Mafia 108 - Mafia With The Quickness - over!

[Netopalis]

KMD: I dislike it, but I realize that the game has to start somewhere. This game has a deadline which is too short to use random questions, and I still haven't finished up my random question list, at any rate. Honestly, most of the early game in Mafia stymies me - I play with logic and like to have every vote justified. So, I try to not interrupt the early game and let those who are actually good at it play - I'll jump in a lot more when the game favors my playstyle a bit more.

[SaintKerrigan]

@ Bogre: Why so serious? Didn't you see the joke in my first vote?

By the way, Haylen's obvscum. I mean, look at her new avatar. How could you possibly lynch that face?

On a more serious note, I'll parrot KMD and ask Neto why he voted Maemuki when he hates random voting.

[SaintKerrigan]

ninja'd by Neto.

[SaintKerrigan]

@ Neto: What do you consider superior about RQS over RVS? (Sorry for triple post)

[Maemuki]

Sorry I'm late, I was doing a work. Stupid Natural Sciences teacher. I already had a 100%, what more do you want? [/rant]

Anyway.

Vote: Annachie

, 'cause you haven't posted yet. Lurker.

@ Netp, why is RQS > RVS?

[Maemuki]

Ninja'd. And I misspelled Neto, sorry. Let me get some coffee. I'm pretty sure I didn't get misspelled right, too.

[Kmd4390]

Netopalis, why was your vote better than voting on the bandwagon?

Sorry I'm late, I was doing a work. Stupid Natural Sciences teacher. I already had a 100%, what more do you want? [/rant]

Anyway.

Vote: Annachie

, 'cause you haven't posted yet. Lurker.

@ Netp, why is RQS > RVS?

The game started an hour ago. Why are you apologizing? And why restate a question already asked?

[Haylen]

Unvote Vote Netopolis

RQS can be used to get into townies minds in order to find out what they find scummy. I've seen it done before, and the scum ended up winning because it was used against them.

[Netopalis]

I have a theory about Mafia. Essentially, Mafia is a game of information. Most information, when out in the open, assists town (Obviously, some of it assists mafia too, like the identities of power roles). In my opinion, the random vote stage generates false information. Experienced players will ignore votes coming out of the RVS, while inexperienced players will panic. This panic is read as scummy, and that leads to the lynch of the inexperienced player. This explains why D1 lynches are statistically worse than random.

Unfortunately, there have not been enough games using the random question system to give a good statistical analysis. My initial research shows, though, that it has more often led to town victories. Most of the games that I have read in which the random question system leads to a mislynch are due to the town lynching the questioner for going against the established norm of the site. With more question games, this stigma would be alleviated.

Therefore, I feel that random question is superior, as it does not give out flawed information. Scum will definitely need to lie in order to answer the random questions cromulently and the responses can be analyzed in a logical and calm manner.

[Maemuki]

The game started an hour ago. Why are you apologizing? And why restate a question already asked?

It's on my nature, I apologise for being 5 minutes late. So?

And that's because I didn't see SK's post.

[Incognito]

Vote Count #1 of Day 1

Bogre (3) <-~ Gayle, Glork, Zachrulez
Maemuki (1) <-~ Netopalis
Haylen (1) <-~ SaintKerrigan
Netopalis (2) <-~ Kmd4390, Haylen
SaintKerrigan (1) <-~ Bogre
Annachie (1) <-~ Maemuki

Not voting (4) <-~ Annachie, camn, Netlava, Ellibereth

With 13 alive, 7 votes will do it.

Saturday, January 9th at 2 P.M. EST

[Kmd4390]

I'm getting better. Page 2 and I have 4 pretty solid reads. Neto and Mae as scum. Haylen and Saint as town.

[Netopalis]

Sorry, that post took so long, it seems that 5 people posted in between.

I voted Maemuki based on the generation of a random number selection of people not on the bandwagon. I chose not to follow the bandwagon for reasons described in the first paragraph of my previous post.

[Netlava]

Vote: Maemuki

Something about Neto's & Haylen's posts (referring to mae) make me think Maemuki is scummy, plus the fact that Maemuki apologized in her first post.

[Netopalis]

I'm getting better. Page 2 and I have 4 pretty solid reads. Neto and Mae as scum. Haylen and Saint as town.

On what grounds? Some MD-style discussions? Many good players loathe random votes - most begrudgingly accept it, as evidenced by the number of threads in MD which attempt to find ways to get around the necessity of random votes in the early game.

[Maemuki]

I'm getting better. Page 2 and I have 4 pretty solid reads. Neto and Mae as scum. Haylen and Saint as town.

*claps slowly* Way to go - Saint is voting your town read and Haylen is voting with you. Bravo, bravo.

[Maemuki]

plus the fact that Maemuki apologized in her first post.

It's on my nature, I apologise for being 5 minutes late. So?

[Haylen]

Mae, come on MSN now, I miss you

[Kmd4390]

I have a theory about Mafia. Essentially, Mafia is a game of information. Most information, when out in the open, assists town (Obviously, some of it assists mafia too, like the identities of power roles). In my opinion, the random vote stage generates false information. Experienced players will ignore votes coming out of the RVS, while inexperienced players will panic. This panic is read as scummy, and that leads to the lynch of the inexperienced player. This explains why D1 lynches are statistically worse than random.

I disagree. Well, to an extent. I don't think the player who "panics" is always the lynch. But poor play does often lead to being lynched Day 1.

This is starting to feel like a Marathon game lol. I kinda like it.

[Netopalis]

But you understand my point, I take it? That RVS is not a good predictor of who is scum?

[Maemuki]

Mae, come on MSN now, I miss you Sad

*touched* You...miss me? I'm going to cry. *cries*

Ok I'm all better now carry on.

This is starting to feel like a Marathon game lol. I kinda like it.

QFT.

[SaintKerrigan]

Haylen, I have to disagree with you on this one. RQS, in my mind, is used to determine the responses of people to the questions asked of them. I've used it myself as town, so it isn't always scum-driven.

In other news,

Unvote: Haylen. Vote: Netlava.

Something about his post just rubbed me the wrong way...just kidding. My beef with Net is that he voted Maemuki for a very vague reason and for apologizing (obviously a nulltell). Feels opportunistic.

[Kmd4390]

The game started an hour ago. Why are you apologizing? And why restate a question already asked?

It's on my nature, I apologise for being 5 minutes late. So?

And that's because I didn't see SK's post.

Did you feel like you were expected to be here for the game's start? If so, why?

I voted Maemuki based on the generation of a random number selection of people not on the bandwagon. I chose not to follow the bandwagon for reasons described in the first paragraph of my previous post.

Why not say so when you voted? You said no reason. And how is that any better than some kind of useful vote that we can actually talk about?

On what grounds? Some MD-style discussions? Many good players loathe random votes - most begrudgingly accept it, as evidenced by the number of threads in MD which attempt to find ways to get around the necessity of random votes in the early game.

Well, you:
-commented on the wagon, but avoided it
-random voted when you said you don't like random voting
-used the above as a reason for avoiding the wagon
-used a random number generater, but told us your vote had no reason

Mae:
-Seems to feel like she was expected to be here for the game's start (nervousness point=scum point)

I don't see a reason to elaborate on my town reads. Ok, posting this then finishing catching up.

[Maemuki]

Did you feel like you were expected to be here for the game's start? If so, why?

Well yeah. I'm known to be a lurker - if you didn't know that, you do now. I talked to Incog and he let me in as long as I didn't lurk. I thought it would be better if I was here for the start because of that.

[Bogre]

@Netopalis:

Any comments aside from RVS theory?