Mini 964: Another Story - Over!

[Empking]

FoS: Elias

- Just noticed that he dropped off the Yabba wagon when it stopped being big.

Jag: Who is your second suspect?
How many games have you played before?

[Jag Johan]

Second suspect is Yabba.

I have played one before here at mafiascum and two on a Swedish role-playing forum. The later was different in many ways. Each day was just 3 real days and the night was included in the day. A majority vote didn't end the day and when the day was over the person with most votes was lynched. He/she didn't need to have a majority of the votes to get lynched. The roles was not so powerful but it was hardly standard games. Themes where Star Wars and a Swedish role-playing setting.

[Jag Johan]

Second suspect is Yabba.

I have played one before here at mafiascum and two on a Swedish role-playing forum. The later was different in many ways. Each day was just 3 real days and the night was included in the day. A majority vote didn't end the day and when the day was over the person with most votes was lynched. He/she didn't need to have a majority of the votes to get lynched. The roles was not so powerful but it was hardly standard games. Themes where Star Wars and a Swedish role-playing setting.

[Azelf]

Cuetlachtli

has decided to

drop out of the game

, and a replacement will be found shortly.

On the bright side, we won't need to worry about spelling his name anymore.

As long as I'm here, have a votecount.

VOTES:

Chevre

-

1

(Cuetlachti)

Cuetlachtli

(Replacement needed)

-

1

(Chevre)

Deer

-

0

Dr.Cyanide

(V/LA, no date)

-

0

Elias_the_thief

-

0

Empking

-

2

(elias_the_thief, Jag Johan)

Jag Johan

-

3

(VibeBox, Deer, Empking)

Red Star

(V/LA, 10/11)

-

0

sorasgoof

-

0

Thief

-

1

(Yabbaguy)

VibeBox

-

1

(Dr. Cyanide)

yabbaguy

-

2

(Red Star, Thief)

No Lynch

-

0

You'll need at least

7 votes

to get someone lynched today.

And finally, yabbaguy has a point. Swift kicks in the ass will be distributed shortly.

[Thief]

That's all I had, now I have his latest post:


Frustrated at the attacks on him, and unsure of how to defend himself. Why don't you just focus on finding scum instead of focusing on your own defense yabba?

You're advising him not to try to mount a defense? This posts feels like an attempt to further frustrate him, as opposed to actually argue against him.
Current vote stands, but

FOS: Thief

.
I'll be going back over your posts now.

How's that ISO coming? Nice twist, I never told him not to mount a defense. I said he should focus on scumhunting and not

solely

on his own defense that he seems so worried about.

I also don't see what about my post was provocative enough to frustrate.

[sorasgoof]

Holy...I completely forgot about this game. I guess I'll read the thread soon, but probably not tonight. I have a date with Halo 3 and Call of Duty tonight. XD

[yabbaguy]

I am so frustrated right now I can't stand it. I'm being baselessly accused by Jag, I can't get replies to my questions and my vote from Jag and Thief, and the game's still a lurkfest even after said swift kicks in the ass.

It's not a matter of needing an apathy-busting technique, we just need people posting more. Sorasgoof was just not paying attention and we have two V/LAs, but I know there are others who can and simply don't post.

[Azelf]

Fortunately, our epic community has stepped up to the plate.

Cuetlachtli

has been replaced by

RealityFan

, effective immediately.

[Empking]

Let's just wagon Jag.

[RealityFan]

Hey guys, reading through, will post in a bit if I don't get distracted.

[RealityFan]

First off I'll random

Unvote Vote: Deer

because I replaced into two of his games.

Unvote

It seems I missed RVS.

As for Red Star's questions:
1. I'd prefer a faster paced game with discussion, but that doesn't seem to be an option. I'd say a slow-paced game with discussion, because I don't want any quick-lynches happening.
2. It's a logic game, trying to figure out who can possibly be scum with who, and what is suspicious and what isn't.
3. Neither is good, there has to be SOME information to lynch on. However, a random lynch would be better than a No Lynch, because it has a small chance of catching scum, and gives a little information.
4. No, but it's not a good argument.
5. A very small scum-tell, nothing to base a case off of, especially if they had good reasoning.
6. I don't really know how to classify my play. I guess it's kind of laid-back; if I see something that doesn't seem right, I'll post about it.

My thoughts on players so far

Chevre
- Not much to go on, has done very little to contribute.

Deer
-The unvote on your first RVS vote seemed unnecessary. There were two votes on yabba, with seven needed to lynch. A little pressure never hurt anybody.

Dr.Cyanide
-Only thing to go on is your vote on Empking, which seems to only be because he was trying to scum-hunt.

Elias_the_thief
-A little to quick to jump on yabba to me in post 23.

Empking
-It seems like your initial argument on yabba was WIFOM, because you were trying to guess what he would do as scum.
-Why were you suspicious of Dr. Cyanide's OMGUS, but not mine/Cuet's?
-Other than that, you have been trying to scum-hunt a lot, so that earns you some town points.

