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[Furcolow]

vote: vezokpiraka

[Furcolow]

reasoning: has smoke, also wagons way too much, which limits my analysis or the ability to hold him accountable

[Furcolow]

THEN AGAIN Locke has done barrels of nothing all game. AND Soc <3

I wanna settle with Pac, but if y'all have reservations elsewhere . . .

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Locke Lamora

<3. We need more posts like this.

vote: vezokpiraka

You get your ass off Vezo and back on LL or consider my town read on you revoked.

i am not your lapdog

[Furcolow]

ha
take another look at me, i'm squeaky clean this game

locke saying I spam as town is actually insightful. Let me check that iso out, then I'll comment on that.

[Furcolow]

He didn't say that I spam as town at all, he said he found me weird and town more so than that I spam as town. That is also a very old post. Opinions can change. I was of the mind he was scum at that point in the game.

[Furcolow]

reasoning: has smoke, also wagons way too much, which limits my analysis or the ability to hold him accountable

This post disagrees with your belief in your vote.

"Has smoke" is terrible reasoning to vote someone.

Let me clarify...

WE HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE WHAT SMOKE MEANS OR LIGHT MEANS. THERE IS NO UNDERSTANDING OF THE MECHANIC AMONG THE PLAYERBASE.

You also are wagoning just as much as him.

So are you saying you're scum?

I'm all for a vezok wagon, but I do believe that Furc is scum. His recent play has convinced me against my initial idiot-town read.

smoke implies lies and deceitfulness
light implies goodness and justification
smoke is bad, light is good
do you really disagree with that?

[Furcolow]

answer the questions.

so instead of answering my question you vote me?

i have a temper sometimes with people, and i've had a rough week.

try again, why are you defending your locke vote here instead of explaining why you think he is scummy.

why would you ever try to vote plum at this stage of any game? do you really expect a wagon? I'm not voting locke, am I?

what about me on "this page" do you find scummy?

the way you asked for a claim

unvote;
vote: locke lamora

been suspicious off locke since RVS, multiple FoS from me i'm pretty sure

funny when people vote, they usually explain why a person is scummy, why are you defending your vote?

i am defending wanting to wagon as town in a vezokpirakian manner

also, you put him at -2, why did you not expect him to get to -1?

I was sort of hoping that we could lynch scum, and don't want a claim from him yet. Sorry. It would have been funny if scum tried to hammer right after I unvoted. I've done this multiple times in real life mafia and caught scum that way, but with this editing preview I don't think I'll ever be able to pull that one off unless the player doesn't read previews.

there you go ckd


Lets take a look at the LL wagon.
Locke Lamora (L-3) ~ Socrates, Iecerint, Friend, Plum
Guess what they all have in common? They were all just voting pacman. Both Sociopath and Vezokpiraka were voting pacman with him to bring him to L-1. I was on there at one point, but I have been very unsure of my voting this game. I am not slinging mud onto any of these 4, so don't take this the wrong way. I view them all as town. I am just feeling that SocioPath/Vezokpiraka were then the likelier scum on the wagon, and cannot shift their vote towards Locke because he is scum. In this scenario, we would have dual scum wagons going.

I can see that as being possible. Vezokpiraka rides wagons. There is only one time he would not ride a wagon ALWAYS, and that is when it is his scumbuddy. Otherwise, he would wagon the fuck out of any of you, pardon my French. With him NOT wagoning Locke, therefore, it is pretty telling that he is scum either not wanting to appear to have mislynched, or that Locke is scum with him. I therefore feel like vezokpiraka is scum either way locke flips.
I am leaning towards it being because they're scumbuddies.

[Furcolow]

Also, this makes him voting LL after this null and void and would be potentially bussing as I have now called him out on it.

[Furcolow]

ok so perhaps vezokpiraka/soc/LL are all scum
or soc is wrong if he is town

unless you can give me another reason vezokpiraka wouldn't be NOT reading and NOT wagoning
that is what he does

[Furcolow]

pardon the double negative, that's really awful

[Furcolow]

I am saying that vezokpiraka would have been on that wagon earlier had they not be scumbuddies because he wagons at any given opportunity.

