Mini 1012: Mafia In Soraville (Game Over!)

DemonHybrid · Post Post #50 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:26 am

Friend wrote:Also:

DemonHybrid wrote:Who the hell asks about their own role on page two?
Jack is not a VI - I've read games that he's in. You assuming that he is, in fact, telling the truth here feels suspect.

That's fine, whatever makes him speak more about his post. I'm still not exactly sure if it's pure scummy or not, but regardless, it's just a weird post, no matter how much experience he has. This is the first instance of non-RVS posting in this game, so of course I'm going to question it.

I honestly don't expect a lynch of him, however. Too much experience, too noobish of a mistake.

TheLonging · Post Post #51 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:28 am

Vote: Fugitive[/b[ This is not an RVS vote. He's really dangerous as scum. We should all keep an eye on him.

Also Jack's post was so obvious. If you think he's actually a traitor...

TheLonging · Post Post #52 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:30 am

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Vote: Fugitive

DemonHybrid · Post Post #53 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:30 am

TheLonging wrote:
Vote: Fugitive[/b[ This is not an RVS vote. He's really dangerous as scum. We should all keep an eye on him.

Also Jack's post was so obvious. If you think he's actually a traitor...

See Pie's post. =P

Friend's up there on the scum list at the moment despite it being too early, Jack's neutral until he says more.

Waiting for Friend's reply to Pie's post.

ManfredvonKarma · Post Post #54 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:31 am

InflatablePie wrote:
Vote: Friend

1) Player A claims mafia, setting a trap for someone to vote him.
2) Player B falls for it and votes Player A.

Anyone could see that's what Jack was doing. So technically, the one jumping on an easy target is, in fact, Friend: the person voting for Player B.

Let's think about this. If anyone could see what Jack was doing, shouldn't DemonHybrid be considered scummy for voting Jack in the first place? I don't know if DH is experience enough to recognize gambits and other such plays, so Jack would be

his

easy target.

Also, I thought your vote was a joke at first... took me a second to notice that Friend is actually a username.

TheLonging · Post Post #55 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:33 am

Pie only went for Friend and not DH. I assume this is because Pie just jumped on a non-SH member (LOLBIAS)

Anyways this is retarded. Can we not talk about how Jack got us out of RVS? Any more discussion is useless, and those who pursue it (IE: DH) should be questioned further.

I rest my case Your Honor.

DemonHybrid · Post Post #56 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:34 am

TheLonging wrote:Pie only went for Friend and not DH. I assume this is because Pie just jumped on a non-SH member (LOLBIAS)

Anyways this is retarded. Can we not talk about how Jack got us out of RVS? Any more discussion is useless, and those who pursue it (IE: DH) should be questioned further.

I rest my case Your Honor.

What else do you want to discuss, then?

TheLonging · Post Post #57 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:36 am

Let me word this better: Discussing Jack's post will not help us. Discussing Friend's vote/questioning/your vote/question/Pie's attempt at a vote? Fair game

InflatablePie · Post Post #58 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:48 am

ManfredvonKarma wrote:
InflatablePie wrote:
Vote: Friend

1) Player A claims mafia, setting a trap for someone to vote him.
2) Player B falls for it and votes Player A.

Anyone could see that's what Jack was doing. So technically, the one jumping on an easy target is, in fact, Friend: the person voting for Player B.
Let's think about this. If anyone could see what Jack was doing, shouldn't DemonHybrid be considered scummy for voting Jack in the first place? I don't know if DH is experience enough to recognize gambits and other such plays, so Jack would be
his
easy target.

I figured DH would see how obvious Jack was being, so I didn't think of this. I see where you're coming from, but I think Friend is more opportunistic.

InflatablePie · Post Post #59 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:48 am

Is it just me, or are the quote boxes... different?

TheLonging · Post Post #60 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:50 am

I like these new quote boxes.

ManfredvonKarma · Post Post #61 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:54 am

InflatablePie wrote:I figured DH would see how obvious Jack was being, so I didn't think of this. I see where you're coming from, but I think Friend is more opportunistic.

So, you're fine with DH voting Jack, but not fine with Friend voting for DH using the exact logic that you gave for voting Friend?

TheLonging · Post Post #62 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2010 10:56 am

He's saying that DH's normal meta would be to see how obvious Jack would be doing, so he voted for Friend instead. He never once considered DH voting Jack for the same reasons.

IP obviously won't say yes, it'll just make him look stupid.

InflatablePie · Post Post #63 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:08 am

ManfredvonKarma wrote:
InflatablePie wrote:I figured DH would see how obvious Jack was being, so I didn't think of this. I see where you're coming from, but I think Friend is more opportunistic.
So, you're fine with DH voting Jack, but not fine with Friend voting for DH using the exact logic that you gave for voting Friend?

This is getting confusing.

I don't find DH voting Jack scummy.
I find Friend jumping onto an easy target scummy.

It may be similar logic, but it has to do with timing as well.

InflatablePie · Post Post #64 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:10 am

It's too obvious for scum to say "Hey, let me jump on someone who claimed Traitor and throw myself out into the open!"

Yet someone voting the person falling for an obvious trap... that's more scummy in my eyes.

ISO · Post Post #65 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:14 am

TheLonging wrote:He's saying that DH's normal meta would be to see how obvious Jack would be doing, so he voted for Friend instead. He never once considered DH voting Jack for the same reasons.

