Open 185 v2.0: JK9 (Game Over)

[Qooq]

If nobody had counterclaimed csl, do you think he would have been lyched?

I don't think he would've been lynched tonight. Tonight, meaning, December 9th, 2009. We would have had more time, that I am sure of. I am not arguing that it was better than a counterclaim, in fact, there is a chance this counterclaim could be much, much better than waiting and delaying a lynch, but who is to say we couldn't have counterclaimed after debunking his claim a bit?

Finally, I asked people not to back off. I wanted to have everyone commenting on this situation to get better reads. I dont feel confortable with going to night in page 4, even if we have found one scum.

If you didn't want someone to be lynched on page 4 (do page numbers have some sort of significance to you, by the way?) then why call for a counterclaim? If anything, something like a counterclaim would speed up the lynch process exponentially, like it has here. I guess I'm just not understanding your mentality. Paraphrasing from my point of view, you want the topic to be fully discussed, yet you propose a rather extreme idea that inspires a lynch whose logic you fully agree with.

I am the Jailkeeper.

I won't use my action tonight because I think the tracker has better odds to pick my killer whereas I could accidentally block the tracker. So on with the lynch!

Use your action on me tonight.

Umm... any chance for further explanation? That came out of left field. As far as I understand, we don't have a lot of time during twilight so the quicker the better.

[populartajo]

I don't think he would've been lynched tonight. Tonight, meaning, December 9th, 2009. We would have had more time, that I am sure of. I am not arguing that it was better than a counterclaim, in fact, there is a chance this counterclaim could be much, much better than waiting and delaying a lynch, but who is to say we couldn't have counterclaimed after debunking his claim a bit?

Because its not optymal. As you realize, not forcing a counterclaim will make us lose time and probably give more time for scum to think about the situation, more probs of messing with the claim, etc.

If you didn't want someone to be lynched on page 4 (do page numbers have some sort of significance to you, by the way?) then why call for a counterclaim?

more page numbers = more posts = better reads. I think this is pretty easy to understand.

The ask for a counterclaim play is pretty much the optymal play in these situations. It either gets us a confirmed town we are about to lynch or we get a confirmed scumbag. If nobody had counterclaimed, csl would pretty much had survived the day, we would prob have lynched town and we would prob be in the same situation we are today.

If anything, something like a counterclaim would speed up the lynch process exponentially, like it has here. I guess I'm just not understanding your mentality. Paraphrasing from my point of view, you want the topic to be fully discussed, yet you propose a rather extreme idea that inspires a lynch whose logic you fully agree with.

those two things are not mutually exclusive. The best example is me not voting for csl even I think he is lying. I explained in my post that I would vote him after all the players expressed their opinions on the sitaution. If he is scum, as I strongly lean, we have another one to catch and Im pretty sure you dont have reads on all the players.

[populartajo]

I am the Jailkeeper.

I won't use my action tonight because I think the tracker has better odds to pick my killer whereas I could accidentally block the tracker. So on with the lynch!

Use your action on me tonight.

Umm... any chance for further explanation? That came out of left field. As far as I understand, we don't have a lot of time during twilight so the quicker the better.

Actually, no explanation here. We dont need to know more.

[mykonian]

we do need that information: if CSL comes up as scum, ginzk is the jailkeeper. Now then, if Ginzk gets killed, the person she blocked is confirmed town. Ginzk needs to claim who she blocks, as the roleblock becomes somewhat investigative in this case.

If Ginzk doesn't claim, we'll have to assume she chose Joe (please do so, so we don't accidentaly see him as confirmed without reason). If you want someone else, which would be nice, please post it in thread.

[Trumpet of Doom]

Vote Count 1.4

CSL (5 == LYNCH) - mykonian, GinzkeyPlatz, kyle99, joe478, Qooq

GinzkeyPlatz (1 == L-4) - drowmage

Not Voting (3): Chaco, populartajo, CSL

5 votes are required to lynch, 3 at deadline.

[Trumpet of Doom]

The day opens with a flurry of accusations, but discussion soon drops. Eventually, mykonian suggests CSL is being less than fully open about his allegiances. Three others agree with him.

"No, no, don't kill me! I'm the one with the lockdown codes!" cries CSL.

GinzkeyPlatz quickly responds, "Bull.

I'm

the one with the lockdown codes."

The eight of you rush into CSL's office and attack, beating him to a pulp. It isn't until after he's dead that one of you thinks to check his inbox. It turns out that, while he couldn't actually shut someone off for a night, he was still on your side. You head back to your room, harrowed and unsure of what awaits the next morning.