[Furcolow]

if you can safely say he wasnt here to wagon, i will agree with you. since you are the most helpful to the town, i will vote with you

vote: locke lamora

L-1, right?

[Furcolow]

actually,

unvote

after reading socrates in iso
he was the first vote on locke, and locke has a pretty good point in that there is no case on him really.

I hate to flip flop on this, but i'm simply not convinced.
I am going to let him claim/respond to me=weird/both before I put my vote back on him if I'm going to

[Furcolow]

afaik glows appear when people are talking about the lack of voting justification
i have yet to research why smoke appears, but i will possibly figure it out

[Furcolow]

nevermind. i've found at least 2 posts disproving that theory...

[Furcolow]

I agree completely with you. I have had the same thoughts on it as you have, one good and one evil, and they pick.
I would like to wagon someone who is actually scum for once
Can we do that?

[Furcolow]

I'm still here if anyone has any questions for me

[Furcolow]

that makes me feel a lot more comfortable about vezokpiraka, which makes me less comfortable about LL being his scumbuddy. I'm still considering hammering him, as I'm not sure as to his alignment.

[Furcolow]

vote: LL

*crosses fingers*

[Furcolow]

well i viewed you as either a power role or scum, and i am honestly not the best at determining alignment, so sorry if you were town locke

[Furcolow]

im a townie:(

[Furcolow]

Let's stop the hatred. We need to come together as a town around me, there really isn't much of another option.
Who is with me?

[Furcolow]

we need 6 votes to lynch at this point
how many scum does everyone think we have left?

[Furcolow]

judge you know for a fact i am not scum, because you have a list of who is scum, and i am not on it

[Furcolow]

i guess me=weird is his scumbuddy, or dumb town
i am going to commit to this game, but it is 6am, and i have been up all night playing halo reach
i promise to do more in depth analysis tomorrow and give you some scumidates
i do not promise i will be able to find scum, but i do believe i will try unless my friends swoop me up pretty fast tomorrow.

if the people voting me are both town, i would be willing to consider abandoning ever playing mafia again
pretty sure it is scum trying to push a mislynch on me for the 3rd consecutive day in a row (see: mothrax)
I am pretty much confirmed town by how long mothrax and his scumbuddies sat on my wagon
I hate having to admit vezokpiraka is likely to be town, though

I am pretty sure me=weird/beefster's slot is a scum slot
I feel comfortable putting my vote there as a placeholder. I may keep it there, I may not. We'll see.
If I do some scumhunting, I'm definitely going to start with the people voting me, and Beefster was scummy.

[Furcolow]

oh, yea

vote: me=weird

as promised

[Furcolow]

Furc, I am curious, what have you done that you deem is pro-town? Do you think you have done anything that could look scummy?

I don't have a lot of time, but I can definitely answer this before I go. I am not saying that I have been a bastion of pro-town play, but this is NOT my scum play. If you want to see how I play as scum, I will provide you as many links as I possibly can. I have been pro-town only through scum attempting to wagon me and failing: mothrax, possibly, though sadly doubtfully vezokpiraka, possibly agar/me=weird today. Point being, I am admittedly an easy ass target for a mislynch... but we are not going to let that happen. By remaining steadfast, cooperative, and by not posting one liners I am not necessarily the best pro-town player in the world, but I am shying away from my style as scum which indicates that I AM town. By indicating I AM town, and by remaining through attempted scum mislynches, I am "doing things I deem pro-town".

Do I think I've done anything scummy? Sure. A few PR softclaims, claiming townie, wishy-washy voting, but these are all typical town behaviors from me. Scummy=/=scum, bro.

[Furcolow]

Furc, I am curious, what have you done that you deem is pro-town? Do you think you have done anything that could look scummy?

