Open 231: My Name is Earl (Game Over)

[XScorpion]

Yeah, voting with no explanation is really pro-town. </sarcasm>

[Xite91]

First, Budja's starting to bother me

A-hah! there is in fact no post above o\you!
because of that falicy i will vote you with an obvious non OMGUS vote now!

Unvote, Vote:Adrien C

LIES!!!

Yah-huh! You were at the top of the page, no one was above you.

All I know, is that your inital reaction looked pretty much like a sarcasm (the 'Fantastic' part), and I learned already that sarcasm is one of the most common reactions when trying to hide uneasy feelings or outright lie your way out of situation (to avoid stupid misinterpretations: I'm talking about the former one right now). So far it's the only thing that looks even remotely interesting (in 'maybe he's a scum' way), so my vote stays for now.

Uhm, I use sarcasm wherever I go, especially this game, I don't see how that's a scumtell

Xite22/23- Do you believe taking us out of the RVS early is a bad thing? How long would you like an RVS go on? Do you buy the 3rd Vote ScumTell?

the 3rd

{Vote}

in a game this size should not be a crap reason

Why?

First question - Not really as long as it's not setup spec (for the most part) or stupid stuff that isn't scumhunting at all. In that case I still call it RVS. But I wanted a reason to vote him, and it was RVS
Second - Uhm because it's a 9 person game so 3 votes = L-2

@Adrien- I'll allow that I asked the question in an odd manner. Let me rephrase... Please comment on something actually happening instead of RVS crap. What are your thoughts on what is legitimately happening in the game

{as opposed to the back and forth with Xite}

. I tend to agree that the RVS benefits Scum more, thus I'd like us out of it.

Uhm, how was that really a back and forth? Besides, that was still RVS and I have high hopes for good content from him when we all decide to stop fooling around (except for me though, because I never stop foolin around, I'll just do it in a more scumhunting way when I deem fit)

Also, Hey guys sorry about this but I just spent about 12 hours at the hospital, and then about 9 hours sleeping because of medicine and lack of sleep. Now I'm on fun medication that makes me super loopy so I'm going to try to play the game but I have to warn everyone how bad that could be. That being said, I lack all energy to scumhunt at the moment, so I'll save you guys the trouble unless I feel it necessary to point out something.

[Budja]

Yeah, voting with no explanation is really pro-town. </sarcasm>

It can be.

Here's a case for you:
1. assuming I am town. #20 (minor)
2.

d3x: It doesn't really matter how arbitrary a reason is, as long as it's there. I suppose there's no real risk in the vote itself, but when combined with not even caring for even an arbitrary reason, it just doesn't seem townie to me.

^ wishy-washy statement. Says "Doesn't seem townie" but fails to vote me. Also, contradicts above.

First, Budja's starting to bother me

Elaborate.

Uhm, I use sarcasm wherever I go, especially this game, I don't see how that's a scumtell

context matters.

[XScorpion]

It can be.

How?

1. assuming I am town. #20 (minor)

Delicious WIFOM.

I'm gonna throw out a guess of a Budja/d3x scumteam right now.

[Xite91]

Yeah, budja but he said sarcasm in general, so I was pointing that out.
Next, you can have a gut feeling on someone and not want to vote the until you're pretty sure especially in a game this small, I do it all the time.

Ok, 3 reasonless votes and now with the explanation, "oh it can be pro-town" but I'm still not sure how so.
Something about you is rubbing me the wrong way.

Sorry Adrien, I gotta take my vote back

Unvote, Vote: Budja

[XScorpion]

Wagon go!

unvote
Vote: Budja

[Adrien C]

Let me fix my answer then. The biggest thing I saw so far was Budja's vote bring Aururus all the way up to L-2. A lot of stuff is going to be legit stuff in hindsight.

[Budja]

Unexplained votes have more pressure at this early stage where cases are quite scanty.
Also, you call that WIFOM? That doesn't make sense.

[AurorusVox]

Unexplained votes have more pressure at this early stage where cases are quite scanty.

Though this is true, do you feel that there are no legitimate cases that we can make along with our votes at the moment? (Clearly not, since you provided reasons afterwards.)

Do you feel withholding reasons for votes aids the town and hurts the scum?

[Adrien C]

Also, you call that WIFOM? That doesn't make sense.

Probably referring that we would have to assume you are town in your post.

[AurorusVox]

Also, you call that WIFOM? That doesn't make sense.

Probably referring that we would have to assume you are town in your post.

Not really WIFOM though, is it?

[Budja]

Your answered the first question yourself .
I'm perfectly fine with unexplained votes provided the voter is willing to show their cards at some point.

