Mini 931: Supreme Court Mafia (Game Over post 682)

[Netopalis]

I say that for things like Dry-fit's response, which shows a weakening towards your position because she apparently feels that you're just generally an anti-town player. Eventually, it builds up and you can get away with more...or you improve somewhat and remove all suspicion entirely.

ANSWER THE QUESTION

[jasonT1981]

My conversation starters are soooo much more fun then question lists.

Someone in this room is trying to kill them, but the only people in the room that are not justices are the two attorneys and the secret service agent..

Have you read this bit from the OP netopolis?

But that still does not allude to a seriel killer as you say

Setup is interesting I think. The CIA agent is the serial killer obviously, but who are the mafia?

So answer the bloody questions... what makes you think there is a SK?

[jasonT1981]

Also, why if you were going from the write up did you not just say that in the first place? THIS is why people are suspicious, you are giving vibes that you have inside info on the set-up that others do not know. as you think the set up is 'Interesting'

[Netopalis]

My conversation starters are soooo much more fun then question lists.

Someone in this room is trying to kill them, but the only people in the room that are not justices are the two attorneys and the secret service agent..

Have you read this bit from the OP netopolis?

Of course I have, but you said

CIA

agent, not secret service. Why did you say that? If it was from the OP, why not just say that instead of saying that there's a reason but that we don't want to know it?

[Jack]

You weren't far off in your suspicion Net. Except your confirmation bias was twisting it the wrong way (but conf bias is a town tell so it's ok).

That first post was my version of the conversation starter. The fact that there was no CIA agent in the setup gave me an "out" once the starter had run it's course. Proof that it wasn't a scumslip, basically. That it was just made up.

[Netopalis]

What? That doesn't mesh with your later concealment. If you just lied this whole time, why the whole charade?

Confirm vote: Jack

[Jack]

Why didn't you reveal your method for determining if the answers were suspicious before everyone had answered your questions?

[Netopalis]

Because it would change how everybody else answered. That's not an answer. Why did you make the claim to begin with?

[Bub Bidderskins]

Jack, whether or not Net made up the reason on the fly is irrelavent to the fact that you are still not answering the question. While I can see that possibly the secret service agent is the serial killer and the lawyers are the mafia, but how do you

know

that to be the case.

In other words:

ANSWER THE QUESTION

[Bub Bidderskins]

PS. Net, I hope that copying and pasting your comment doesn't make me like Jack .

[DarkLightA]

Setup is interesting I think. The CIA agent is the serial killer obviously, but who are the mafia?

I'm sorry, where did it say that there is a serial killer?

I'm still curious where you determined the CIA agent is "obviously" the serial killer?

I'm afraid you guys are on a need to know basis. And right now, you don't need to know.

You only think you do. I'm (apparently) the only one who sees that you don't.

So how do you know it's CIA?

It seems like this is from a role PM.

If you don't wish to comment there's only one thing to do =(

Vote: Jack

[Jack]

Setup is interesting I think. The CIA agent is the serial killer obviously, but who are the mafia?

I'm sorry, where did it say that there is a serial killer?

I'm still curious where you determined the CIA agent is "obviously" the serial killer?

I'm afraid you guys are on a need to know basis. And right now, you don't need to know.

You only think you do. I'm (apparently) the only one who sees that you don't.

So how do you know it's CIA?

It seems like this is from a role PM.

If you don't wish to comment there's only one thing to do =(

Vote: Jack

It sounds like you skipped the rest of the thread after that post...

I don't buy the fake =( emotion either.

fos:DarklightA

[Netopalis]

Not a problem, Bub. Anything to get him to finally answer.

[jasonT1981]

Jack... plain and simple..

1) how do you know there is a CIA agent as it says nothing about CIA
2) How do you know the 'CIA' Agent is the SK?
3) What do you know as to the setup that is in your words 'interesting'

To echo what has been said time and time again..

ANSWER THESE BLOODY QUESTIONS!!!!!

[Jack]

I already answered in post 104. I don't know jack about it.

[Jack]

No pun intended.

[Netopalis]

Not good enough. I hope you enjoy dangling.