IP obviously won't say yes, it'll just make him look stupid.

I have no idea what DH's normal meta is. I do know that Jack likes to start games with statements like that, designed to provoke reaction. Now, the way I see it, there are three main ways a person can react to Jack's post:

1) Take him at face value. Vote: Jack
2) Be confused. This is the decision that Twomz and DH have taken.
3) Understand what's going on. Sit back and enjoy the ride.

Let's say that you fall into the latter category. You recognize that Jack is looking for reactions. Don't you want to see what these reactions are going to be? If people are asking what's going on, I don't see why you would want to reveal that you know something is up. That's why I don't like r2r's post:

I'm not going to bother voting Jack. That's just TOO obvious. Plus, I highly doubt that his role PM didn't explain his role.
EBWOP: Jack has 3849 total posts

Really? Jack's being too obvious? Well, if other people hadn't noticed, they sure will now, now that you've told them things are more than they seem! Now we don't get to see the reactions of the people who hadn't posted between Jack and r2r.

ISO · Post Post #66 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:15 am

EBOWP: The case on Friend is a good one too. I don't like his apparent assumption that the trap was intended for DH.

TheLonging · Post Post #67 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:16 am

You don't need to know DH's normal meta.

ISO · Post Post #68 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:18 am

TheLonging wrote:You don't need to know DH's normal meta.

I know. That's why I'm not focusing on DH.

ready2rock · Post Post #69 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:20 am

Also, scum's first instinct if they see someone who might be a traitor is not to vote for them.

@HC: yes, I think it's that obvious. For an experienced player to post something like that is very obvious. I don't think that anyone would actually believe that he was a traitor even if I hadn't posted that.

Friend · Post Post #70 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:20 am

InflatablePie wrote:
Vote: Friend

1) Player A claims mafia, setting a trap for someone to vote him.
2) Player B falls for it and votes Player A.

Anyone could see that's what Jack was doing. So technically, the one jumping on an easy target is, in fact, Friend: the person voting for Player B.

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Now's the time to mention to the other players that many of us know each other from another place. Hello Fugi, r2r, Demon, MvK and TL. And soras.

I'm confused. So DemonHybrid falling for said trap is townie in your eyes, but me voting him for it is not?

DemonHybrid apparently still took it somewhat seriously, though, take a look:

DemonHybrid wrote:Too much experience, too noobish of a mistake.

You wouldn't refer to a gambit like that as a "noobish mistake" if you understood what was going on.

DemonHybrid wrote:
TheLonging wrote:
Vote: Fugitive[/b[ This is not an RVS vote. He's really dangerous as scum. We should all keep an eye on him.

Also Jack's post was so obvious. If you think he's actually a traitor...
See Pie's post. =P

Friend's up there on the scum list at the moment despite it being too early, Jack's neutral until he says more.

Waiting for Friend's reply to Pie's post.

Here, Demon blatantly piggybacks after your defense of him, never mentioning me or my vote on him until you show up.

TheLonging wrote:Pie only went for Friend and not DH. I assume this is because Pie just jumped on a non-SH member (LOLBIAS)

Anyways this is retarded. Can we not talk about how Jack got us out of RVS? Any more discussion is useless, and those who pursue it (IE: DH) should be questioned further.

I rest my case Your Honor.

Don't like this one bit - talking about how Jack got us out of RVS is good.

TheLonging wrote:He's saying that DH's normal meta would be to see how obvious Jack would be doing, so he voted for Friend instead. He never once considered DH voting Jack for the same reasons.

IP obviously won't say yes, it'll just make him look stupid.

You're putting words into people's mouths. I don't think he was saying that at all.

InflatablePie wrote:
ManfredvonKarma wrote:
InflatablePie wrote:I figured DH would see how obvious Jack was being, so I didn't think of this. I see where you're coming from, but I think Friend is more opportunistic.
So, you're fine with DH voting Jack, but not fine with Friend voting for DH using the exact logic that you gave for voting Friend?
This is getting confusing.

I don't find DH voting Jack scummy.
I find Friend jumping onto an easy target scummy.

It may be similar logic, but it has to do with timing as well.

But DH was jumping onto an easy target, so it's the same idea. I'm not sure quite what the difference here is.

Haschel Cedricson wrote:EBOWP: The case on Friend is a good one too. I don't like his apparent assumption that the trap was intended for DH.

That's what it felt like to me. I don't think Demon took it at face value, but rather acted like he did so he could throw the vote down.

Friend · Post Post #71 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:21 am

InflatablePie wrote:It's too obvious for scum to say "Hey, let me jump on someone who claimed Traitor and throw myself out into the open!"

This is WIFOM, really. Have you played any games with Demon?

DemonHybrid · Post Post #72 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:22 am

This is getting good.

I'm starting to know who to go after.

Going to wait a little bit more though until I go through with a serious vote.

Friend · Post Post #73 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:23 am

I'll assume you're referring to me.

What, specifically, are you waiting for?

ISO · Post Post #74 (ISO) » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:23 am

ready2rock wrote:Also, scum's first instinct if they see someone who might be a traitor is not to vote for them.

@HC: yes, I think it's that obvious. For an experienced player to post something like that is very obvious. I don't think that anyone would actually believe that he was a traitor even if I hadn't posted that.

Well, we'll never know, will we, Mr. Whistleblower?