Jag Johan
- I don't like how he asked questions right after VB told him it was the pro-town thing to do.
- Also seems to be going with the other two popular suspicions, Emp and Yabba, not really providing any of his own reasoning.

Red Star
-Asked questions at start of game, and information is always good.
-Voted Yab without providing much reasoning. If it was a pressure vote, don't say it was a pressure vote, it ruins the point. :/

sorasgoof
-Absolutely nothing to go on. At all. I know CoD is fun and all, but pay attention to this game a little more.

Thief
-You've only discussed your thoughts on yabba, I'd like to hear your thoughts on some others.

VibeBox
-Made valid arguments so far. Haven't noticed anything scummy. So far-town read.

yabbaguy
-I haven't really seen anything scummy from you, but as Thief said, I'd like to see some of your thoughts on others, since you've been forced to only defend yourself up to this point.

All that said and done, I'm going to

Vote: sorasgoof

.
This vote will come off when you:
A) Get replaced
or
B) Post

original

thoughts on people in the game.

[Jag Johan]

Good to see realityfan post a good post. Maybe this will give the game more energy.

unvote

vote: Redstar

Starts of with some question and then not much. I'm ok with voting out sorasgoof too because of CoD-thing.

[Elias_the_thief]

FoS: Elias

- Just noticed that he dropped off the Yabba wagon when it stopped being big.

I can assure you that this is merely a coincidence. I removed my semi-random vote when I found a better place to put my vote. Which is Empking. Because dat's da scum.

In other news, some things that I had going on have cleared up. I hope to reread and post my thoughts on everything tomorrow.

[VibeBox]

How's that ISO coming?

ISO? (Sorry, I'm a recently returned player)

Nice twist, I never told him not to mount a defense. I said he should focus on scumhunting and not

solely

on his own defense that he seems so worried about.

Frustrated at the attacks on him, and unsure of how to defend himself. Why don't you

just

focus on finding scum instead of focusing on your own defense yabba?

Emphasis Added.
This gave it the tone of saying he shouldn't be spending any time on defense to me.

I also don't see what about my post was provocative enough to frustrate.

If this post were directed at me,

I

certainly would have been frustrated. You claim justification for your vote without presenting any real argument against him, thus putting him further into a position of being under attack, with nothing to really argue against.

Good to see realityfan post a good post. Maybe this will give the game more energy.

unvote

vote: Redstar

Starts of with some question and then not much. I'm ok with voting out sorasgoof too because of CoD-thing.

You're really not giving me any reasons not to keep voting you here.
Claiming you'd be happy with a no-info lynch of Sorasgoof based on lack of posts right after he claimed he was going to reread and get involved?
This strikes me as more semi-random posting that adds nothing.
Add that to the fact that you chose to switch your vote right after RealityFan accused you of wagon hopping, and I can't say I'm comfortable with you just now.

Also, welcome RealityFan, and thank you for replacing! : -)

[yabbaguy]

ISOlation = the drop down menus All Posts, All users, Oldest First. Set all users to a playername to view just their posts.

[VibeBox]

ISOlation = the drop down menus All Posts, All users, Oldest First. Set all users to a playername to view just their posts.

What a wonderful feature! : -)
Thanks for filling me in.

[VibeBox]

EBWODP
More importantly if you (Thief) were inquiring after some sort of PBPA, I meant "I'll be going over your posts" more as a means to "put you on notice" that I was going to pay more attention to you now. I suppose an IGMEOY would have been more fitting.
Apologies, I'm still sort of getting back into the swing of using Mafia Jargon. (Doesn't help that it differs some from site to site)

[Chevre]

Here, and will reread ASAP. I had graduation this weekend. Sorry.

[Chevre]

Well, not much to go on, but anyway:

RedStar: Will you agree that your pressure vote was useless after you deemed it a pressure vote?

Also, where has Empking gone?

That's about all I have to say. Hopefully as more posts filter in I can respond bette.

[yabbaguy]

-I haven't really seen anything scummy from you, but as Thief said, I'd like to see some of your thoughts on others, since you've been forced to only defend yourself up to this point.

I'm still waiting on Thief, I don't know what you're looking at.

Chevre- I demand you reread. There's so much more you can infer from 5 pages. Don't you think Thief's case on me is contrived to the point of scumminess? What else?

[Chevre]

I definitely do not like the looks of Thief's case. He couldn't predict how yabbaguy was going to react, and then he tries to get him no matter what by saying he should be scumhunting instead of defending himself. If he's got any sort of case against him, he should be permitted to defend himself.

[RealityFan]

@Jag
Why vote for RedStar if he isn't one of your top two suspects?
As a matter of fact, why

is

yabba your second suspect? You didn't give any reasoning...

[Deer]

Alright this game is soo slow.

I still think Jag is scum.

[RealityFan]

And I'm beginning to agree with you, depending on Jag's answers to my questions.

[Red Star]

Sorry about the wall of text, but we should get this game going!