And now I will ask you your own question:
what have YOU done to help the town?
if you talk about light/smoke speculation I am going to vote you.

[Furcolow]

I can be bright, or I can decide to not spotlight as a townie.........
which is proper play.
There is a time and a place to spotlight as a townie, and that is when you absolutely have to.

[Furcolow]

unvote: vote iecerint

[Furcolow]

lol i guess my voting him is hypocritical. I expect more from him when he is town, and though I haven't seen him as scum or as a townie, he could be one of those moreso than a power role. I am pretty sure that this is his scum game. I'm not 100% sure on this, but I'm feeling comfortable with this vote, though I like him.

I'm also eager to see something that I will inform you all of later and reference this post to tell you of what I expected.

ebwop: how often do i get wagonned as scum? how often do I get wagoned as town? how often have i been attempted at mislynched by scum this game?

honestly?
think, friend.

[Furcolow]

*judge, sorry, thought that was a friend post.
I can't reference it, because it's from an ongoing game. I will be able to show you what I'm talking about pretty soon, Judge. Hold your horses if you're town. If you're scum, continue to convince me through this mislynch.

[Furcolow]

It is an ongoing game. Drop it.

[Furcolow]

And yes, I meant remove your vote if you are town. Do you really believe Mothrax would bus ME?

[Furcolow]

If we were scum together, I would be telling mothrax what to do.
As it was, I was all over his wagon, regardless of who was there at the end. I was arguing with his stupidity, whereas I should have been ignoring it altogether as it was obviously scum. He had his vote on me for like 2 weeks, though, and you're judging I'm scum, Judge? That makes me believe you are scum trying to get an easy mislynch. I've said this like ten times now, and I'm going to keep stating the facts if you are lying.

[Furcolow]

Friend, I am pretty sure Iecerint wouldn't just straight up have a one line post on a vote if he was town.
I want him to explain himself, and make him stop lurking.
Please vote him with me.

[Furcolow]

hmm. well, i'm happy with beefster/me=weird

unvote;
revote: beefster's former slot

[Furcolow]

me=weird, not ckd, iecerint

[Furcolow]

I'm still busy with homework. It's possible I won't get to post tomorrow, so expect some content saturday.

@Furc: That post is stupid. Acting like a VI isn't going to help us town.

you are by no means "us town" to me yet

[Furcolow]

@Judge

in response to #1273

smoke/light: that was sarcasm, learn to read
vezokpiraka being town/scum: that shows my indecisiveness and lack of a list of scum, indicating town
on VI/vs good player argument: If you note in the post you're saying "contradicts" I said *I* can pick up on the differences. Obviously, you can't, or you're trying blindly to mislynch as scum. Which is it?

Also, Mothrax was voting me the entire day. He was not voting you the entire day. I try my best not to bus people, and if they're not idiots, which Mothrax isn't, I wouldn't ever have a problem. I've had to bus one person in 7 months, and that was millar13, who is a complete.... well. He's dyslexic, so I feel bad for him, but he has comprehension problems which extend beyond mafia. Off tangent, you are likely town, and you need to actually read up on me as scum.

If you think I am scum based on my meta you should view me as lurking and being unhelpful with one liners
that is my scum meta
will i do that next time I am scum? admittedly, probably not, so this is all null meta, but I am trying to be honest with you and you are beating your head against a brick wall with this.

Why would you want to wagon an active town poster who could be held accountable? We need to wagon someone who is lurking.

[Furcolow]

p.s. i dont try this hard unless im town

[Furcolow]

the fact judge is getting mad shows my defense was better than he liked
also the fact he didnt really respond to me makes me want to bang my head into the desk, because i am fairly sure he is town due to his interaction with mothrax, and I want us all to be on the same page.

If I was scum, you can guarantee different people would have been dying in the night. Plum would not be alive.

anyways

vote: zwetchenswasser

reasons:
he hasnt posted since september 5th, his goofy post restriction early on, and I am willing to die tomorrow if he isnt scum.

