. Mr Finch could not be cop without Manho being doc, and everyone believes he is doc because of the no NK night 1, and now because Tubby claimed roleblocked cop. Paltry is most likely to be town (because of the protect and no NK) and considered so by everyone. (Just in case you forgot over the long night XD )

Also with 3 to lynch, one scum left, 4 townies still about, and with one dispensable I think Town has more or less won this game. The only option I have in my spot is to:

Vote: Starbuck

I may even go back and Iso-read her and Meji-Fan... depending on how forgiving my other games are... but your choices are me or Starbuck, and either of us can die with a town victory. Anything anyone can bring to the table should do so

now

.

[PaltryExcuse]

Ya, I'm inclined to agree with that logic. I'll just wait until manho comes back and gives us his results... just in case he saved Starbuck and the whole world implodes.

[PaltryExcuse]

Screw it.

Vote: Starbuck

[Starbuck]

So what is the logic that I'm scum? I really don't understand it.

[PaltryExcuse]

The logic for me is this: Either you or Kyiv are scum at this point.
manho is cleared, without a doubt. Tubby / Mr. Finch claimed he was roleblocked night 1. Only way manho could be scum is if he was scum with Tubby / Mr. Finch.
2. Zach is scum.
3. There are only 2 scum (I know, redundant)
Therefore, manho is not scum, and is doctor.

If you assume there was a kill night 1. I am cleared, as manho claimed to protect me that night.

So it becomes the question of, do I think Zach / Tubby were mutually bussing one another. No, I don't. I've had more than enough time to mull it over. If you could give me some indication as to this, I'll change my vote.

Therefore, you or Kyiv are scum. With 5 alive and 1 scum, we have 2 lynches. I have 2 choices. You're just going first.

[Mr Finch]

With 5 alive, three to lynch, Starbuck's at L-1.

So, Paltry, Kyiv, Starbuck, manho and myself. We're just waiting to hear from manho on his night action and the MoD on my night action.

That said, If I haven't heard about my NA then I doubt that Manho has either.

[Starbuck]

Sitting at L-1, I will claim and I am a Vanilla Townie.

It seems really odd to me that Kyiv and Paltry would jump so fast for a quicklynch. Longer days are better for the town.

[PaltryExcuse]

Is there a downside to my logic? I mean, Day 3 I was going through and deciding between Zach and Tubby for scum, and I've come to the conclusion that they aren't bussing. From my point of view we pretty much have this in the bag.

So I will ask you:
Do you think I've been scummy? Do you think there was a night kill night 1?
A yes to the 2nd question means I've been cleared in your mind.

Do you think Mr. Finch's slot is scummy? Do you think that tubby and Zach were bussing one another?
A no to the second question means Finch has been cleared in your mind.

[Kyiv]

Well, okay. I'll build a case, if that's what Starbuck wishes.

Looking through Meji-Fan's iso read, she never mentions Zach once. Well, once, but it was more to implicate Wrath in Day 1 rather than to state anything about Zach's play. Also, her RVS vote-hopping were all on semi-confirmed townies: Manho (RVS), Soyasushi(RVS), and Tubby, then back to Manho, before putting Wrath at L-1. Then she is the first on Bjl's case, and nearly disappears when Tubby and manho take over.

This is curious though:

But Im happy with Wrath now, just dont want to accidentally hammer before the 'good at end of day' scumlists appear

Why would a scumlist stop her from hammering someone s/he believed to be scum? Would a scumlist help change her mind about her lynch target? I can't believe so. I believe she was trying to get scumlists out of people like Tubby and Manho and use them to her advantage (Note: this isn't me taking a stance on scumlists). And that isn't too far-fetched either, considering how easily swayed manho is (near doc-claim at beginning of D2). That's my case on Meji.

Zach's connection:

Yeah, I have a confession to make. I've been waivering on my scum read of Cookie. In a situation where scum needs any other lynch to survive, him changing his vote from me doesn't really make any sense as scum.

At the moment, the fact that Starbuck is not voting is sticking out like a sore thumb to me, so yeah, with the deadline fast approaching why haven't you found it important to fully catch up and take a firm stance?

Unvote: Vote: Starbuck

Pure distancing. As we now know Zach is scum, and Cookie is town, we can of course see the mountainous amount of distancing himself from the lynch Cookie lynch here. Also, he attacks Starbuck just before deadline, knowing fully well that his vote would not carry any weight. So here, Zach is not only attempting to distance himself from the lynch, but also distance himself from Starbuck.

In D3, Zach is asked for his possible second scum suspect. He chooses Me and Starbuck, much like Tubby. He posts a couple sentences on Starbuck, then lays out a huge case on me. And then he flips scum... if you were scum and you were about to die, who would you put a stronger case for, your partner? Hardly.

Lastly, Starbuck, I think Zach has outed you here:

Starbuck could have hammered as well could she have not?

Besides, lynch today is me or you. I'm not going to vote for myself.

[Mr Finch]

By my calculation we have 3 weeks until deadline for a lynch. That takes us to around Dec 24 as the mod was late in opening the thread for day 4.

I see absolutely no reason for a quick lynch and really want to wait for manho and the mod before I make a decision.

[Kyiv]

Uh-oh. I think Manho needs a prod.

[manho]

sorry for not being here, i'm busy with final exam these days.

i've protected Mr. Finch last night.

[manho]

i agree with the plan to lynch starbuck today and kyiv tomorrow to have a win.

[Kyiv]

Yay! Manho is still here!

[Mr Finch]

Right, I have just heard the result of my night investigation and I got no result.

I think, therefore I was roleblocked and, as I'm still here then I was protected and the scum attempted to NK me too.

So, where does this leave us (trying to write this out for me to understand as much as anyone else!)?

4 town, 1 scum.

If we mislynch today then we're at 3 - 1. NK on 1 town, we're at 2 - 1.

Starbuck (potentially) today.
Night Kill - Town - Probably myself or Manho.
Day tomorrow - ?? Kyiv?

What do you reckon guys?