iecerint + haylen
mothrax + sociopath
!!!!!!! = one ring to rule them all
give me some love colored magic you light bearing !!!!!!
if you have any ability to give an ability, or whatever, give me one for pegging everything based upon iecerint's revealing too much
The Dark/Shadow difference has been obvious to anyone who's been paying attention. The question was whether it indicated PR receipt or was a red herring.
But I don't blame you for coming to that conclusion, or pushing it, regardless of your alignment. Like I said before CKD was killed -- killing me is definitely the obvious thing. I just can't acquiesce to it anymore because we can't afford it with 4 rather than 5.
And I have no real argument re: vezok. I don't remember my interactions with that slot, really, but I definitely had other suspects most of the game, many of whom ended up being town (Beefster/M=W being a big one).
My recollection of D4 is that I wanted to lynch SP all day and everyone voted me for it.
I eventually lynched M=W because the alternate was self-lynch.
I was hesitant to lynch vezok/Haylen because of Soc's "she's almost certainly not scum" thing.
I do remember Haylen BCing my name, yeah. I can also accept that Haylen being my scumfriend would be one reason she might have known I targeted you. (I could argue that the fact that she screwed up at first makes it more likely that I'm not her scumfriend, because I sure as hell wouldn't let a scumfriend mess up that I'd claimed Neighborizer, but you'd think her ACTUAL SCUMFRIEND would be around to keep her from screwing up, too, which is part of why I believed her OMG I MESSED UP CUZ I HAVE 100000 PMS YOU GOT FURC RITE thing.)
Yeah, that's what I mean. That argument in general isn't very plausible, because we know that she WAS scum. So, either the whole thing was an intentional gambit, which is a stretch but I mean it takes EXTREME scumfriend fail for that to happen, or there was actual scumfriend fail.
We could probably see if any of us generally weren't online in the bit before that via Search to see if someone was lurking or off-site during that time.
that is still null, she wouldnt be guessing towards scumfriends
also you could have had the brain capacity to pull off that ploy, whereas i dont feel i'm as strong of a player
Yeah, true enough, my bad. So as far as I'm concerned from your PoV, it's just a matter of whether I told her to fuck up and then come up with a crazy story.
If I am Haylen's scumfriend, who was online is null because I would for sure have already told her.
If Haylen's scumfriend is someone else, who was online is not null, because whoever the Tracker was who got her the info (ala Plum's Tracker hypothesis that she got light for) would have to be present to tell her what happened.
BREAKTHROUGH: Maybe whoever it was was already a Tracker-Roleblocker at that point and Haylen thought he was Roleblocking me? Like, he said he was targeting me, and Haylen got confused because she assumed he meant RB, but then was wrong, but then whoever showed up and informed her of who I'd targetted.
Two abilities on one dude seems dumb, but it's possible if !!!!!!!! has to decide who to give abilities to, and vezok/Haylen looked like she wouldn't last as long as the other scumfriend. Tracker is relatively useless, anyway.
They could also just be on separate players if there are 2 scum still alive, but that wouldn't be another way to explain Haylen's weirdness.
I'm positing RBer because someone stopped me from Neighborizing AGar, and it wasn't SP.
Furc, aside from not sacrificing my reads for an "alliance" that I'm not a part of, I said that Iece can target scum. Not Iece targetted scum, that he can. Which means until he targets confirmed town, nothing else matters.
Haylen flip heavily implicates Iece-scum, at least from my logic and POV.
Haylen claimed a 1-shot tracker via gravedigger. She claimed that Iecerint targetted Furcolow once she got her result. Now, there is a possibility that Haylen-scum had a partner that is a tracker and had a positive track on Iecerint, but it makes no sense why Haylen would fabricate a partner's claim, thus sullying his or her out if run up to a lynch later on, and use such a poorly fabricated claim in the process. I highly doubt that Haylen expected to coast on that claim to endgame, I think it would be terribly foolish of a player to believe they could ride that claim all the way. Meaning that by using this claim with a scumbuddy tracker, Haylen has now sealed the deal for two players, which could be the entire remaining scum team at that time, or 2/3 of it. It just doesn't make sense as a play for that combination.
Haylen + Iec could be feasible. Haylen claims tracker, and tracks to Iec's neighborization. Haylen maybe gets an extra day out of things before getting taken down, but it doesn't directly screw Iec or incriminate him. It's a safe play, it doesn't necessarily cause too much direct collateral even if Haylen goes down in a burst of flames.
The only thing I wonder about is Haylen's sudden death, whether that might have been an attempt to cover any possible connections by her team in some form, if one of the !!!! players is scum.
For now, I'm comfortable with the deduction I've made.
It implies that someone thinks that AGar is making good analysis. I would agree -- that IS default -- but it's not correct this time, because I know my alignment. The stuff on this page goes into why something else might be going on.
I'm doing the best I can with a really bad situation.