[Furcolow]

I also dont want to be the third voter on a wagon, as that is indicative of scum, and I am not scum.
If you have questions, AGAR, ask them.
I will be completely helpful, honest, and cooperative.

[Furcolow]

well that shows how clueless i am

[Furcolow]

vote: me=weird

[Furcolow]

and wifom is only an argument mafia use to make town look questionable the way you and your scumbuddy judge are using it

[Furcolow]

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... start=1400

game in which im town, just finished with a LyLo win

[Furcolow]

the fact judge is getting mad shows my defense was better than he liked
also the fact he didnt really respond to me makes me want to bang my head into the desk, because i am fairly sure he is town due to his interaction with mothrax, and I want us all to be on the same page.

I got mad? I said I'm ignoring self-meta. And then cut a hole in some logic, asked WHY we should be wagoning lurkers (answer pl0x?) and moved to Friend and emphasized he needs to do something.

Lurking scum are the ones who are the most dangerous.

I also dont want to be the third voter on a wagon, as that is indicative of scum, and I am not scum.
If you have questions, AGAR, ask them.
I will be completely helpful, honest, and cooperative.

If you're town, you shouldn't be worried about looking like scum.

Why not? It's what you can convince people. If I'm town and look like scum I get mislynched. Why should I not worry about that? I disagree with you on this.

Why are you worried of following a very weak tell that is indicative of scum?

What are you talking about?

Why should we be wagoning lurkers as opposed to players we find scummy?

answered above

What gains do we get from wagoning lurkers?

Pressure on people who we have no information on will get us information on them through either them posting, them dying, or a claim.

Who are your top 2 scum reads, lurkers not withstanding?

I'm happy with my vote on Me=Weird because of Beefster. I am also suspicious of CKD. I'm not sure if they're top 2, but they're the first two into my head. I actually had to sit and think about this for a moment... a good moment.

Why are you still contradicting yourself?

Vezok - Why are

you

choosing M=W?

Also, what contradictions? I disagree with your "contradictions". Address them in detail, please.

If you keep spouting lies about contradictions and tunneling on me nonsensically I am going to ignore your posts altogether, Judge.

[Furcolow]

For the first question I asked - it's a general sitewide belief that town should not be interested in their self-survival. They still can win if they die. Worrying about your own death is something scum tend to do, as it greatly hinders their ability to win the game.

I don't give a fuck if I die in the night, I just don't want to be mislynched. I want to lynch scum.

For the second question I asked, I want to know why you're concerned about looking like scum. It has been addressed.

Because I'm not scum.

For the third, how do you know that they are lurking scum and not lurking town? Lurking is a null-tell. Active lurking is different, but you do not seem to be specifying.

I would rather pressure people who are lurking to get information regardless of how "null" said strategy is. Are you worried because a lot of your scumbuddies are laying back and lurking, so you are trying to get us to not utilize this strategy? If you are town, and weren't playfighting with mothrax trying to get us off your scent, you need to step up your game and stop fucking tunneling.

For the fourth, so you'd like to run up wagons and possibly claims on people just to get them to post? There's things called prods. And replacements. Both much more effective, in my experience.

Yes. I would like to wagon lurkers. I disagree with a lot of what you've said here. Prods are worthless except for one post. Replacements? Don't make me laugh. When I get replacements in a game they can turn a scummy slot into the most pro-town slot and still be scum. I hate seeing replacements. I have completely different opinions on how to play mafia than most people on this site obviously. I like to make it very apparent when I am not scum. That is just my thing to do. I am going to fix it later in my mafia career, don't get me wrong, but at this juncture in time it is inadvisable for me to do so. Maybe next week.

The contradiction here is:

the fact judge is getting mad shows my defense was better than he liked
also the fact he didnt really respond to me makes me want to bang my head into the desk,

because i am fairly sure he is town

due to his interaction with mothrax, and I want us all to be on the same page.

