Newbie 961 - Game Over - Town Victory

[shadow2222]

why not ?He was simply out of ideas.
Fos : Zajnet

[Doubtful]

why not ?He was simply out of ideas.
Fos : Zajnet

Hmm... I believe that Zajnet's vote was rather random, considering he said "I know we're out of RVS... but..."

Unvote: Zajnet, Tiny FoS: shadow2222

for not interpreting Zajnet's vote.

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[Doubtful]

EBWOP: Sorry for the bad formatting.

I meant:

Unvote: Zajnet, Tiny FoS: shadow2222

[CSL]

The Third Vote Count of Day One


Me=Weird (2) UnLoved, shadow2222
Doubtful (2) stillawesome, startransmission
startransmission (1) RealityFan
UnLoved (2) skunkape, Zajnet
skunkape (1) Me=Weird
Not Voting: Doubtful

With 9 alive, the quota is 5

If deadline were to hit now, Doubtful would be executed. The deadline is currently set for Wednesday, June 16th @ 9:00pm EST.

No one is prod-eligible as of this post.

~ Your mod will be away for the afternoon, so don't expect a second check-up until this evening. Tomorrow will be hell for me, so I'll do a quick-check that morning, then will probably party the rest of the evening.

[Skunkape]

1. How much experience do you have with Mafia, be it here, on another site or in RL?

Not much, one or two earlier newbie games a long time ago.

2. What's your favorite role/alignment to play?

Not enough experience to say for certain, but I enjoyed scum.

3. How do feel about policy lynches? What about lurking?

When there's nothing to talk about, I myself can even find myself susceptible to not posting often, but there should be no excuse for lurking after Day 1 in my view, as there is clearly alot of information to go over.

4. How do you feel about the RVS?

There's really no other system when you have no information to go off of, applying pressure and seeing what happens is essentialy the only tool the town has in detecting scummy behaviour Day 1.

[startransmission]

why not ?He was simply out of ideas.

Well, this is a quick "hey I'm here" post. Nothing really to comment on, and I'm

close

to out of ideas on how to get things rolling. I'm insanely tired and a bit drunk, but hey, I warned you guys about weekends.

And I actually like my RV... I do hereby pronounce it a random vote no longer. Proper English be damned.

I would like to see more activity, especially out of Me=Wierd.

[shadow2222]

Sorry but grammar was never something i was really good at

[Doubtful]

Howdy all, a pleasure to join in this game with you. I'm your IC, which basically means that while like you I'm here to play the game, I'm also here to address any questions anyone might have etc.

A couple things about me... for one I have come off a very busy last few months, and as such for the time being I will be playing only one game at a time. This is my one game, so it will receive all of my attention. My activity on weekends will be spotty at best, Monday through Friday will have the bulk of my posting.

Vote: Doubtful

Not a big fan of the voting in order of mod list thing. Strikes me as an RNG vote pattern, which I hate because it absolves voters of accountability, which IMO defeats the purpose of even random votes. Plus,

For no reason than randomness...

strikes me as off... why defend a random vote?

Introduction, non-random vote, stated gut instinct.

mallowgeno wrote:
I would like to wait in line to replace someone. I'm not sure if I was supposed to post this on the thread or not, but I haven't played a game on here before. I've played on other sites however.


You need to keep your eyes open for replacement slots in the newbie queue, and PM the mod in question that you would like to replace in.

Answering a question

Me=Weird wrote:
I see this game hasn't had a IC post yet


See post 19. I usually refrain from explaining semantics etc. until it is brought up in the game. If someone has questions regarding acronyms or how to do something with text then that's something that can be addressed during the game. It can be confusing and/or bog things down otherwise.

Doubtful wrote:
I was just stating that I had no justification for my vote, and by defending that random vote, I have (tried) to stop all questions about it until further developments . (e.g. if I don't unvote and don't reply)


Wanting to prevent anyone from questioning your votes, no matter how random, is scummy. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, as I see what you're saying. Just know that all votes are liable to be questioned and examined, so no need to be defensive. Only scum need be overly defensive of their actions. And I know that the voting order wasn't your (it seemed rather organic, I'll look at that again) idea, I was just expressing my distaste for it.

