Open 186; Jungle Republic (Game Over)

[bigmc109]

whoa whoa whoa...

lets slow this down a bit and have some conversation...what is everybody's hurry?

BG did you know that your vote was putting him at -1? If so, why didnt you mention it? If so, why did you ask for a claim?

unvote.

I think this addressed at me....

If it is, no, I missed MR's vote on saber. Though, seeing as you unvoted, I'm keeping my vote on.

[dank]

That's pretty much irrelevant though. saber stated he has asked permission to self-hammer and if one more player voted for him he was going to do it. That's basically L-1 and that's all that really mattered.

L-2 is not L-1. Saber has since said that he was not going to gambit this game and has repeated that multiple times (though I agree, his word can't really be trusted).

Nonetheless, I dont like how you're sitting on the sidelines, not voting anyone, yet throwing out silly accusations like putting someone at L-2 is "basically" putting someone at L-1. Do you think this was scummy? If so, why aren't you voting them? Why aren't you voting anyone?

unvote, vote: hewitt

[Lynx The Antithesis]

This is ridiculous. Saber is flaunting his potential to self-hammer in front of us. I'm not going to let that possibility ease anything on him. His threat should not intimidate anyone into letting his actions slide by. The guy claims he's not threatening to do it while referencing games where he has poorly hammered. Then, he says in thread that he's pming mith about doing it. It's not townie behavior and does not go along with your win condition. Just because you have done it as town does before does not mean you should be considered town everytime you pull this card out.

[Lowell]

Anyone unvoting saber after his behavior is crazy.

He's asking for it, and deserves it. More to the point, no one has explained to me why him threatening to self-hammer makes him town.

unvote, vote saber

[Scott Brosius]

Can we just get him replaced?

[saberwolf]

Can we just get him replaced?

nope


I actually haven't done anything to go against my win condition, so I've still been playing the game. Suck it up princess. I also haven't done anything wrong either...All I've done is a lot of talk and no action...see how I'm not self-hammering? You guys really are dumb...lmao

[GinzkeyPlatz]

I can't replace out, or I lose the bet.

If you guys were to lynch me, then I cannot possibly flake out of the game, fulfilling my primary condition.

My secondary condition is to win this game as town.

You're also playing this game over a bet? And you're saying that the conditions of the bet (flaking, not replacing out?) outweigh your normal actions for your alignment?

Is this how you are still going to play?

[saberwolf]

I can't replace out, or I lose the bet.

If you guys were to lynch me, then I cannot possibly flake out of the game, fulfilling my primary condition.

My secondary condition is to win this game as town.

You're also playing this game over a bet? And you're saying that the conditions of the bet (flaking, not replacing out?) outweigh your normal actions for your alignment?

Is this how you are still going to play?

I'm trying not too, but yeah. This was one of the few games I was actually considering trying in, but I really don't care if I get lynched day 1. I can then just delete the game and work on getting myself lynched/kick some ass and win in another game.

[dank]

saber, lets give usefulness a try.

who do you suspect, based on their reactions so far? Everyone's put in a fair deal of posts by now, so if you're going to try in this game, could you point out anything you've noticed/that's stuck out in the last few pages?

[saberwolf]

saber, lets give usefulness a try.

who do you suspect, based on their reactions so far? Everyone's put in a fair deal of posts by now, so if you're going to try in this game, could you point out anything you've noticed/that's stuck out in the last few pages?

will do. Give me a few minutes.

[saberwolf]

have you guys seen open 185?

everyone jumped on me in the RVS and I self hammered by post 18...they didn't like that...

unvote, vote saberwolf

Let's see your self-hammer.

This is one of my scum picks.

He isn't contributing anything pro-town. He actually wants to see me lynch myself. He doesn't care about alignment, he just wants to see somebody gone. Scum fit all of this criteria.

vote: MR

Lynx is also suspicious for being on my BW despite saying his vote was not a policy vote

FoS: Lynx

[curiouskarmadog]

twas L-2, ckd

if it takes 7 to lynch and he had 6 votes...what am I missing?

[curiouskarmadog]

whoa whoa whoa...

lets slow this down a bit and have some conversation...what is everybody's hurry?

BG did you know that your vote was putting him at -1? If so, why didnt you mention it? If so, why did you ask for a claim?

unvote.

I think this addressed at me....

If it is, no, I missed MR's vote on saber. Though, seeing as you unvoted, I'm keeping my vote on.

how exactly did you miss the vote?

calling bullshit on this statement..you read enough to think saber is WIFOMing it up, but did read enough to catch a vote that was very obvious.

first lie here, children

vote bigmc109

[curiouskarmadog]

also, I want everyone to comment on my last post...if you dont, I want to know why.

[curiouskarmadog]

calling bullshit on this statement..you read enough to think saber is WIFOMing it up, but did read enough to catch a vote that was very obvious.

this is suppose to read..."but didnt read enough to catch..."

[ZEEnon]

Vote Count:

saberwolf:

Budja, Lynx The Antithesis, Memorable Raindrops, bigmc109, Lowell

Memorable Raindrops:

Scott Brosius, saberwolf

Lynx The Antithesis:

GinzkeyPlatz

Lowell:

Paradoxombie

hewitt:

dank

bigmc109:

curiouskarmadog

Not Voting:

hewitt

With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline: December 23rd, 2009 at approximately 10 p.m.

