NY 117: The Vanillaside (Game over)

[Incognito]

Incog, why is that wagon better than others?

cuz I don't like MPR's post 18. If you look close enough at it, I'm sure you could figure out why.

[Nachomamma8]

I hate that Professor Leyton guy already.

[MehPlusRawr]

Incog, why is that wagon better than others?

cuz I don't like MPR's post 18. If you look close enough at it, I'm sure you could figure out why.

TownSpyre would've caught scum by now. It's a perfectly reasonable post.

[MehPlusRawr]

...for RVS.

[Incognito]

How do you know SSBF isn't scum?

[Socrates]

@Incog: Mmm. If you are referring to what I think you are referring to, then eh. I personally have never seen that kind of thing ever actually result in a scum flip.

I hate that Professor Leyton guy already.

Then everything is going as planned.

[Incognito]

Socrates, I think it's somewhat comparable to this post made by a fairly newer scum player during the so-called RVS in a past game I modded. I'm not kicking and screaming for MPR's lynch right now, but I'd rather like to pursue this avenue.

[Socrates]

Very well.

@SSBF: Why did you vote MPR?

(In retrospect, I think I did this in the wrong order.)

[Ellibereth]

Oh hai der.

[Super Smash Bros. Fan]

I think we need to use the bankable idea to the towns advantage.

No we shouldn't lynch immediately, that would be horribly detrimental to the town, but I think it would be a good idea to not wait until the deadline to lynch. If we were to wait until the deadline, we would start to notice the Days to decline and we would have less time to find scums overall. I'm going to do some math here.

Day 1 deadline: Twenty-one days
Day 2 deadline: Fifteen days
Day 3 deadline twelve days
Day 4 and onward deadline: nine days

Twenty-one days is standard for most Mafia games. Lots of time, right? However, that will start to decline. Luckily, every day that is not used gets carried on to the next Day. We need to use this wisely.

My suggestion for the first day is to lynch around six days before the Day 1 deadline. Doing some math, this rounds up to 29% of the time saved, which would put us in a position where we can use the same amount on Day 2.

We will still need to conserve, however. Day 2 and Day 3, we should consider conserving as close to the 29% of a Day deadline as we can. Doing this will leave us with this result:

Day 2: Twenty-one days (29% of Day 1 conserved, lynched six days before deadline)
Day 3: Eighteen Days (29% of Day 2 conserved, lynched six days before deadline)
Day 4: Twelve Days (28% of Day 3 conserved, lynched five days before deadline)
Day 5 and onward: Nine Days

This looks a lot better to you, doesn't it? This will give us more ability to scum hunt in a longer period of time and benefits town more then scum, so we don't have to rush nearly as much.

Any opinion on the idea? When do you think we should lynch on each Day?

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@SSBF: Why did you vote MPR?

One it was because it was RVS. Two was to help form a bandwagon on him to see how he would react. So far, it's working. Like for example:

Oh, hey, I don't feel like shouting. Let's wagon someone else. I have a feeling this MPR dude is town.

Why is he concerned about a bandwagon that isn't even based on him being scummy? It's not like we're planning on lynching him yet.

[DemonHybrid]

@SSBF: Why did you vote MPR?

One it was because it was RVS. Two was to help form a bandwagon on him to see how he would react. So far, it's working. Like for example:

Oh, hey, I don't feel like shouting. Let's wagon someone else. I have a feeling this MPR dude is town.

Why is he concerned about a bandwagon that isn't even based on him being scummy? It's not like we're planning on lynching him yet.

I don't like how he dropped his yelling act at the same time that he made this post. Seriousness + worry = I think he's scum, so I'm going to keep my vote on him at the moment.

[xRECKONERx]

Socrates, can you go ahead and claim scum, please?

[MehPlusRawr]

Actually, I just couldn't figure out a way to say it in caps that didn't sound grammatically awkward. And yeah, anyone who gets voted 5 times in 5 posts gets concerned, unless they're a jester. Hi Elli.

[MehPlusRawr]

And no, I'm not *concerned* that I'll be lynched, as such. I figured that I should comment on the fact that I'm the closest to dying as of yet.

[DemonHybrid]

Actually, I just couldn't figure out a way to say it in caps that didn't sound grammatically awkward. And yeah, anyone who gets voted 5 times in 5 posts gets concerned, unless they're a jester. Hi Elli.

And no, I'm not *concerned* that I'll be lynched, as such. I figured that I should comment on the fact that I'm the closest to dying as of yet.

Then what are you concerned about?

[Socrates]

Socrates, can you go ahead and claim scum, please?

Okay. I am a Werewolf roleblocker.

[Super Smash Bros. Fan]

And yeah, anyone who gets voted 5 times in 5 posts gets concerned,

I don't see a good reason to be concerned over a bandwagon that started over RVS that put you only at L-3. Since we're starting to move away from RVS, I highly doubt you'll be quick lynched anytime soon.

And no, I'm not *concerned* that I'll be lynched, as such. I figured that I should comment on the fact that I'm the closest to dying as of yet.

Did we ever say that you were concerned about being lynched? The best I could find was that you were concerned over a RVS bandwagon. Also, I'm not sure how the "Let's wagon someone else!" comment was related to commenting on you being the closest to being lynched. I think you're overreacting on the situation.