Zajnet wrote:
lol are we seriously applying WIFOM to the randomness of the RVS? well... this will be an interesting game.


See post 32. RV's can and often will come up later in the game. There's information in every action, and even "random" votes can offer some insight later in the game.

Stating the reason not many explanations are given (no questions asked). Then explaining why scum are usually naturally more defensive compared to town. Then saying that information can be extracted from RV's

While I do love a rousing RVS, perhaps a little RQS (Random Question Stage) is in order...

1. How much experience do you have with Mafia, be it here, on another site or in RL?

2. What's your favorite role/alignment to play?

3. How do feel about policy lynches? What about lurking?

4. How do you feel about the RVS?

Questioning... getting a feel for the players as the forum is near-dead

UnLoved wrote:
Um, what is a VT?


Vanilla Townie, a townie with no special abilities such as a Cop or Doctor.

Explanation

I appreciate the answers so far. Gives people a picture of who they're playing with... I just hoped that some discussion would be born from them.

I'm about to start my horrid weekend work shit, so posting will be spotty for the next two days. This is not a V/LA, I promise at least a post a day, but just know that Saturday and Sunday represent 28 hours of my work week. I hope to see some activity to respond to when I have the chance.

Once again begs for discussion... . Also giving information about scarce on-line times

UnLoved wrote:
So, what shall we do now?


Find scum! Very Happy If I get some good sleep I'll post in the morning, barring that in the evening for sure.

Stating the obvious... and once again stating on-line times.

shadow2222 wrote:
why not ?He was simply out of ideas.


Well, this is a quick "hey I'm here" post. Nothing really to comment on, and I'm close to out of ideas on how to get things rolling. I'm insanely tired and a bit drunk, but hey, I warned you guys about weekends.

And I actually like my RV... I do hereby pronounce it a random vote no longer. Proper English be damned.

I would like to see more activity, especially out of Me=Wierd.

Once again continuing non-annoying rant about activity, and stating that the RV isn't one.

Conclusion:

Throughout the posting, startransmission emphasized activity. However, he never did make a random vote, while in his last post he stated that he has. His only vote (against me) was based on gut instinct, and not randomness.

If there's no activity, one of Me=Weird, UnLoved, or Doubtful would be lynched (depending on last second votes to save oneself) However, the two votes on all three people are random (except startransmission's gut instinct which he claims to be random). Scum want a random vote... so by wanting activity he is less likely to be scum.

In addition, scum normally do not make votes based on gut instinct, because people might do the same to them. Scum want no-lynch or random lynch, so they'll vote randomly. I think startransmission's mistake with the RV vs. Gut Instinct might just be a small one, and I cannot see scum making that mistake, for fear of someone pointing it out. Scum would recheck their last vote and explanation, and try to be similar to town. Town would want, in contrast, to act differently.

For the previous reasons, I personally think startransmission is a VT. He wants to pick out the scum by eccentricity.

[RealityFan]

Gah, sorry, forgot to mark this game in watched topics.

1. How much experience do you have with Mafia, be it here, on another site or in RL?
I've played four completed games here, and play occasionally with my friends. (My friends' version is basically all luck.
2. What's your favorite role/alignment to play?
I like being scum and laughing at all of the townies as they point fingers at each other. xD I don't really like being a town PR, too much responsibility. D:
3. How do feel about policy lynches? What about lurking?
Never experienced a policy lynch, don't know exactly what it is. Meh, I tend to lurk a little regardless of my alignment, so I don't consider it a scum-tell.
4. How do you feel about the RVS?
I feel like it's the only way to start the game, and draw early connections to people.

[shadow2222]

i have new random question .Please answer honestly.
Are you mafia in this game ?

[Doubtful]

[sarcasm]Yes, I'm mafia. Vote:shadow2222 Need to kill the person that found me out !!!![/sarcasm]

I won't RC right now, but even if I were mafia I would still RC town...

Oh and that non-bolded vote wasn't serious...

So direct response to your random question:

NO.

[UnLoved]

So, what shall we do now?

Unvote, Vote: UnLoved

for making me lose the game. I know we're kinda sorta out of the RVS, but that can't go unpunished.

Ah, I lost the game. I forgot about my location until now. ^_^

I'd like to

unvote: Me=Weird

since he has confirmed.

