Newbie 893 - Newbieland! (GAME OVER)

[Honest Abel]

Also, I'm trying to figure out whether Pomegranate's misinterpretation of RayFrost's post was truly accidental or secretly purposeful. I thought it was very clear that RayFrost was talking about me being sensitive to a second post; he didn't seem to say bandwagoning was scummy, just that being defensive from a second vote was scummy.

[RayFrost]

My vote was cuz he[insertrestofusernamehere] needs 2 posteh

[Pomegranate]

Also, I'm trying to figure out whether Pomegranate's misinterpretation of RayFrost's post was truly accidental or secretly purposeful. I thought it was very clear that RayFrost was talking about me being sensitive to a second post; he didn't seem to say bandwagoning was scummy, just that being defensive from a second vote was scummy.

In a game like this, where it only takes five to lynch, we need to be careful. Three votes means Hetemans was already at L-2. If, for example, none of the scum were on the wagon, then if the both placed their votes quickly, the could quicklynch him. Then we would go into night, without much info to go on tomorrow.

So yeah, we need to be careful.

[RayFrost]

PPPP is appealing to fear.

Stupid, the scumteam must be, to lynch at l-2.

Scum doing so would lead to town win.

In fact, I'd

love it

if scum did that just once.

And town that did it would have to be retarded.

So yeh.

[Pomegranate]

PPPP is appealing to fear.

Stupid, the scumteam must be, to lynch at l-2.

Scum doing so would lead to town win.

In fact, I'd

love it

if scum did that just once.

And town that did it would have to be retarded.

So yeh.

Obviously scum wouldn't do that. It'd be too obvious- we'd lynch them both on D2 and D3. But I'm pointing it out, since it

can

be more subtle than that, and since a lynch is closer than in 12 player games.

[RayFrost]

Eh, worrying about l-2 is foolishness.

[Pomegranate]

No, it's not. Get with the program.

[RayFrost]

Sorry Madame, I Should Not Dare To Disagree With You.

I Will Refrain From Doing So In The Future.

[RayFrost]

After All, You Are Right, And There Is No Way That I Could Possibly Be Correct.

[Pomegranate]

At least we're clear on that.

[RayFrost]

After All, A Domineering Personality That Is So Obviously Unnecessary Will Have No Adverse Effects Upon Quality Of Play, Especially When The Personality In Question Is Also Stubborn And Unwilling To Compromise Or Admit Incorrectness.

[Pomegranate]

As long as your doing what I say, how about you stop with the capitals?

[RayFrost]

Of Course, As You Are The IC, You Are Infallible, And, As Such, We Should All Follow Every Word You Say And Bow Down To Your Great And Immense Experience In The Field Of Successful Mafia Playing.

Please Teach Us, Oh Wise One.

[RayFrost]

On Another Note, Your Unwillingness To Have A Debate Regarding The Relative Risks Of L-2 Show A Few Things, Such As That You Intend To Maintain An Aura Of "I Am Always Right," Which Is A Very Effective Shield For Scum To Hide Behind In A Newbie Game.

Unvote, Vote: Pomegranate

[Pomegranate]

Actually, I thought I wouldn't have to make the 'There is the same probability that I'm scum as anyone else ' speech, but apparently I do.

We all have the same chance of being scum, which is 2/9. So no one should assume that anyone is confirmed town, unless the potential cop says so.

[Hetemens]

Excuse me for my newbieness, but what is L-2?

[Pomegranate]

L-2 is lynch-2, or 2 more votes to lynch someone.

Example: Hetemens is at L-2. (Not anymore.)

[Hetemens]

Okay. I was pretty sure it had something to do with lynch, but I wasn't sure. Thanks!

I'm really not sure who to agree with: Frost or Pomegranate. You both make sense, as you should. Pome is appealing to fear, but Frost is pointing out how stupid it would be, which makes me think it might be the whole " It's so stupid no scum would ever do it." Let me think about this one. Pome seems less suspicious at this point.

[RayFrost]

^-- False Dichotomy In That It Is Not Required That PPPP And Myself Be Of Opposing Alignments.

[ThetaSigma]

I find RayFrost's attitude most disagreeable.

*Still playing with Yoyo*

[ThetaSigma]

Unvote, Vote: RayFrost

[RayFrost]

There Is A Certain Point In Time Where I Become Annoyed And Or Frustrated.

By Typing With The First Letter Of Each Word Capitalized, I Am Able To Maintain More Control Over Myself, As It Slows My Typing Speed Considerably.

In Addition, I Would Like To Request That ThetaSigma Provide Valuable Content And Aid In Scumhunting.

I Dislike That Pomegranate Has Misconstrued / Misrepresnted What I Said To Mean That She Is Using Her Status As IC To Proivde Immunity.

I Was Being Sarcastic In That

Singular

Post.

What I Posted Afterward Is More My Issue With What She Has Displayed.

By Being Extremely Aggressive And Domineering, It Is Very Easy To Cause People (Particularly Newbies) To Back Down From An Argument.

In Addition, It Can Be Relatively Simple To Play Aggressively And Seem To Be Actively Scumhunting When You Are Just Taking An Abrasive Tone With Small Attacks On Individuals.

I Do Not Find It Helpful For Town To Be Domineering In This Way. Although I Do Not Know If Pomegranate Intends To Do This, I Feel That It Is Important To Make The Possibility Known Before It Happens.

[RayFrost]

Unvote, Vote: RayFrost

I Find That Votes Without Reason Past The Random Voting Stage Are Of Poor Value, As They Provide No Reasoning With Which To Convince The Town.

Care To State Your Reasons For Believing That I Am Scum?

[ThetaSigma]

I don't believe there is enough evidence on the table to build a case against -anyone-. However, it seems as though you -are- attempting to vilify Pom. That is, however, what I meant by your attitude being disagreeable -- I would have amended my vote onto that post, as I'd forgotten to put it in, but couldn't find a way to edit. So I assumed that people would make the connection.

I'll be more careful next time.

As far as contributing "Valuable Content And Aid In Scumhunting" goes, I frankly do not wish to contribute to the lynching of an innocent and am thus hesitant to draw judgement without further assessing the situation.

[RayFrost]

unvote, vote: thetasigma

As I'm less annoyed with Pome right now, I'd like to point out that theta just

admitted

to wanting to avoid attention / not helping in scumhunting / not providing content deliberately.

I find this is scummy for a few reasons that I Feel are obvious but will state regardless.

1. Scum wish to avoid negative attention (newb-scum may extend this to -all- attention)

2. Scum wish to get mislynches while not actually being a direct part of it so as to avoid blame

3. Scum don't need to scumhunt, so they don't try to help even if they try to seem like it.