Mini 953: Star Control: Alliance Initiative (Over)

[Merkabah]

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 7

animorpherv1

- 1 - Riceballtail - (L-6)

Dry-fit

- 1 - Gammagooey - (L-6)

Kast

- 1 - Dry-fit - (L-6)

Merkabah

- 1 - Porkens - (L-6)

Papa Zito

- 2 - CF Riot, cruelty - (L-5)

Plum

- 1 - Merkabah - (L-6)

Porkens

- 1 - Plum - (L-6)

Riceballtail

- 1 - animorpherv1 - (L-6)

Players not voting: bouncy.bouncy, Kast, Papa Zito

Are these posts from different heads in the hydra? If not, how do you discriminate between your request for clarification any mine.

They were made by different heads. While I don't think it was useful, I personally think you were pushing it unnecessarily, whereas I think my better head was kinda giving PZ an out from a somewhat silly strategy if he's town.

In terms of your reasoning:

-Soft claims are rarely beneficial to town. Scum are almost always better setup to tell whether a joke is actually a soft-claim or not.

I mean, I agree that softclaims are useless, but I took it to be an RVS joke really. Why do you think the scum would have better knowledge of it than anyone else? It seems to me that they wouldn't know for certain and would almost definitely want to clarify the soft claim.

IF he isn't scum, THEN scum certainly would have realized he was soft claiming whereas town was still left uncertain. Confirming that information helps town and does not give scum much benefit.

Same as above, I think the scum would need to clarify the information to be sure.

-IF Zito is scum and was trying to get away with a soft claim to buddy/buy cred with Plum, THEN pressing for a confirmation limits his future claims.

Fair enough.

I don't see why Zito felt the need to share that. Plum was not under suspicion or apparent danger. If anything, Zito's claim, makes Plum a better scum target than she would be.

Agreed, unless he was fishing for reactions to kick the game off, which was sort of my interpretation.

[Gammagooey]

@Kast- my reason for the Dry vote isn't so much "good" as it is "better than random".

Since that question is the least important, have some elaboration:
Out of all the early posts, Dry's was the most similar to a post I would expect to see from someone trying to avoid attention and stay in the background-

A vote reasoning that can't really be argued with or analyzed (since Kast did think he was scum) and a short answer to the question asked.

[Porkens]

I guess I like votecounts at the top of the page because then I know where to find them and I know that they are current.

I can see your point about readability and ease of access for analysis, though.


Ohhh gamma that's thin. But I'll run with you on it, at least until he posts something real.

Unvote. Vote: Dry-Fit

Kast: I think I am subconsciously bitter about that! But really, I wouldn't hold this rolefishing against you. Rolefishing isn't always anti-town.

[CF Riot]

What do you think my secret reasons for voting Dry are?

Non-existent. None of the questions you asked are scum hunting. This has been a fluff post.

More votes on Zito.

[Gammagooey]

Uh I just told you what the reason was. Do you think my reason given is complete bullshit or did you not see the post or what exactly?

[Plum]

CF, why dja like your Zito vote so much, eh?

[Dry-fit]

So this is boring.

HEY EVERYBODY QUESTION TIME

Who here have you enjoyed/not enjoyed playing with before and why?

If you're not voting, why not?

Do you think that voting/not random voting has any indication on alignment?

-I've played with Kast, Plum, Zito twice, Porkens, and I guess at least on of the players that are Merkabh. They're all good players and I've enjoyed my experiences with them.
- I don't think random voting/not random voting is indicative of alignment.

@CF Riot: Why are you expecting more Zito votes without telling us why we should vote for him?

[Papa Zito]

Merkabah's a hydra?

[1] Who here have you enjoyed/not enjoyed playing with before and why?

[2] If you're not voting, why not?

[3] Do you think that voting/not random voting has any indication on alignment?

[4] What do you think my secret reasons for voting Dry are?

1. I've played with most of you kids before. Plum, Kast, Porkens, Dry-Fit and I were in the original game together. I've played with Plum and Porkens elsewhere as well. Gamma was my partner in another game. We lynched cruelty. And NKed the mod.

2. I hate meta.

3. Nope.

4. Null.

My motivation was simple: I have information, so I'm sharing it. It helps nobody if I take it to my grave. Ya'll are free to dismiss it if you like but don't be surprised by my reaction if someone goes after Plum.

[bouncy.bouncy]

What the hell is a hydra?

And I don't see the big deal about asking Zito about clearing Plum. Rolefishing isn't going to help scum that much more after he's already come out with his information.

[Gammagooey]

A hydra is two players sharing one account, in order to be more active/play better etc.

[Riceballtail]

Nobody is lynch on sight for me. I'm just giving Ani crap about killing me.