[Zajnet]

Meh, I tend to lurk a little regardless of my alignment, so I don't consider it a scum-tell.

While this could be the simple truth, something, I guess you could call it a gut instinct, makes me think that this is him trying to cover for his lurking if he is doing it for scummy reasons. Has anyone played with RealityFan and can speak to his lurking as scum and/or town?

[CSL]

Back from my graduation. Crazy stuff happened. Checking for prods, then once we get into page four, I'm doing a votecount. :)

[Doubtful]

Wait... UnLoved and Zajnet, are you talking about the same "THE GAME" I'm thinking about right now?

[Skunkape]

FoS: Doubtful for making me LOSE THE GAME

[Doubtful]

Gah,

I've lost the game around 18 times because of these posts...

I would think that UnLoved is a jester, trying to develop hate with the location thing... but there are no jesters in the game.

Well I'll

Vote: UnLoved

And see where that gets us...

I know this is a perfect example of a bandwagon (L-3 to L-2), but with the little activity going on, I think this is the best choice as of now.

I just want to see something regarding the lack of productive posting by UnLoved...

because of the following.

Hello everyone. I shall start the RVS, I suppose.

Vote: Viral Maze for not confirming yet.

Random vote... well not really.

Um, what is a VT?

startransmission wrote:
While I do love a rousing RVS, perhaps a little RQS (Random Question Stage) is in order...

1. How much experience do you have with Mafia, be it here, on another site or in RL?

2. What's your favorite role/alignment to play?

3. How do feel about policy lynches? What about lurking?

4. How do you feel about the RVS?


1. I've played 5 games, won 4/5 of them.

2. My favorite role to play is scum. Twisted Evil But I've only been scum once in my past games. Sad

3. I don't feel anything about policy lynches, as in most of my games, we have not needed to do that. Let's hope this game doesn't become inactive enough for us to policy lynch. Lurking can be good, or bad. It's always good to lurk a little if you haven't posted in a while. Otherwise, someone could misread posts and say something wrong.

4. Uhh, I don't see much else to do in the beginning of the game, so I'm all for RVS. Smile

Answering questions... good to lurk when you've been inactive for a while? Help the town analyze is better... because you have the viewpoint of the first-time reader of many posts, and can get a better gut-instinct. I think this answer is rather scummy... because lurking a little will only hurt town.

So, what shall we do now?

Random, pointless question.

Zajnet wrote:
UnLoved wrote:
So, what shall we do now?


Unvote, Vote: UnLoved for making me lose the game. I know we're kinda sorta out of the RVS, but that can't go unpunished.


Ah, I lost the game. I forgot about my location until now. ^_^

I'd like to unvote: Me=Weird since he has confirmed. Very Happy

Unvoting a RV... but the reason is off? You don't unvote because the person you voted for confirmed. You don't even RV on someone that hasn't confirmed yet !
In all honesty, unvoting an RV should be based on evidence that the person is town, not no evidence. You've just erased all participation in the RV because of this vote...

Conclusion

Well it is self-explanatory...

Can you give me real reasons that you unvoted and your backing of the lurking comment?

[Zajnet]

Wait... UnLoved and Zajnet, are you talking about the same "THE GAME" I'm thinking about right now?

Yes

I really don't get why you're attacking UnLoved for the reason behind his random vote. It's called random for a reason. If UnLoved were to quit making me lose the game, I would unvote him, just as UnLoved unvoted Me=Weird when he confirmed. You're making a mountain out of not even a molehill.

[Doubtful]

UnLoved's vote was definitely NOT random.

She selected Viral Maze for not being active. That's NOT a random vote.

And yet in her first post she claims that it is a random vote.

In addition, her UNVOTE was even less random, for the exact opposite reason.

It's not a molehill, I just selected one person at random (with a lot of posts) and asked 2 questions. I would've done the same with startransmission... but so far he seems rather VTish, because of his eccentricities. Mafia is a game of deduction... you have to make a mountain out of 100 grams of sand !

[Doubtful]

EBWOP:

I knew I sort of supported lurking in my previous post. My point is: If you lurk and don't answer questions asked, that's different from lurking because of boringness. I can't find much reason to speak when people are having an argument with no clear winner (WIFOM...?)