[Ellibereth]

Hai Meh! How have ya been feeling?

[Korts]

vote: Socrates

Don't seem to remember you preferring to go without a random vote.

...for RVS.

Make no apologies. Specially not for "RVS". Fucking hate that phrase.

As for Reck getting vigged: no. If Reck is to die by the town's hands, he will be lynched, no way are we going to vanillize a town killing role. I think this discussion can be fruitful--Reck's death means robbing the scum of being able to fuck with our heads, but also the town of a confirmed innocent down the line. Now, I think having a confirmed innocent in the endgame is very valuable, but will the scum keep him around for that long? Discuss.

[MehPlusRawr]

Actually, I just couldn't figure out a way to say it in caps that didn't sound grammatically awkward. And yeah, anyone who gets voted 5 times in 5 posts gets concerned, unless they're a jester. Hi Elli.

And no, I'm not *concerned* that I'll be lynched, as such. I figured that I should comment on the fact that I'm the closest to dying as of yet.

Then what are you concerned about?

The second quote was attempting to rephrase the term "concerned," because though it's obviously a matter of interest to me that I'm being wagoned, I'm not actually worried that I'm about to be lynched.

And yeah, anyone who gets voted 5 times in 5 posts gets concerned,

I don't see a good reason to be concerned over a bandwagon that started over RVS that put you only at L-3. Since we're starting to move away from RVS, I highly doubt you'll be quick lynched anytime soon.

And no, I'm not *concerned* that I'll be lynched, as such. I figured that I should comment on the fact that I'm the closest to dying as of yet.

Did we ever say that you were concerned about being lynched? The best I could find was that you were concerned over a RVS bandwagon. Also, I'm not sure how the "Let's wagon someone else!" comment was related to commenting on you being the closest to being lynched. I think you're overreacting on the situation.

The wagon was growing too quickly for my liking. And yes, you did say that I was concerned about being lynched, in this quote.

Oh, hey, I don't feel like shouting. Let's wagon someone else. I have a feeling this MPR dude is town.

Why is he concerned about a bandwagon that isn't even based on him being scummy? It's not like we're planning on lynching him yet.

It's not even close to an overreaction, either. It translates to "Eh, I'm getting voted, but it's RVS so it doesn't really matter. Anyways, I always like having other people getting lynched over me, because I'm always confirmed FMPOV as whatever alignment I am, and lynching people of my alignment brings me further from winning!"

...that last sentence was awkward.


Korts, I was kidding about vigging Reck, it's a continuation of the signup thread. I don't think we should lynch him, though- we lose a lynch and a confirmed innocent, all for a bit of redirection. Redirection can screw us over regardless of a vanilizer, anyway.

Elli, I've been pretty good, aside from losing a game earlier because my scumteam didn't submit a kill. (Nightless game, we were both lazy, we thought we had won as the lynch caused us to have an equal number of scum and town. Still.)



MPR's Meta Tip of the Day: If I'm posting, I'm town. If I'm not posting, I'm either town or scum.

[Seraphim]

Alright.

Vote: Socrates

Korts is right on the money though not for the reasons he thinks.

[MehPlusRawr]

The second quote was attempting to rephrase the term "concerned," because though it's obviously a matter of interest to me that I'm being wagoned, I'm not actually worried that I'm about to be lynched.


The wagon was growing too quickly for my liking. And yes, you did say that I was concerned about being lynched, in this quote.

This, by the way, is not a contradiction. Again, a rephrasement is in order- I'm not worried that I'll be lynched from scumminess right now, but I'm slightly nervous that a whole bunch of people voted me quickly. Quicklynches are bad. Like quicksilver. I think that gives you cancer.

[Super Smash Bros. Fan]

@Korts: Keeping xRECKONERx alive until endgame will be a very daunting task to do. We do not want to lynch him for sure and we obviously cannot afford him to be NK'd. With no protection role for the town, scum is going to be hard-pressed to keep him around, especially if he were to give his all to help the town. Prehaps him being completely useless until endgame would help his chance of survival, as scums like useless townies, but we all know how much we hate useless confirmed townies.

Basically, the chances of xRECKONERx living to endgame is very, very slim.

However, while we don't want xRECKONERx to die, one benefit of his death by scums hand is that scum would have to give up one of there power role and become Mafia Goon. It would suck to see a confirmed townie die, but at least scum loses a power role, so that's something to gain from xRECKONERx's death.

Either way, the Town Power Roles should do nothing to him during the Night.

And I had another realization. With a Vigilante, if we lynch scum ToDay, kill scum ToNight, and lynch scum agan Tommorow, town wins. Yes, a Day 2 victory for the Town is possible. But we need to be completely accurate with lynching and the Vigilante killing scums and hope that the Vigilante doesn't die.

[MehPlusRawr]

*points SSBF toward the Redirector role*

[Socrates]

vote: Socrates

Don't seem to remember you preferring to go without a random vote.

I random vote only very occasionally. Even then I usually have some kind of reason behind it.

The only game we played together I didn't random vote, so I don't know where you get that characterization.

Alright.

Vote: Socrates

Korts is right on the money though not for the reasons he thinks.

I am intrigued.

As for killing Reck, it might save on a lot of headaches, but I don't think it would benefit the town much strategically. Redirector can still cause a lot of hell even without vanillaizing people and the cost is too high.