Random voting, or lack thereof, has no effect on alignment. Who they vote may change that thought however.

Also, hydras have positive and negative side effects on gameplay. I appreciate the fact we get more opinions in the game, but it doesn't make it perfect either.

[CF Riot]

@Gamma, not bullshit in the sense that you made it all up, just bullshit in the sense that it's weak and not really any more valuable than a random vote.

@Plum/Dry, I really don't

expect

anything. I'm just promoting my current suspect as the one we should all latch onto. What's the point in taking a stand if you're not going to convince anyone else to listen? Two people start the game off with his name in their post. Maybe he's just popular, but it's something to go off of.

[Merkabah]

Merkabah = Amished + VP Baltar , just for the record. I guess kast and Riceballtail were the only ones who would have known this already. Sorry for not clarifying sooner. We decided to hydra this game because I (VPB) really wanted to play in it after I helped Spyrex design the first one, but we're both right at the cusp of too many games and I wasn't sure I would have the time to do it on my own.

@CF Riot, what do you make of PZ's actions calling Plum town? Do you think this is likely to come from town or scum? How seriously would you like to push his wagon knowing this info?

[Merkabah]

Also

@CF Riot: How is a vote with a little reasoning that's easily explained (and you don't believe it's made up anyways) no better than a random vote?

[Papa Zito]

Merkabah = Amished + VP Baltar

Cripes.

So Gamma, let's hear the results of your survey.

Also, happy scumday RBT, you bastard.

[Merkabah]

Cripes.

lol, what is that supposed to mean?

And happy scumday, RBT! But I can't comment on your bastardness. Sorry.

[Papa Zito]

It's a really bizarre combo.

Also Amished and I have HISTORY (ohnoes)

CF, why aren't you voting Gamma?

[CF Riot]

Gamma gave reasoning, but like I said, I don't think it means anything. So to me, it may as well be random. But on the flip side of that, I said it doesn't look to me like a fabricated excuse for a vote. I think Gamma's vote is sincere. So really the vote doesn't seem scummy to me.

I'm not sure what to think of Zito calling Plum town. I've never played with either of them. Maybe Zito is just talking and it means nothing. Maybe he knows something and he's being serious. Maybe he knows something but he's lying. It's hard to tell this early on. But since all I can do right now is guess, that one comment doesn't mean enough to me to not vote for him.

[Papa Zito]

How many times do I have to say it's serious before you'll treat it as serious?

Will one more work? Here: It's serious.

[Riceballtail]

UNVOTE; VOTE:Gamma

[Gammagooey]

Cruelty and ani haven't posted yet: you two make me sad.

The survey (which was pretty much made on the spot) is basically just to try and get people talking and set a baseline for activity and see if any of the answers or reactions to the questions seemed forced or particularly weird.

bouncy's ignored both the questions and my first vote on him (even though it was random) and needs to say why.

Papa what does not liking meta have to do with random voting exactly? And is it just me being crazy or does your answer to the first question have no enthusiasm at all, I would think you'd be happier recalling winning games (the one with me and the first SC game)

Dry's post doesn't change my thoughts on him (still short and background-y).

Plum's thing about statistics seems a little weird for an on-the-spot question but I haven't played with her before so I don't know if she's a math major/enthusiast or something that would explain it, plus Zito says she's town.

Porkens Merk and Kast's posts didn't have anything out of the ordinary that I noticed.

Riceball's post seems fine too- she's apparently voting me but at least she's more interesting than the non-voters.

[Gammagooey]

editz- cruelty and ani haven't posted yet after I made the questions.

[Plum]

Gamma - To make a blanket statement about that sort of behavior you need statistics. Personally I don't have any strong memories of scum getting caught because they were not voting, but that doesn't say very much. If I were a stats enthusiast, I'd have actually gone through a bunch of games and looked at correlation of pointedly not random voting and frequency of actually being scum. There are plenty who would d that, but not me.

[Papa Zito]

[1]Papa what does not liking meta have to do with random voting exactly? [2]And is it just me being crazy or does your answer to the first question have no enthusiasm at all, I would think you'd be happier recalling winning games (the one with me and the first SC game)

1. Meta's the only reason I can think of for this question.
2. It goes without saying that I love you crazy kids.

That's all great. What are your conclusions?

[Gammagooey]

Uh I don't really have any solid conclusions from it, the closest thing to it would probably be that I find bouncy scummier than before.

And it's not meta, but unless you don't like the random vote stage for one reason or another not voting is more cautious than I would expect from someone who's played more than a few games.

@Plum-the problem is that I'm not really looking for cold hard statistics here, I'm looking for biased opinions (everyone is biased some way or another) from individual players and reasons for those opinions.