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Post Post #100 (ISO) » Tue Apr 13, 2010 2:10 am

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@ Glork

Is the "Blind" status connected in any way to the anonymous lynch vote on you?





Vote Count:
Eye Drops, anyone?

PranaDevil: 3
(inHimshallibe, Iecerint, bill1148)
dramonic: 2
(bv310, FC Groningen)
Zodiark13: 1
(Glork, Devotress)
Glork: 2
(Zodiark13)
Iecerint: 1
(KDub)
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(wolframnhart)
wolframnhart: 1
(Nautilus)
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(WorseExcuse)

Not Voting:

Antifinity
Chronopie
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dramonic
JPSalazar
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MehPlusRawr
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11 votes.

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May 2nd - 5:40 PM EST
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Post Post #101 (ISO) » Tue Apr 13, 2010 2:57 am

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Hm, about Ultros- You have to fight him as a boss like 3 or 4 times, and he talks to you a lot during the fights. I'd say that death miller is believable, as the stuff he says makes him seem more mischievous than evil.
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Post Post #102 (ISO) » Tue Apr 13, 2010 3:16 am

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Yeesh, you miss one word and apparently you're scum, I had no idea who Ultros was, thus also wasn't going to base anything off a character I hadn't heard of (my FF knowledge is hazy at best, and I've only properly played 7 and 8 anyway).

But it's still flimsy reasoning, it's saying "Dramonic is a lightning based character, thus it was him", erm... considering it seems there's a lot of elemental based stuff (and it's possible there are some bosses used that might use different attacks), that reasoning is flimsy, and thereby not voting based off it unless more can be determined. Yes it's a small lead, no it's not enough to someone solely because of.

Plus, looking back over it, I'm thinking Glork was possibly stretching to the case on Dramonic by piecing it together as he did and ignoring that anyone else could be lightning based, and I'd say he was most likely covering for either himself, or someone else, on the basis of knowing there's more than the one lightning based character (or at least, more than one character who can use a lightning attack), and spotting Dram's claim early on, has seized it.

unvote; vote: Glork
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Post Post #103 (ISO) » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:05 am

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Devotress wrote:@glork, was there any flavour to you being told you were blind, or was it just a basic "you've been made blind"
Yeah, something about black goop being thrown into my face.
bill1148 wrote:@ Glork

Is the "Blind" status connected in any way to the anonymous lynch vote on you?
Read what I've already posted and decide that for yourself. I've already covered what I know about Blind, what I think about Blind, and what I think about the anonymous vote on me.

PranaDevil wrote:Plus, looking back over it, I'm thinking Glork was possibly stretching to the case on Dramonic by piecing it together as he did and ignoring that anyone else could be lightning based, and I'd say he was most likely covering for either himself, or someone else, on the basis of knowing there's more than the one lightning based character (or at least, more than one character who can use a lightning attack), and spotting Dram's claim early on, has seized it.

unvote; vote: Glork
Two things:
1) Page 1 vote.
2) As soon as Dram pointed out the whole "black tornado" thing, I backed off the flavor connection.

Please reassess your vote and place it somewhere notstupid and nothypocritical. Kthx.
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Post Post #104 (ISO) » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:07 am

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By the way, I still want Tidus to claim. I promise that only good things will happen.
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Post Post #105 (ISO) » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:07 am

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Black goop?

Like an ink attack from a squid? or octopus?
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Post Post #106 (ISO) » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:14 am

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wolframnhart wrote:Black goop?

Like an ink attack from a squid? or octopus?
Why, yes. That would work. And, in fact, Ultros countered magical attacks by inflicting Blind.

You know what... I'm game.

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Post Post #107 (ISO) » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:15 am

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There's even a wikia article on fighting Uncle Ulty:
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Ultr ... tasy_VI%29
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Post Post #108 (ISO) » Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:40 am

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Glork wrote:
wolframnhart wrote:Black goop?

Like an ink attack from a squid? or octopus?
Why, yes. That would work. And, in fact, Ultros countered magical attacks by inflicting Blind.

You know what... I'm game.

Unvote
Vote: Iece
Obvious lynch is obvious. Octopus, blind, death miller claim.