[Jack]

Not good enough. I hope you enjoy dangling.

You're ready to lynch

[Netopalis]

Absolutely.

[Jack]

Absolutely.

Is this still your "jack is trying to confuse the town and make himself look innocent when he changes his style" theory?

[jasonT1981]

not good enough is right,

That first post was my version of the conversation starter. The fact that there was no CIA agent in the setup gave me an "out" once the starter had run it's course. Proof that it wasn't a scumslip, basically. That it was just made up.

This is in NO WAY proof of it not being a scum slip what so ever. The fact you say this

I'm afraid you guys are on a need to know basis. And right now, you don't need to know.

followed by this

I think what you are saying here is too general. Town benefits from gaining information about player alignment. Not just any old information. Why am I as scum refusing to answer?

Yes, town does benefit from information.. information you have already said is ' on a need to know, and we do not need to know...

So yea... contridict yourself much?

Why is that? Btw, that's what I meant by "refusal to answer the question", I didn't mean your set of questions. I don't see it as suspicious.

Refusal to answer questions is suspicious... because as you have said while contridicting yourself town benefits from information.. information you refuse to give up as it is 'need to know' in your own words.

2) I haven't refused to answer question

s

, only one question.

Yes, it may only be one question you are refusing to answer, but as you say town benefits from information... and as I have already pointed out you have said we do not need to know... you see why we think you are scum?

Not good enough. I hope you enjoy dangling.

You're ready to lynch

right now, you have contrdicted yourself so much, and refused to answer questions I am confident enough to say DIE SCUM (Or SK!!!)

[Fishythefish]

Fishy: Sure, I can produce a scummy reason for Jack's actions. First, he is deliberately being confusing. Even if he is town, he would have had no other reason to bring up the matter in the first place. He is attempting to derail the game by his cryptic responses as well. Also, he is, I think, trying to benefit from early suspicion being cleared, which often means that the player will be looked at with less suspicion later in the game. If he establishes an extremely scummy style of play now, in the late game, if he plays in a more pro-town fashion, he will look much less like scum, regardless of his actual alignment. Thus, in a sense, it can be something of a protectionist move.

You see, I really don't think that's how scum think. They don't try and derail the game by posting nonsense - that just makes them look scummy. They don't try to look scummy to look townie by contrast later - that just makes them look scummy.

These motivations both demand that scum do something which obviously makes them look scummier. I just don't believe it.

Rival explanations for Jack's behaviour -
1. He's scum, doing one of the above.
2. He's either alignment, trying to stir things up a bit (as he claims).
Really, I find the second one much more credible. Put yourself in scum/SK shoes. Would you ever say that a flavour role (CIA agent) that doesn't exist is a SK? It seems a totally unbelievable scum gambit. To believe 2, you just have to believe Jack is prepared to do weird things in the RVS.

Weird is not the same as scummy. Jack's play is weird. There's no scum motivation for it, and it's not scummy.

[Netopalis]

A person might have accidentally done that as an SK who has the CIA agent role and thought it was mentioned in the OP - if you notice, he doesn't realize until I point it out that the OP said secret service.

[Jack]

A person might have accidentally done that as an SK who has the CIA agent role and thought it was mentioned in the OP - if you notice, he doesn't realize until I point it out that the OP said secret service.

Your theory is that I didn't read the bit I quoted for you?

My conversation starters are soooo much more fun then question lists.

Someone in this room is trying to kill them, but the only people in the room that are not justices are the two attorneys and the secret service agent..

Have you read this bit from the OP netopolis?

Of course I have, but you said

CIA

agent, not secret service. Why did you say that? If it was from the OP, why not just say that instead of saying that there's a reason but that we don't want to know it?

The ONLY people in the room who aren't justices are the attorneys and the secret service agent. There is no CIA agent.

[jasonT1981]

The ONLY people in the room who aren't justices are the attorneys and the secret service agent.

There is no CIA agent

.

FACEPALM!!! HEAD-DESK

Setup is interesting I think.

The CIA agent is the serial killer

obviously, but who are the mafia?

Contridicting
Lying
refusing to answer questions
with-holding information.

Again I ask... how do you know the setup?