Newbie 843 (Game Over)

[Meji Fan]

You have to decide that for yourself

Theory A - it provides a good way to share information and think about things
Theory B - it provides targets for scum

[Soyasushi]

Another between-classes slip.

Seems that lrd has been replaced. Welcome, crazypianist.

*cough*What kind of Newbie Game is this? Six mafia scums, 1 goon and 2 townspeople.*cough*

[tubby216]

Any idea whether creating scumlists are good for discussion or not?

lists of suspicion are goodbut are usually better when done close to the end of the day.

[manho]

a LoS is a bit anti-town imo, it provides target for scum to mislynch and kill.

@crazypianist, are you from AoPS? i know another crazypianist there. btw, my name is 142857 there.

[david-villa-7]

Welcome crazypianist even if its a bit late.
heres a question that spaked discussion in one of my other games;
@ all- who do you prefer playing, town or scum?

[Meji Fan]

Er, david, you DO realize you have yet to make a single game related contribution? And more questions

FoS david

Also, answer your own question first

[yernab]

Wow, really? Are smilies that big of a deal? Personally I don't see any way that the use of smilies could be seen as either town or mafia, and being friendly towards a person that just voted me isn't something I can really see as a scumtell, either. God forbid we actually try and have

fun

during this game, apparently. I suppose I'll play it safe and go into Vulcan-mode for the remainder of the day.

While my initial post might (understandably) seem a bit odd to the more experienced players, I stand by it. Not necessarily for the content, but for starting the discussion that was so blatantly absent before my posting. I knew there would be a risk that I'd be under suspicion simply by making the first post of substance, and I bear the brunt of that suspicion now without too much complaint. I could have played it safe and lurked, or done single-line posts like david-villa has done. However, I felt that getting a discussion going, even if it does turn around on me would be pro-town any way you slice it.

So no, I don't mind suspicion based on the relatively weird, WIFOM-y original post I made. But c'mon guys, you're wasting time sleuthing about

smilies

? I don't see how that can help us at all, to be honest. Think about it.

[WrathofShadows]

Anyone can post a smiley. Since we don't have the advantage of facial expressions or verbal emphasis, it makes it virtually impossible to figure the true meaning (town being nice vs. scum disguise)

FoS

Manho.

I want to see what information i can gather from his response..

[Meji Fan]

What did manho do out of curiousity?

[Soyasushi]

Chill, yernab. Why so desperate? You aren't the one under the most suspicion here, yet you are getting so desperately defensive. Are you trying to hide something?

The smilies aren't exactly a tell, but it just gives me some sort of feeling. But that's not the main reason I'm voting for you. In your post, you tried to shift everyone's attention to how ridiculous my "smiley" argument is (even though it was just a one-liner in my post in the previous page), which also means you're trying to shift everyone's attention

away

from my main points.

P.S. What's a Vulcan Mode?

[crazypianist1116]

@crazypianist, are you from AoPS? i know another crazypianist there. btw, my name is 142857 there.

Yes I am.

I can't believe you are all arguing about SMILEYS They're SMILEYS not scumtells

[manho]

Anyone can post a smiley. Since we don't have the advantage of facial expressions or verbal emphasis, it makes it virtually impossible to figure the true meaning (town being nice vs. scum disguise)

FoS

Manho.

I want to see what information i can gather from

his

response..

who is that "he"?

[Soyasushi]

@crazypianist: We're not arguing about smileys. I just put it in my argument as a passing remark, but yernab's the one making a big deal out of it. That's why I believe he's scum trying to draw attention away from my main points and concentrating on the smiley point.

[tubby216]

@crazypianist: We're not arguing about smileys. I just put it in my argument as a passing remark, but yernab's the one making a big deal out of it. That's why I believe he's scum trying to draw attention away from my main points and concentrating on the smiley point.

agree with this post.