Vote: Iecerint
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Post Post #109 (ISO) » Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:37 am

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Glork wrote:
PranaDevil wrote:Plus, looking back over it, I'm thinking Glork was possibly stretching to the case on Dramonic by piecing it together as he did and ignoring that anyone else could be lightning based, and I'd say he was most likely covering for either himself, or someone else, on the basis of knowing there's more than the one lightning based character (or at least, more than one character who can use a lightning attack), and spotting Dram's claim early on, has seized it.

unvote; vote: Glork
Two things:
1) Page 1 vote.
2) As soon as Dram pointed out the whole "black tornado" thing, I backed off the flavor connection.

Please reassess your vote and place it somewhere notstupid and nothypocritical. Kthx.
Personally, I still think it's a worthy issue to note... however, others with more knowledge of Ultros than I have made some obvious pointers... and as others have said, the vote does appear pretty obvious now. (Although I will point out to all that Glork has said that Ultros counters magical attacks by inflicting blind... I also take it that's Glork admitting to using an ability on Iecerint over the night phase, so it's worth keeping this in mind if Iec gets lynched).

unvote; vote: Iecerint
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Post Post #110 (ISO) » Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:08 am

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PranaDevil wrote:I also take it that's Glork admitting to using an ability on Iecerint over the night phase, so it's worth keeping this in mind if Iec gets lynched).
To clarify, I did not target Iece with any abilities. I was merely remarking on Ultros' behavior in the GBA version of FFVI.
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Post Post #111 (ISO) » Tue Apr 13, 2010 6:36 am

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Iecerint, can you clarify:
Iecerint wrote:If I die, people will think I'm no good, but that's just because the real baddies haven't shown up yet. I lose my Death Miller curse after at least one "anti-town" player has flipped (counts scum, SK, cult, but not neutral survivors). If I flip simultaneous with an anti-town player before another anti-town player has flipped, I'll still be cursed, though, so watch out! (For example, if scum and me are both killed N0, we'll both flip guilty, but if scum flips guilty N0, I'll no longer be a Death Miller starting D1. If I flip before scum, I'll flip guilty.)
If you die before an anti town player has flipped, then you flip "
Ultros (Mafia)
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If you die after an anti town player has flipped, you flip "
Ultros (Death Miller)
"?
Does anything happen if you die first, then an anti town player flips?

I'm just having a tough time seeing this as a legitimate game mechanic. That plus the fact that Ultros is an antagonist plus the ink thing (good catch there, didn't even think about that) makes me uneasy about keeping you alive, especially since you otherwise have no abilities that would be useful to the town.

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Post Post #112 (ISO) » Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:45 am

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Votecounts posted. Prods to come Thursday for those who have yet to post.
They have escaped into the mansion where they thought it was safe.

Yet…
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Post Post #113 (ISO) » Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:48 am

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sure, why not...

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As good as others.
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Post Post #114 (ISO) » Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:58 am

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Buh? You're one, and only, post this entire game, is to just vote me without even attempting to explain why?
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Post Post #115 (ISO) » Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:12 am

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@Zodiark: It's a bit premature to assume. Adram is very different depending on the game (see FFTA vs FFXII). Also, any character from, say, FF6-7-8-12 can cast tornado and thundaga.

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You dont just shoot ink in people's eyes. That's plain rude.
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Post Post #116 (ISO) » Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:31 am

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Yeesh I'm not even sure if it was iecerint that gooped Glorks eyes, just he's the only one whos char has been claimed that makes sense on that, and that one thing doesn't necessarily make him scum if it is true. The other thing that is a bit odd is the roleclaim itself he gave, a death miller. Flips scum if scum flips with him, but if today we kill a scum he becomes town? Almost sounds third party to me.

Almosts and maybes aren't enough just yet though, i would like to hear more from iecerint, especially with the topic at hand.
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Post Post #117 (ISO) » Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:58 am

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In FFVI, Ultros really wasn't associated with the plot or main villains or anything. He was just kind of another guy you fought.

I could see it as a really gutsy, early claim by an SK. I don't know if the person who targeted me knows what was going to happen, or if there would be associated flavor, but the black sludge flavor fits well enough with Ultros that I think I'm willing to take this chance.