[Memorable Raindrops]

have you guys seen open 185?

everyone jumped on me in the RVS and I self hammered by post 18...they didn't like that...

unvote, vote saberwolf

Let's see your self-hammer.

This is one of my scum picks.

He isn't contributing anything pro-town. He actually wants to see me lynch myself. He doesn't care about alignment, he just wants to see somebody gone. Scum fit all of this criteria.

vote: MR

I've made one non-RVS post, and I think you're the scummiest. Plus, I never said I just wanted to see ANYBODY gone. I just meant that I don't mind lynching you. Anybody and ONE person are two different words.

From your "Ã

[dank]

twas L-2, ckd

if it takes 7 to lynch and he had 6 votes...what am I missing?

We had 5, check the vote count directly above your unvote post.

That said, bigmc's vote was not L-1. However, his assertion that he "missed" MR's vote is a bit suspicious, and could be a good excuse to put saber in a quick lynch position. Nonetheless, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, since its early in the game, and most of us aren't being all that careful with our votes either (we're just out of rvs).

[Budja]

unvote

I would really like to see Saber replaced (or get his priorities straight).

• Overall, have fun & play to win!

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vote:bigmc109

I endorse this wagon.

Its one thing putting pressure on Saber, its another putting him on L-1 (especially with his attitude).
Basically, I agree with CKD.

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CKD, Lynx, Scott are looking town.

[curiouskarmadog]

twas L-2, ckd

if it takes 7 to lynch and he had 6 votes...what am I missing?

We had 5, check the vote count directly above your unvote post.

That said, bigmc's vote was not L-1. However, his assertion that he "missed" MR's vote is a bit suspicious, and could be a good excuse to put saber in a quick lynch position. Nonetheless, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, since its early in the game, and most of us aren't being all that careful with our votes either (we're just out of rvs).

ahh, you are right, i counted MR's vote as two separate people when counted the votes....

so, he wasnt at -1.....but that being said, the I "missed" the vote seemed like a lie....if he was following the game and was worried about the vote count(ie wanted to get a claim first), he would have known the vote count...

instead he was just looking for a quick bandwagon.

[bigmc109]

twas L-2, ckd

if it takes 7 to lynch and he had 6 votes...what am I missing?

We had 5, check the vote count directly above your unvote post.

That said, bigmc's vote was not L-1. However, his assertion that he "missed" MR's vote is a bit suspicious, and could be a good excuse to put saber in a quick lynch position. Nonetheless, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, since its early in the game, and most of us aren't being all that careful with our votes either (we're just out of rvs).

ahh, you are right, i counted MR's vote as two separate people when counted the votes....

so, he wasnt at -1.....but that being said, the I "missed" the vote seemed like a lie....if he was following the game and was worried about the vote count(ie wanted to get a claim first), he would have known the vote count...

instead he was just looking for a quick bandwagon.

You're voting me for misreading when you did the exact same thing? Saying that I was "worried" about the vote count is a misrepresentation of my position. While it's true that I wouldn't have voted him if I knew it would put him at L-1, I wasn't exactly scouring the topic double-checking every vote. I made a mistake, shish.

Now for some actual scum hunting. I'm not liking sabrewolf at all. In addition to the whole self-lynching thing, I don't like his two attacks. I think Lynx's posts have been very pro-town so far (see 77) and MR was early enough in the BW to not seem scummy going for the easy target. Though I will admit I wouldn't mind the attack on MR so much if he hadn't posted since then, so it might be a nulltell.

[Scott Brosius]

bigmc- This is how saber plays. It's completely null in my opinion. I am not sure why you keep pressing the issue though.

CKD- I think the continuing attempt to lynch saber on fairly weak ground is scummier behavior than the potential lie about the missed vote.

What does everyone think about lynching lurkers? I'm usually against it D1 since if that person is town, there are limited interactions to go off of, but in this setup we have 5/12 people being anti-town. It is easier for us to hit scum aiming for lurkers by basic probability. I would be more willing to lynch a scummy lurker in this setup than others.

[bigmc109]

@SB: What issue? I attacked his arguments, not his play. I mentioned his lynch me thing as part of my argument against him, but his reads were my main problem.

As far as lynching lurkers goes....I just don't know if it would be that effective considering it's been said out loud.

[Scott Brosius]

Yes, the last post was the first time I saw you attack his arguments instead of his standard play style.

People will still lurk regardless of discussion about it.

[Lynx The Antithesis]

Lynx is also suspicious for being on my BW despite saying his vote was not a policy vote FoS: Lynx

Why does the vote have to be a policy vote to be on your wagon? It has nothing to do with previous games or your particular style. Just your play this game so far.

vote:bigmc109
I endorse this wagon.

What exactly do you agree with about the wagon?

bigmc- This is how saber plays. It's completely null in my opinion. I am not sure why you keep pressing the issue though.

This is the exactly the attitude that simply excuses his play as "just saber." This is precisely what I am afraid of with Saber.

CKD- I think the continuing attempt to lynch saber on fairly weak ground is scummier behavior than the potential lie about the missed vote.

Then why aren't you voting one of the scummy wagoners on Saber?

What does everyone think about lynching lurkers? I'm usually against it D1 since if that person is town, there are limited interactions to go off of, but in this setup we have 5/12 people being anti-town. It is easier for us to hit scum aiming for lurkers by basic probability. I would be more willing to lynch a scummy lurker in this setup than others.

I'm very against this unless we have absolutely no other option such as being under a deadline. And who do you consider being anti-town?