Welcome to the club.It's Elli. Lack of xofelf wagon makes me unhappy. No names now, but I dislike the people who just ignore her wagon more over the people who are vocally against it.So yah, I've been suprised over how hard it has been to build.
She hasn't posted in this thread since Wednesday. She hasn't posted anything useful since this game started.Cyberbob wrote:Re xofelf: Still waiting on her reaction to the pressure on her before I decide whether or not to lay my vote on. Note that she has not posted (in this thread, I don't know about anywhere else with searching down) since Wednesday.
Don't have a response to this, I think. Why did you specify "on this site" if you'd played games together elsewhere? Why did you take that stance when you knew she'd read some of your scum games without being in them?xofelf wrote:You had me read a few games where you weren't town to show me just how badly you fooled them. Also, did you count the games NOT on this site that you and i have played?SensFan wrote:More importantly, I just checked every single game I've played on this site and not been replaced in; xofelf was in only 2 of those. I was Town in one of them, and killed N0 in the other (also as Town).
Oh. That's interesting. Are you claiming that she is conciously lying? Xofelf, would you also say that SensFan is lying on this last quote?SensFan wrote:*I have not played a single completed game on any other Mafia site
*I most certainly never asked her to read any of my games
Number two and three there are more xofelflies by xofelfscum.
Hmm. Forgive me if I think that's splitting hairs - although you probably put rather more stock in random voting than I do.SensFan wrote:Sens' posts certainly weren't random stage, they were getting discussion going on peopole who weren't random voting.
Huh. Okay. Let's see what she says. I'm bemused as to why she'd do that as scum. But I think it's helpful to establish that both of you are actually claiming the other is lying about something specific.SensFan wrote:Number two and three there are more xofelflies by xofelfscum.
This, still; you claimed this before she said #2/#3. I don't see it.Elmocrates wrote:I would also really like Sens to explain why he's certain she's not simply mistaken, because I just don't see how you can claim that knowledge.
You aren't interested on the fact that two players are claiming that the other is lying on concrete facts?Jack wrote:I checked one of xvart's other games (over) but got bored partway through reading his ISO which I'll take as a sign that I should be paying attention to someone else.
I'm getting a good feeling about Elscouta as scum.unvote, vote:Elscouta
Don't feel like talking about everything from his ISO, but the silly fakey reasoning for having "bad vibes" about Iec and that last post which sounds more like scum smelling blood than an interested townie. Before he dismissed xolf/sens as a distraction btw.
Because it's silly to think she'd legitimately think she had some sort of meta tell on me in particular (who she knows much better than most people), when there's absolutely no way she does.Elmocrates wrote:Whether she actually does is irrelevant. She might mistakenly believe she does. This happens a lot, especially with good scum players; I remember Yosarian2 complaining about it.
How did you know (at that point) she didn't genuinely believe what she was saying?
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That's not remotely true. Good players make mistakes with meta, and sometimes those mistakes are false positives. False positives are more likely when the meta tells are smaller and less frequent to begin with, so if you don't have any, it's more likely someone makes that mistakes. Unless you think xofelf's meta skills are perfect, there is some reasonable chance that she genuinely thought she had a meta tell on you. So how were you sure she was lying?SensFan wrote:Because it's silly to think she'd legitimately think she had some sort of meta tell on me in particular (who she knows much better than most people), when there's absolutely no way she does.
Not in the slightest. What about it is interesting to you?Elscouta wrote:You aren't interested on the fact that two players are claiming that the other is lying on concrete facts?Jack wrote:I checked one of xvart's other games (over) but got bored partway through reading his ISO which I'll take as a sign that I should be paying attention to someone else.
I'm getting a good feeling about Elscouta as scum.unvote, vote:Elscouta
Don't feel like talking about everything from his ISO, but the silly fakey reasoning for having "bad vibes" about Iec and that last post which sounds more like scum smelling blood than an interested townie. Before he dismissed xolf/sens as a distraction btw.
this coming from cobalt is a fucking jokeCobalt wrote: stop being bad at this game
giving him a cookie from bad play?..have you ever seen him as scum?..if not, why bring this up? Also, content isnt a buzzword.Jack wrote:Content is such a buzzword.
Cobalt isn't particularly playing different from the game I saw him as town in.
interesting statement...this REALLY is sticking out to me. At this point post (289) Jack has 4 votes. Cobalt just has 2. You express suspicion on Jack in the post with an FOS, but you vote cobalt instead? So why not vote Jack to "run up a wagon" and see if Bud jumps on it?xvart wrote:I would be interested in running up another wagon and see if Budja jumps on it, too.
your play in general...I have seen you being unhelpful before, but your last vote (before I voted you) was pathetic. to me, it seems like you are going out of your way to scum hunt. also, I would like to see pressure on you..see what happens. I likes your vagon zee best.Jack wrote:
CKD abandoned her third post of the day and only serious case with a weaksauce "I've been back and forth on Jack...that last vote though...". I think in Jack's opinion the vote is fairly obvious given the context of the discussion the previous day. CKD, what made you go back and forth previously?
how so? You don’t like wagons? Why? You feel like your vote on Meh is(was) doing something?Papa Zito wrote: I can easily see CKD as being opportunistic.
the quote you posted explains it dear. I didnt like his attack of a bandwagon on day 1....it seems like an attempt to look town. wagons on day 1 are great...I would love to argue theory with anyone who disagrees. that being said, i dont like wagons based on jack (thinks there is a pun here). Even on day 1..there should be reasons people want to apply pressure to someone.
why?Cobalt wrote:still see no reason to unvote cyberbob
jack is appealing though
first thing jack has said that I actually agree with (in reference to 363). jack what about that post did you find "terrible" I am curious.Jack wrote:Ooh, I really don't like xvart now. That post is terrible. Maybe I should do something more useful with my vote.
unvote, vote:xvart
Farside - Are you saying that typically her active lurking is scum motivated or active lurking is scum motivated in general. How does her play in this game compare to games where she actively lurked?farside22 wrote:I've seen elf actively lurk. Typically it's scum motivated. This doesn't feel like her normal scum play.
Starbuck - do you think at least one of them is scum?Starbuck wrote:Or we can just lynch both of em and be done with it.
Generally speaking, yes; but I have seen otherwise.Cobalt wrote:faking daykills is supertown
Sorry I'm so boring...Jack wrote:I checked one of xvart's other games (over) but got bored partway through reading his ISO which I'll take as a sign that I should be paying attention to someone else.
That tells you which games she's played with you. It doesn't tell you which games she's read; she might have read previous games where you were scum. To be certain she's lying, you have to be certain that she hasn't read any of your previous scum games. I don't see any way you can be certain about which games she's read. So I don't get it.SensFan wrote:Other than the fact she's played a total of 1 game with me (where I survived N0)?
It was more of an observational post, rather than a real "experiment;" regardless, at the time of my post, Budja had already set himself up to jump on the two next largest wagons (Jack and Cyberbob) either by direct statement or FoS's so running up Jack's wagon wouldn't really do anything for my suggested "experiment."curiouskarmadog wrote:interesting statement...this REALLY is sticking out to me. At this point post (289) Jack has 4 votes. Cobalt just has 2. You express suspicion on Jack in the post with an FOS, but you vote cobalt instead? So why not vote Jack to "run up a wagon" and see if Bud jumps on it?xvart wrote:I would be interested in running up another wagon and see if Budja jumps on it, too.
