Mafia 29: Mafia - Game over!

[Coron]

This

is

a special case. starting with day is very unusual and making a practically random lynch can be saved for tomorrow.
We give the baddies

nothing

by not lynching.
The "no lynch is the devil" concept doesen't apply when you start with day.
Don't you see that all sorts of proi-town roles can make more informed night choices under these circumstances/
Making a random lynch on a free day (day 0!) will almost certainly hurt the town. No lynching will not.

we want to hurt town don't we? LYNCH HIM!

[Coron]

besides you can definately read some people.

[Mastermind of Sin]

exactly...

[olliep13]

Unvote, Vote No Lynch

I agree that we didn't have enough reason to vote HairyMezican and his role claim seems credible. A No Lynch today is a better idea.

[Coron]

[*]Below is the role PM of the standard player without a night choice.

You are a

Goon

(Pro-Mafia)
You have no night choices. You win when all anti-mafia groups are dead.

Well he claimed the only thing we know for sure. It seems like that isn't exactly the most believable.

[Locus Cosecant]

I'm not necessarily for lynching HairyMezican, but I'm definitely against a no-lynch. Carpe Diem, people

[JDTAY]

Oh, so we're speaking Latin now?

Locus delenda est!

[lazarusmoth]

Not really comfortable with the no-lynch scenario and starting the next day on zero again. I think a lynch ought to provide us with a little bit of information as opposed to none.

[commify]

I'm inclined to agree. We're going to have to start lynching sometime. Let's just try not to be too hasty--the bandwagon on HairyMezican got rolling quickly. We wanna make sure we nab a townie.

Also, if I don't post for a day or so, it's because of finals.

[bloojay]

lazarusmoth is right. If we do not lynch anybody today, then we'll be no better off at all. With a lynch we'll at least have a possible chance at nabbing somebody today, but if not then oh well, at least we know he wasn't lying and we hang our heads in shame. but Mezican's claim works for now.

Unvote HairyMezican

[Mastermind of Sin]

how does his claim work? that's like someone claiming townie in any other game...do you just believe them anyway? Remind me to claim townie whenever I'm mafia in a game with you...

[Uraj45]

Gah! you know what I meant. Confusing game. . .
I reiterate. To say that we get no information if we no lynch today is dead wrong.
I ask

you

[i/]

to tell me how we

don't

[HairyMezican]

What information are you talking about Uraj? The cop's night investigation? He usually doesn't come forward day 1 does he? It not as if the majority of us will have access to that information. And the cop will have more information to base his investigation off of if we lynch. If I am mistaken about the infromation you were referring to, please correct me, but I just don't see it.

[HairyMezican]

My Current Suspect List - (Yes I am paranoid)

Lurkers - these people haven't posted much
joe - newbie, so I'm not sure how much this means
olliep - also a newbie
Maximus
ZONEACE
PeaceBringer - not really lurking per se, but doesn't he usually post a lot more than this?

"No Lynch" camp - normally I've only seen mafia promote this, I would be surprised if there were no evil townies on here
Uraj45
olliep
GenocideHeart

People who voted for me - I was an easy target for the townies to try to get votes onto, and it seems odd that I would get that many votes that quickly if there were no scum on this list
Maximus
Mastermind of Sin
PeaceBringer - hot spot
LocusCosecant - hot spot
olliep
Lazarus Moth
bloojay

As Locus talks more and more, he seems more and more like mafia, although his original vote for me, which lacked any discussion made him seem like a townie, he doesn't seem like suspect #1 anymore, so I will go ahead and

unvote

My top two suspects right now are olliep, and PeaceBringer. Since olliep is rather new at this, I'm not sure if the fact that he is on all 3 lists is just because he is new at this, or because he is scum, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt for right now.

PeaceBringer on the other hand was #3 to vote for me, hasn't been posting as much as he normally does, and seems to want public approval before he proceeds. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that PeaceBringer is a townie.

vote: PeaceBringer

[PeaceBringer]

Hairy MExican-- It is first day, we pick at straws. Care to go check my recent games and see how much I have posted on day one or even what my level of posting is. I also BTW, am one that changes up how I approach interacting in a game. Feel free to check out games I am in or have been in. I would gladly post you links to games at other sites. My posting and voting placement has nothing to do with wether GG or BG.