Mostly, I want to see if Iece. It'll be interesting to see if he denies knowledge of my Blinding altogether, or if he goes "oh yeah, I have some abilities, too."
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Post Post #118 (ISO) » Tue Apr 13, 2010 10:17 am

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I gotta agree that shooting ink in people's eyes is really rude, but I'm not sure which way to place a vote just yet. For the record, it isn't because I'm not suspicious, it's because I'm trying to weigh down enough evidence. I think more along the lines of a flow chart than anything else. If anyone wants to present some arguments to help me understand their rationale behind the votes, it'd be appreciated. It's always a bit of a rough patch trying to guess who might be scum, only because you're not able to look someone in the face and see if they're faces twitches or something.
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Post Post #119 (ISO) » Tue Apr 13, 2010 10:23 am

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EDIT: face, but I don't think anyone's a ridiculous word usage/typo nazi.

(:: Watches as all the votes turn around just because of a typo. :: )
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Post Post #120 (ISO) » Tue Apr 13, 2010 10:33 am

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WorstExcuse wrote: You know your hydra never posts when:

The lurker of the two decide to post.
Yeah. This.

Unfortunately, I'm not really all too indoctorinated in Square Enix flavor, so I'm really unsure where I might find a place in all of this NK speculation. I do, however, remember Uncle Ultros and his obsession with the Blind status, so that, combined with the odd death miller claim, is definitely cause for criticism.

PranaDevil had a scummy attack on Glork, then hopped to Iec while setting himself for a vote back to Glork.

Meh+Rawr, why do you find Death Miller claims scummy?
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Post Post #121 (ISO) » Tue Apr 13, 2010 10:35 am

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It's possible that he's Cursed-death-miller-with vote-block-ability Uncle Ulty...

But No cause to use it N0

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Post Post #122 (ISO) » Tue Apr 13, 2010 10:42 am

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My role PM does not specify the text that will appear when I die. My speculation is that I will flip "scum" or something if scum have yet to flip, and I will flip "Protagonist" thereafter.

I currently have no abilities apart from passive, temporary DM status. (Were I ever tracked successfully, that would indicate my guilt.) I've certainly noticed Glork's mod-confirmed Blind status, but it had nothing to do with me. I see the logic in the set-up speculation that I am more likely to be an SK than proper scum; however, you'd think I'd get on with it and kill someone N0 since we have evidence that killing roles could kill N0. I suppose it's possible that I could be an SK who targets 2 players each night, but that starts to be outside the normal.

Note that Prana has something odd going on upstairs:
PranaDevil wrote:Plus, looking back over it, I'm thinking Glork was possibly stretching to the case on Dramonic by piecing it together as he did and ignoring that anyone else could be lightning based, and I'd say he was most likely covering for either himself, or someone else, on the basis of knowing there's more than the one lightning based character (or at least, more than one character who can use a lightning attack), and spotting Dram's claim early on, has seized it.
Then Pran votes Glork.
Glork wrote:
wolframnhart wrote:Black goop?

Like an ink attack from a squid? or octopus?
Why, yes. That would work. And, in fact, Ultros countered magical attacks by inflicting Blind.

You know what... I'm game.
Then Glork votes me.
PranaDevil wrote:Personally, I still think it's a worthy issue to note... however, others with more knowledge of Ultros than I have made some obvious pointers... and as others have said, the vote does appear pretty obvious now. (Although I will point out to all that Glork has said that Ultros counters magical attacks by inflicting blind... I also take it that's Glork admitting to using an ability on Iecerint over the night phase, so it's worth keeping this in mind if Iec gets lynched).
Then Pran votes me. So, he suspects Glork for inappropriately using flavor against dram, and then he votes me when other players basically do the same thing. Spooky, right?
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Post Post #123 (ISO) » Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:04 am

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Unrelated to Iecerint's post, after reading and catching up on everything, I'm having a hard time following PranaDevil's thought process throughout the board. It's all over the place, from where I'm reading.

Still don't have enough to make me think anyone's scum yet...BUT...

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I don't understand your thought process, it's not linear. If you can explain it all out, I'll listen.
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Post Post #124 (ISO) » Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:05 am

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Quite so
They're are quite a few other options. You could, say, be something else and have an ultros fakeclaim. Or be a completely different role with a completely different goal.
Also, whoever said this was sposed to be normal?

Iece, if you are water-attribute please claim it.
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