[hohum]

Official Vote Count:

tubby216(2): Meji Fan, manho

yernab(2): Soyasushi, tubby216
Meji Fan(1): Zachrulez

Not Voting(4): david-villa-7, crazypianist1116, WrathofShadows, yernab

With 9 Alive it takes 5 to lynch

[Soyasushi]

I will be keeping an eye on tubby until he shows us what his awesome 'strategy' is. Had he been a newbie I would've accused him of distancing without a second thought, but being a player who's been here for more than a year, I doubt he would be so careless as scum. Then again, it's WIFOM...

[Zachrulez]

a LoS is a bit anti-town imo, it provides target for scum to mislynch and kill.

Isn't this kind of mindset a bit anti-discussion? Want to go into detail about why suspicion lists bother you?

[WrathofShadows]

@Meji-Manho didn't do anything suspicious, but that for me makes me suspicious. everyone says something to set someone else off at some point and i was just trying to see what reaction he'd have to it. Unfortunately, a brush-off isn't much of a tell one way or the other

@Zach- I'm in agreement with manho on this one. A list is more likely to put people on the defensive as well as allowing the mafia to see exactly where people have drawn the lines in their heads about other players. This hurts the town more than the scum, since town gets defensive and scum sees just who they can target to cause the most chaos and/or avoid suspicion

[Zachrulez]

@Zach- I'm in agreement with manho on this one. A list is more likely to put people on the defensive as well as allowing the mafia to see exactly where people have drawn the lines in their heads about other players. This hurts the town more than the scum, since town gets defensive and scum sees just who they can target to cause the most chaos and/or avoid suspicion

Town gets defensive and scum does not? We draw the lines in our heads anyway when we take positions, mafia can already see more than we can. If we don't explicitly state who we find suspicious, mafia benefits, not town.

Afterall, scum have to fake their suspicions do they not?

(I'm not trying to say you should make a complete list of where every player stands in your head, but a top 2-3 works pretty good.)

[david-villa-7]

Er, david, you DO realize you have yet to make a single game related contribution? And more questions

FoS david

Also, answer your own question first

sorry i have very limited access and i try to post whenever i can
as for answering my own question i prefer town because i played one as scum and failed. also i like trying to find scum instead of knowing who they are from the start.
anyone else gonna answer this question?

[WrathofShadows]

Town gets defensive and scum does not?

I wasn't saying the scum doesn't go on defense, my point was that a list puts more information out on the town than on the scum. Gives em a free shot if things match up enough between different people.
Suppose there are a couple people that others seem suspicious about. The mafia may use that to their advantage to remove the competition without ever exposing themself/themselves.
THAT is my problem with using scumlists in the first place.

BTW, Vulcan Mode, from what i can figure, is a complete and utter lack of emotion

[Soyasushi]

@WoS: I disagree. In fact, scum get defensive more commonly due to the fact that scum are more afraid of getting lynched than town. However, now that I've posted this...

And does that mean it's better for me to take my own notes and create my own scumlists but not share them just yet, since there are mafia in the mix? I guess so.

@David: Having never played as scum before, I can't say for sure which one I prefer. However, this current game is already very fun and challenging for me as town. I'm not too sure if scum would be more fun.

[tubby216]

@ash,
sorry i thought i answered that question then i realized it was in that "other Game" lol.

but to me it doesn't really matter wich scum or town. I would prefer i guess a serial killer role that its like a solo win. but we don't to worry about those in the newbie que.

[tubby216]

also i wanna appologize i will try to get into this game do a real thorough read tomorrow and post thoughts before sat.

[Meji Fan]

David - Im not really sure which I prefer, everything is good

Soyasushi - Ive seen very very defensive townies, noone likes being lynched. Also, as town, you should try very hard not to be lynched, after all, you are certain you are not scum, so anyone who isnt you is thus a better lynch (more or less) - that said, the best way to defend yourself really is to find someone who is a better choice. If all your doing is saying 'Im not scum! Smilies are not important!' etc, it doesnt provide a better option. Find who is scum and explain why they are scum

Also, that way if you got lynched anyway, at least you provided hopefully useful insights that after the flip are revealed to be not lies

If you can keep notes on the game, its a cool thing, but Im to lazy