You jumped on someone for minor stuff and folks reacted quickly. I voted to get reaction and see what is going on. I then unvoted (something I do a lot of regardless of role) and looking at what happens. What pray tell have we to discuss or interact about on a day one. We need stuff to happen. I have learned a lot recently about my being more effective if I watch reactions generated by others rather then trying to cause reactions myself. I still do it some, but get better reads by sitting back.

[PeaceBringer]

oops, GDB not double checking before posting. didn't unvote because HM you claimed to be "safe" goal on day one is to get through without lynching a role player and hope to lynch scum. I suspect HM you picked someone in the so-called "hot spot" in order to try and bandwagon quick. I always suspected "town" claims who put up a strong fight to survive, especially on day one.


at any rate, since I would prefer to get through this day I am not going to unvote because HM-- you pretty much declared yourself a "safelynch" if this is not true I have nothing else to go on.

[PeaceBringer]

Sorry folks for the triple posting but another thought.

In my experience I have seen frequently that scum more often tend to be off-voting on dayone lynches then onvoting. The reason for this is because they know who is clean and not and in essence look clean by avoiding a day one run-up.

No I will go back to observing. HM the plain fact is you are safe lynch.

[Quagmire]

I really don't think we get any information from a no lynch. All we do is pretty much lose an innocent - we must lynch someone today.

UNVOTE

- lemme think of who to vote in the next day or so.

[olliep13]

HairyMezican:
I disagree with the way you've listed suspects in your last post.

Firstly, I don't think I "haven't posted much". I'm sure there are other people who havent posted as much as me. Yeah, and this is my first mafia game.

Secondly, there should be nine people on your "no lynch list". Only 12 people currently have votes on people.

Then you put me on the list for voting you, even though i unvoted you. I think that you should redo your lists and then you will realise that I don't deserve to be a suspect.

Still not voting. I still think that we dont have enough cause or evidence to lynch someone and we should wait til tomorrow.

[Scalebane]

although, Quag, going with lynch means that according to the odds, we'll be down two innocents.

[Locus Cosecant]

No, going with the odds means we'll be down 1 and 2/3 mafia, 1/3 of a townie, and have more info. What's so wrong with that?

[Uraj45]

I can see that I'm simply not going to be able to convince anyone.

Unvote No Lynch

That assumed. I would be perfectally willing to jump on the Mezican bandwagon based on what we have now. It's day 1, he's claimed townie, and he's made a few but worthvote poor judgements. Based simply on rulebook playing I would vote for him.
Except the reading I'm getting from him right now is not

scum

town. I simply don't suspect him. I just think he's playing poorly.

[olliep13]

Locus, do those odds include killings at night by assassins, serial killers etc

[KingEnigma]

If we no lynch, we go into a night where people start dying, the mafia may have info, but so does our most hated enemy the town. The town and such now know who the people who are contributing to the game and who arent and who to target tonight. They get a free shot at whoever and we are none the wiser tomorrow because of it.

We will still have to make a random lynch somewhat tomorrow, but after a kill tonight we eliminate one more person from the pool of suspects, and are that much closer to finding and eliminating all the townsfolk. We dont want to waste any oppurtunities that we have as the mafia right now.

Maybe I'm an idiot, but I really dont see any sense in no lynching today. We lynch randomly tomorrow anyways, why not do it today and just get it over with?

And by random, I mean without any real evidence to back up a lynch.

[olliep13]

Well if they don't, then I'm pretty sure that the odds are better to not lynch today. Say there are three townies and 18 mafia, then:
If we lynch then we lose 1 and 6/7 mafia and 1/7 town, resulting in a ratio of mafia/town to be 5.65
If we don't lynch we lose 1 mafia and no town, resulting in a ratio of mafia/town to be 5.67

I still think we should wait til tomorrow when we have more info before we try lynching someone.