[Doubtful]

Wait... UnLoved and Zajnet, are you talking about the same "THE GAME" I'm thinking about right now?

Yes

I really don't get why you're attacking UnLoved for the reason behind his random vote. It's called random for a reason.

If UnLoved were to quit making me lose the game, I would unvote him

, just as UnLoved unvoted Me=Weird when he confirmed. You're making a mountain out of not even a molehill.

I just noticed something...

If UnLoved were to quit making me lose the game, I would unvote him

Its called random for a reason. Random =/= obscure and pointless reasons.

Tiny FoS: Zajnet

And if you haven't noticed, I unvoted Zajnet when I saw that there was nothing suspicious about him, compared to others. Now I FoS because something feels wrong about Zajnet's interpretation of RVS.

Are you saying that Mafia can be unvoted by just complying with the NON-RANDOM reason stated by the supposedly RV'er? I'm looking at a Mafia win on day 3 with Zajnet's strategies... you've taken a step back and failed to participate in the RVS as well. At this rate solution = no lynch = mafia get a lynch = we lose ground and gain no info. True, RVS is supposed to be fun, but if you're voting for a bad reason, its worse than voting for no reason.

[startransmission]

Posts 57, 59, and 66 are on my "must respond to" list. Sadly I'm (insanely) tired and in no condition to put down a proper post. Consider this a bookmark.

[UnLoved]

Sorry, by "lurking" I meant taking a few minutes to read through all the posts you have missed if you were inactive, BEFORE you just go ahead and make a post.

I don't see that I have backed off of my lurking comment.

And I'm not a big fan of randomly voting without stating an equally random reason.

Wait... UnLoved and Zajnet, are you talking about the same "THE GAME" I'm thinking about right now?

Yes

I really don't get why you're attacking UnLoved for the reason behind his random vote. It's called random for a reason. If UnLoved were to quit making me lose the game, I would unvote him, just as UnLoved unvoted Me=Weird when he confirmed. You're making a mountain out of not even a molehill.

Ah, I think we might have differing definitions of "random." In an RVS, I never completely vote randomly. I might vote someone for their username (that I can transform into some sort of joke), or for their vote on someone else.

For example, if Person X votes "Toast," I would then vote Person X because

I LOVE TOAST

. In short, I believe that logical fallacies shouldn't be taken so seriously in RVS's.

And in non-random voting situations, I don't think voting someone for being inactive is that bad of a policy lynch. But yes, not a valid reason at this time. But that wasn't really the reason I voted Me=Weird. >.>

[Zajnet]

Wait... UnLoved and Zajnet, are you talking about the same "THE GAME" I'm thinking about right now?

Yes

I really don't get why you're attacking UnLoved for the reason behind his random vote. It's called random for a reason.

If UnLoved were to quit making me lose the game, I would unvote him

, just as UnLoved unvoted Me=Weird when he confirmed. You're making a mountain out of not even a molehill.

I just noticed something...

If UnLoved were to quit making me lose the game, I would unvote him

Its called random for a reason. Random =/= obscure and pointless reasons.

Tiny FoS: Zajnet

And if you haven't noticed, I unvoted Zajnet when I saw that there was nothing suspicious about him, compared to others. Now I FoS because something feels wrong about Zajnet's interpretation of RVS.

Are you saying that Mafia can be unvoted by just complying with the NON-RANDOM reason stated by the supposedly RV'er? I'm looking at a Mafia win on day 3 with Zajnet's strategies... you've taken a step back and failed to participate in the RVS as well. At this rate solution = no lynch = mafia get a lynch = we lose ground and gain no info. True, RVS is supposed to be fun, but if you're voting for a bad reason, its worse than voting for no reason.

I'm sorry if you're used to rolling a D12 and voting for that person, but on the site where I've been playing mafia our random votes are for stupid, yet somewhat actual, reasons. For example, someone voted me and FoS'd someone else because we were both from Texas and therefore must be a cult. This isn't "random," and its also not serious.

So in my mafia experience, random == obscure and pointless reasons.

[shadow2222]

Unvote

Vote : Doubtful

Best lead right now.He tries to make a case out of nothing.And is waaaaay to aggressive with girls.Shame on you.