Chevre

0- Fluff
1- RV Cuetlachti
2:3- Fluff
4- Asks where Empking has gone
5- Doesn't like case against Thief


Cuetlachti/RealityFan

0- Fluff
1- Answers questions
2- OMGUS Vote Chevre
INRO OF REALITYFAN
3- Says hi
4- Unvote, RV, Unvote (:P)
a) Answers questions
b) Gives thoughts on players so far
c) Votes sorasgood
5- Questions Jag
6- Fluff


Deer

0- Fluff
1- Finished several games
2- Answers questions
a) Votes yabbaguy
3- Unvotes yabba because someone had voted him, unvotes and votes elias_the_thief
4- Doesn't like RVS wagons
5- Says that Cyanide was still RVS
6- Fluff
7- Votes Jag for trying too hard to be town
8- Fluff
9- Says that Jag made questions just to look good
10- Game is slow, thinks Jag is scum


Dr Cyanide

0- Fluff
1- Answers questions
a) Votes Deer
2- Unvotes, Votes VibeBox for OMGUS
3- Unvotes, Votes Empking for seriousness
4- V/LA


Elias_the_thief

0- Fluff
1- Votes yabbaguy
2- EBWOP
3- Says that Empking is eager to cast suspicions
4- Unvotes, Votes Empking
5- Says that Jag is more concered with being conherent than clean
6- Accuses Empking of scum


Empking

0- Fluff
1- Answers questions
2- Votes yabbaguy
3- Says it's best to try for pro-town points
a) Says that only scum analyse
4- Accuses yabbaguy of being scum due to overthinking
5:7- Fluff
8- Tries to defend something no-one was questioning
9- Fluff
10- Says that Jag should vote
11- Fluff
12- Asks how he has been aggresive
13- Asks RVers to vote someone who is actually acting suspicious
14- Fluff
15- Votes Jag
16:17- Fluff
18- FoS Elias
19- "Let's just wagon Jag"


Jag Johan

0- Fluff
1- Answers questions
2- Says that Empking seems overaggresive
3- Fluff
4- Doesn't want to vote
5:6- Fluff
7- Says that game is really slow and is contributing
8- Says that questions not half-hearted
9- Says that questions weren't serious
10- Fluff
11- Says he looks pretty scum
a) Follow elias and votes Empking
12- Fluff
13- Doublepost
14- Likes RealityFan's post
a) Unvotes, Votes Redstar due to lack of content


sorasgoof

0- Fluff
1- Forgot about game


Thief

0- Fluff
1- RV Elias_the_thief
2- Unvotes votes yabbaguy
3- Suspicious of yabba
4- Says that Empking should focus on scumhunting, not solely on defense


VibeBox

0:1- Fluff
2- Votes Dr. Cyanide
3- Attacks Empking with decent points
4- Accuses Empking of tunneling
5:6- Fluff
7- Willing to drop Empking case due to difference of opinion
8- Unvote
9- Doesn't like Jag Johan due to 'just saying something'
a) Votes Jag
10- First line is hypocritical
11- Wants activity to go up
12- FoS Thief
13- Attacks Jag Johan, welcomes RealityFan
14- Fluff
15- EBWOP


yabbaguy

0:1- Fluff
2- Answers questions, then asks Red Star why starting with RQS
3- Wants to be argumentative, wants brownie points
4- Asks what was learnt from answers
5- Fluff
6- Says that FoS's are out of line, because he's being argumentative for the sake of it
7:8- Fluff
9- Clarifies 'huh' post
10- Frustrated at everyone here
11- Votes Thief
12- Fluff
13- Wants massprod
14- Very frustrated
15- Explains ISO
16- Waiting on thief



Now analysis

Chevre- Too little information to go on, seems to not care about the game (like many others).

Cuetlachti/RealityFan- Seems to be town due to some content, but too little info to go on right now.
However, the fact that Cuetlachti decided to quit makes me think he was a bored Vanilla Townie

Dr Cyanide- A lot of random votes without much behind them.

Elias_the_thief- Acting kinda suspicious, but due to lack of content there isn't much to go on

Empking- Very defensive, throwing suspicions around, contributes little and suggests we just randomly bandwagon someone.

Jag Johan- Contradicts himself, admits he looks scum, copies someone, and votes Red Star

sorasgoof- Says he forgot about game. PLAY MOAR, N00b!

Thief- Very little info, too little content

VibeBox- Seems to be actually scumhunting, but does zigzag a bit.

yabbaguy- Very confrontational and argumentative. However, wants game to continue at faster pace


And in order of most to least scummy....

MOST
~~~~~~~~~
Empking
Jag Johan
Dr Cyanide
sorasgoof
chevre
yabbaguy
Thief
RealityFan
VibeBox
~~~~~~~~~~
LEAST



That said and done,

Unvote, Vote: Empking

, mainly due to his post 19 and general lack of content.
yabbaguy, just a question which might make you less frustrated, how do you believe that being argumentative and confrontational is helping the town locate and catch scum?