CSL, Vanilla Townie, Lynched D1

It is now Night 1. Actions are due in 72 hours.

[Trumpet of Doom]

populartajo has requested replacement. He will be replaced by curiouskarmadog.

Due to RL commitments, I will probably end night at about midnight tomorrow night (~30 hours from now). - ToD

[Trumpet of Doom]

You wake up the next morning, unsure what to expect. You log in and notice another computer's been removed from the system.

mykonian takes roll. "Chaco, you're here; kyle99, you're here; GinzkeyPlatz... GinzkeyPlatz..." He stops. "Uh oh. drowmage, you wanna check on her?"

"Sure," replies drowmage. She gets up and runs to GinzkeyPlatz's room; when she gets there, she tells the rest of you, "Yeah, she's dead. And it looks like she was the one who could protect people from kills."

joe478 asks, "Can you get the codes?"

"Uhh... no. They're in a locked file."

Well, damn.

GinzkeyPlatz, Jailkeeper, killed N1

Vote Count 2.0

Not Voting (7) - joe478, mykonian, curiouskarmadog, Chaco, Qooq, drowmage, kyle99

7 alive means 4 to lynch, 3 at deadline.

[curiouskarmadog]

I have replaced in, but havent read the thread yet...will get to that in the next couple of days.

[mykonian]

vote Joe

He must have known CSL or ginzk fakeclaimed, and by asking to be roleblocked, he made it seem like he had nothing to fear for. Indeed, he didn't have, he could let his companion make the kill.

[kyle99]

vote Joe

He must have known CSL or ginzk fakeclaimed, and by asking to be roleblocked, he made it seem like he had nothing to fear for. Indeed, he didn't have, he could let his companion make the kill.

That was definatly a weird play, I guess he meant that so he could "appear" to be more genuine by offering to be jailed, but he could have just let his partner make the kill. I doubt that he thought he was in any actual danger, so I don't know why he would ask for that.

FoS: Joe

[Chaco]

After a quick read, Joe can most likely go. No rushing though.

[joe478]

He must have known CSL or ginzk fakeclaimed, and by asking to be roleblocked, he made it seem like he had nothing to fear for. Indeed, he didn't have, he could let his companion make the kill.

One of them did fakeclaim, I seriously thought one of them was scum (CSL) so I thought if GinzkeyPlatz jailkept me then I would have been cleared and it would have been one more townie alive, unfortunately CSL was town.

[mykonian]

He must have known CSL or ginzk fakeclaimed, and by asking to be roleblocked, he made it seem like he had nothing to fear for. Indeed, he didn't have, he could let his companion make the kill.

One of them did fakeclaim, I seriously thought one of them was scum (CSL) so I thought if GinzkeyPlatz jailkept me then I would have been cleared and it would have been one more townie alive, unfortunately CSL was town.

aaaaand why would you want to be confirmed? Why would you want to look towny?

[joe478]

So I don't get stupidly voted out and so we have less people to choose from when looking for scum.

[joe478]

V/LA from now till friday

[kyle99]

V/LA from now till friday

Till friday? That's almost a week...

[joe478]

I know but I have some camp that has no internet access

[kyle99]

I know but I have some camp that has no internet access

If your going to be gone for a week, you should probably ask for a replacement.

[joe478]

Ok

Mod Replace me

If I get backand there is no replacement I will continue playing though

[Trumpet of Doom]

For the record, I don't have a problem with a week-long V/LA in an active game (though I'm not convinced this qualifies). However, since he asked, I will begin looking for a replacement for joe478 (and drowmage, too, while I'm at it). - ToD

[Chaco]

This game died when Saber self hammered.

[populartajo]

Someone send me a PM when this game is over.

[Qooq]

This game died when Saber self hammered.

Is Saber CSL?

I don't know what to say, honestly. A scummy-looking townie claimed JK to try and save his life and got counterclaimed by the actual JK who got killed by the mafia overnight. Cool.

I'm not sure the logic behind the joe lynch is quite right, though. Let's pretend joe is scum for a moment. We know that neither CSL or Ginz were his partner and he would obviously knew that, too. When they both claimed JK he would have known that one was a townie, and one was the actual JK (unless both of them were false-claiming). What would be the point of drawing attention to himself like that? I'm not seeing it.

[mykonian]

So I don't get stupidly voted out and so we have less people to choose from when looking for scum.

You missed the "why you" part of the question

and Qooq, you are right: now I

unvote vote drowmage

. Lurking drowmage is not good.