Mini 852- Crayola Catastrophe Game Over (Post 1158)

[ZazieR]

Post 76 (Budja) –

Zaz Reminder

[ZazieR]

Anyone who tries to vote for someone because they have an unreadable color will earn my vote from this point forward. There are much easier ways to deal with being able to read them (such as highlighting all their text with your mouse).

A silly blanket statement that can't be enforced.
You can't lynch someone based solely on them voting for a person over an off color.

Nor did you follow up on your apparently hollow threat. I voted you for an even more ridiculous reason, and yet you shrug if off as a random vote. I already made a random vote. And you were already calling out people with their random votes. And yet you ignore a blatantly obvious post that is right up your alley? Is that because it was targeted towards you? You didn't want to OMGUS yourself especially after calling someone else out on it with your NEXT post after my vote?

I like this argument that Socio used in Post 77. SoG’s post that follows doesn’t explain this as he didn’t change his vote at all in the post that he’s describing. Why didn’t you do so,

SoG

?

[ZazieR]

Chambers L-3 comment did look like a typical scum-trying-to-look-town comment for one.

Elaborate.

[ZazieR]

I thought it would look like I was stretching my original intent and that would look bad

. I didn't want to make an additional excuse for a poor vote. Even moreso because I saw something that was more worthy of comment. So I commented on that instead as it would be more productive and progress the game/scumhunting

Regarding the bolded: Seems somebody is scared to get attention.

[ZazieR]

Posts 87 and 88 –

Zaz Reminders

You guys are basically calling for a policy lynch on chamber, which is just as anti-town as the claims you have of him. Even players who play in anti-town ways will have tells that will out them when they are scum as opposed to town. Policy lynching avoids and ignores actual scumhunting.

Zaz Reminder

[ZazieR]

Post 96 –

Josh

, what’s rather irritating?

[ZazieR]

Post 98 – Don't like the talk of Chamber (me) being a powerrole by

GreenDude

. Looks like fishing. This gets also discussed in Post 103

[ZazieR]

Having a scummy meta and then defending those scummy actions in game with a cry of "but thats my meta!" is also scummy.

No, it’s not.

[ZazieR]

Post 121 – Scummy post from

Bunny

. First of all, acknowledging that it’s Chamber’s playstyle. The part about Budja shows some serious fence-sitting. And as SoG already asked, explain the part about Sociopath.
But now for the thing that is really scummy. The part about SoG. Reason stated that he’s scummy is the vote jumping. Yet, she agrees that Chamber’s playstyle is scummy and she can see the Budja case. Meaning that she thinks that SoG had good reasons to switch votes, yet still sees it as scummy. Explain why.

[ZazieR]

Post 137 – Scummy. Will elaborate later.

[ZazieR]

So my list would be as follows:
Scummy - SoG, Manzcar and to a lesser extent Budja
Neutral to Leaning scummy: Bunny, Pome, GD and Josh (Need to post more to get a better impression)
Who?: Nacho
Towny: Socio, Kirby and Chibo.


If you haven't posted yet, congratsulations ^.^ You won't be punished as the 'Spam fest' is over now

[semioldguy]

What's the point to all the self reminders and the "elaborate later" type comments? I don't like that at all. If you have something to say either say it now or keep it to yourself until it's relevant, hinting at it does the town no good and is only a distraction.

[semioldguy]

Post 27 – Why the ‘warning’,

SoG

?

Because I didn't want people making a useless vote for that reason. I thought it better to warn than to not warn. As if I didn't warn and just voted someone who said that it could be seen as an excuse to vote that person rather than an excuse to vote that reason. It's more difficult for people to try to frame or misrepresent me if I provide a warning declaring my intentions. It also ends the random voting.

Post 32 – Scummy from

SoG

for pointing out a possible breadcrumb.

In my experience I've seen more breadcrumbs from scum than I have from town. I am also against breadcrumbing entirely, for reasons already mentioned.

Post 60 – Though Kirby gave multiple reasons what he didn’t like about a certain post of Chamber. You,

SoG

, didn’t do so, but you do state that you agree with most of Kirby’s points. Why didn’t you point these reasons out then?
Also, can you re-phrase the last sentence?