^ its only a minor tell anyway. Not the actual reason for the vote, just a bonus. (and not really WIFOM (If it is, it is negligible)).

[Adrien C]

Your answered the first question yourself .
I'm perfectly fine with unexplained votes provided the voter is willing to show their cards at some point.

^ its only a minor tell anyway. Not the actual reason for the vote, just a bonus. (and not really WIFOM (

If it is, it is negligible

)).

The bold.

[Xite91]

Unexplained votes have more pressure at this early stage where cases are quite scanty.
Also, you call that WIFOM? That doesn't make sense.

Yeah, but even with a slight explanation, you can make them feel a little more pressured. Honestly, when people vote me without a reason, even if it is a wagon, I feel a lot less pressured than when someone comes at me with a case. I think starting off with a flimsy case is fine, because the rest goes based on their reaction.
Also, I rarely feel pressured when the person changes their vote three times in a row without reason for any of them.

[XScorpion]

It's WIFOM because Beefster never said anywhere that he assumed you were town.

[Budja]

Post #20 kinda implied it. But as I said before, point 2 is the important one anyway. Point 1 was mostly tacked on. (...and I don't think you know what WIFOM means.)

@Xite, difference of opinion I guess. I got a read on Aurorus, we left RVS. Can't say it hasn't worked.

[Scott Brosius]

Vote Count #2

Adrien C (1) - Beefster
AurorusVox (1) - Col.Cathart
Beefster (2) - Budja, d3x
Budja (2) - Xite91, XScorpion
Col.Cathart (1) - AurousVox
d3x (0) -
Grimmy (0) -
Xite91 (1) - Adrien C
XScorpion (0) -

Not Voting (1)- Grimmy

With 9 players alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is July 30 ~12 pm EDT

[Beefster]

Yeah, voting with no explanation is really pro-town. </sarcasm>

It can be.

Here's a case for you:
1. assuming I am town. #20 (minor)
2.

d3x: It doesn't really matter how arbitrary a reason is, as long as it's there. I suppose there's no real risk in the vote itself, but when combined with not even caring for even an arbitrary reason, it just doesn't seem townie to me.

^ wishy-washy statement. Says "Doesn't seem townie" but fails to vote me. Also, contradicts above.

I didn't feel it warranted a vote at the time. I do now, so

Vote: Budja

. I don't like your defenses. They reek of scum.

More on this later.

[Beefster]

There's a difference between anti-town and scummy. Your original post looked anti-town, and the way you've defended yourself looks like you're hiding something- and thus is scummy.

[XScorpion]

Post #20 kinda implied it. But as I said before, point 2 is the important one anyway. Point 1 was mostly tacked on. (...and I don't think you know what WIFOM means.)

I guess WIFOM isn't the best word to describe what you're doing, I think misrepresentation or strawman is a better term.
Your point 2 is dependent on point 1,

Also, contradicts above.

and you admit point 1 is weak, so your whole argument is weak.

Unexplained votes have more pressure at this early stage where cases are quite scanty.

This is total bs. Unexplained votes put no pressure on anyone at all, because those votes are scummy and anti-town. I would absolutely love scum to vote for me without explaining why, it'll help town figure out obv. scum.

[AurorusVox]

To be fair to budja, you can vote someone for minor reasons to provide pressure, and build your case off of the resulting responses. Offering no reasons is...odd, since it doesn't allow the person to defend themselves. I guess it could cause them to get nervous. Also, notice that Beefster has voted budja without actually giving all of his reasons yet (this isn't necessarily a bad thing).

However, I too am uncomfortable with budja's voting pattern. Not convinced he's scum yet, but to me, his play is definitely worth paying close attention to.

[Xite91]

Confused how that is fair to budja, like I said, though, it's rare to make them nervous without reasons, the only real exception is with noob players, whether they're scum or not, in which case it's completely unfounded suspicion if they react bad. There's only a certain extent you can use that argument, but usually it doesn't go far enough from that to find scum in them because everyone else is going, "can you explain that? That's not how you should vote." And point out that they wouldn't be pressured because it usually leads to nowhere, which makes the noobs more confident for the most part whether they're scum or not.
It is however, a wonderful scumtell when they try to play it off as a great way to add pressure/a good vote without any reasoning behind it

[AurorusVox]

I mean that it might not be a legitimate scumtell because

isn't unheard of

to use minor reasons to vote for someone to gauge their reactions (I've also done this in the past as town; as have other members of town in my previous games). But not providing any reasons is different, of course; it looks far scummier.

[Xite91]

yeah, but he didn't use any reasons at all.

[AurorusVox]

That's what I was referring to when I said:

But not providing any reasons is different, of course; it looks far scummier.