I felt that I did, but that he just stated them better. As for rephrasing I thought it was pretty straightforward. He issued an ultimatum/challenge to the town, that in itself is scummy and was deserving of my vote. This was prior to the meta defense of chamber and the ultra-fast wagon.

Anyone who tries to vote for someone because they have an unreadable color will earn my vote from this point forward. There are much easier ways to deal with being able to read them (such as highlighting all their text with your mouse).

A silly blanket statement that can't be enforced.
You can't lynch someone based solely on them voting for a person over an off color.

Nor did you follow up on your apparently hollow threat. I voted you for an even more ridiculous reason, and yet you shrug if off as a random vote. I already made a random vote. And you were already calling out people with their random votes. And yet you ignore a blatantly obvious post that is right up your alley? Is that because it was targeted towards you? You didn't want to OMGUS yourself especially after calling someone else out on it with your NEXT post after my vote?

I like this argument that Socio used in Post 77. SoG’s post that follows doesn’t explain this as he didn’t change his vote at all in the post that he’s describing. Why didn’t you do so,

SoG

?

This was already explained. I said that I would vote for the next person to do X. SocioPath didn't do X, he did Y. Therefore, I did not vote for him. Yes, X and Y are very, very similar, but they are not the same.

I thought it would look like I was stretching my original intent and that would look bad

. I didn't want to make an additional excuse for a poor vote. Even moreso because I saw something that was more worthy of comment. So I commented on that instead as it would be more productive and progress the game/scumhunting

Regarding the bolded: Seems somebody is scared to get attention.

If that were true, which it isn't, then why would I point it out and bring attention to it myself?

[Kirbyoshi]

X and Y are very, very similar, but they are not the same.

The difference between X and Y is the difference between male and female.

But seriously, although Zaz raises some good points against you, you've defended yourself well enough. As of right now, I'm not getting a scum vibe from anyone. Top of my list would probably be

Manzcar,

but that's probably because I'm blinded by the fact that it seems like I'm the only one he ever attacks.

[semioldguy]

Pointing out a breadcrumb isn't scummy. Scum would benefit more from keeping quiet about it and just silently killing that person during the night.

[Budja]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 34#1879634

[Budja]

V/LA for two-three days from now

[GreenDude]

@zazier: When the thread was posted and before the pms were sent out I asked the mod if there was any other color than yellow because yellow is unreadable.

I wasn't exactly role-fishing, I was suggesting a theory, but it was wrong.

[Manzcar]

Post 137 – Scummy. Will elaborate later.

Please elaborate now. You took the time to make the post take the time to validate your claim. I would like to know how it is scummy. I don't see anything scummy there. Statements without reason do nothing for the town.

Kirby I don't find you scummy it just seemed lazy to me for you to want others to tell you who to vote for. Which is how I took your statement.

[semioldguy]

Please elaborate now. You took the time to make the post take the time to validate your claim.... Statements without reason do nothing for the town.

I agree completely.

[Josh Lyman]

What's the point to all the self reminders and the "elaborate later" type comments? I don't like that at all. If you have something to say either say it now or keep it to yourself until it's relevant, hinting at it does the town no good and is only a distraction.

Please elaborate now. You took the time to make the post take the time to validate your claim.... Statements without reason do nothing for the town.

I agree completely.

I agree. Posting "reminders" to yourself in a public thread seems ..... I don't know, less than Town. Surely you have the means to keep notes to yourself on your own computer, or perhaps a piece of paper, or maybe scrawling in crayons on the wall.... It just seems to be shitting up the thread for no apparent reason.

[Josh Lyman]

Post 31 – Scummy from

Josh

due to calling a player out on lurking on the same day (At least, in my time) that the game started.

You missed the part where I said "semi-random" -- right?

I acknowledge I should probably quote the post I'm responding to.

Post 96 –

Josh

, what’s rather irritating?

The content of the post just two posts back from my post, thus:

I just asked to be replaced out because the people in this game don't seem to enjoy the way I play. I hope you don't hold it against whoever replaces me, as it is something I do as all alignments.

I just found it irritating that he got criticism for his "style" of play (or, rather, lack thereof) so he decided to take his marbles and go home. I expect that from a three-year-old, not a Mafia player.

[Josh Lyman]

Sorry for not posting #170 in my color. I forgot.

[semioldguy]

Vote: ZazieR

[semioldguy]

Sorry,

Unvote; Vote: ZazieR