If I was scum, you can guarantee different people would have been dying in the night. Plum would not be alive.

anyways

vote: zwetchenswasser

reasons:
he hasnt posted since september 5th, his goofy post restriction early on, and I am willing to die tomorrow if he isnt scum.

and wifom is only an argument mafia use to make town look questionable the way you and

your scumbuddy judge

are using it

Look at the bold.

I didn't even post in between the two posts. What so emphatically changed your reads?

I'm not spouting lies about contradictions. I'm following up on a scumtell that I have seen success with in the past. You have contradicted yourself on multiple occasions. It doesn't matter if you disagree with them, it's what everyone else believes of them.

I'm not tunneling nonsensically - I'm simply gunning for who I find scummiest. I'm not ignoring other players, in fact, I've actually requested things from others in this very game in each of my 3 previous posts.

So far the only defense of you I have seen is Friend spouting "meta" which I don't buy, and you with a mix of WIFOM ("No.. if I was scum, I'd have done

this

..."), self-meta and asserting that you are obviously town based off of interactions with one player, while trying to accuse another player who had similar interactions of being scummy (hey look, there's one of those contradictions I pointed out, in detail). In my eyes, that's no defense. Also, about the mothrax thing, there's a little technique scumteams can use called "breaking the meta" where they do the EXACT opposite of what one would expect. It can easily be followed with a WIFOM trap of "Dude, there's no way I could be scum with him - it would be suicide for scum to do that." You're damn near close to following a similar path here with your assertion that your interactions with mothrax are clearing of yourself.

You ARE tunneling
"gunning for someone you find scummiest" when I had a fucking wagon on me from scum on day 2? You play like an idiot.

You are scum trying to twist everything dark into appearing like it is light. I am sure of it now. I was judging your reactions to my "contradictions", judge, and you've failed. I am not changing my vote, though, because I am pretty fucking sure beefster was one of your scumbuddies.

[Furcolow]

Iecerint, friend, can you please restate your cases on me? I would ask furc and vezo, but their votes are mindless bandwagoning(more reasons to lynch furc).
Friend, what AGar said. And please, if you're just going to mindlessly say that I'm scum and furc's town and provide pointless furc meta, shut the fuck up.

Oh, now you push on me when I'm fucking voting you
such good play, me=weird. Textbook, buddy. You're a great player, who'd you learn from, Judge?

[Furcolow]

I WAS VOTING YOU AND PUSHING FOR YOUR LYNCH BEFORE YOU VOTED FOR ME WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!?!?!?! I LIKE HOW YOUR RESPONSE TO CONTRADICTION ACCUSATIONS WAS TO "JUDGE HIS REACTIONS" AND SAY HE FAILED. JUST KEEP FLAILING, SCUM.

youre reminding me of how hoopla went all all-caps when i caught her as scum
good job

[Furcolow]

i will answer them.
I am town because I am actually responding to your stupidity, Judge. You are tunneling worse than I've ever seen anyone tunnel with 0 case and 0 real contradictions. Address any of those contradictions, like I have already challenged, not with linked vague posts but ACTUAL WORDS I CAN REFUTE, and I will make you see what I had going through my mind when I posted that in the first place. By tunneling me, I feel like you are likely to be scum who has been distancing and is trying to negate my inherently good scumhunting by making me constantly defend myself.

You have probably seen that Friend and I were just victorious in lylo, and you want us gone from this game.

[Furcolow]

@Friend: Questions in this post.

Furc, don't answer questions for other players, or are you trying to cover a scumbuddy here?

I didn't ask why you're town, so kudos for not reading posts. Also, if I generally disregard meta, why would I care about your LYLO results?

you're asking other questions about me
either address said "contradictions" or get off me

also, pacman, you have no room to criticize anyone's play this game if you're town

Also, friend getting a glow as of 1310 likely either has to do with his defense of meta and/or his distancing from wanting to bandwagon based upon shotty reasons as opposed to his voting. Since it could be a good or evil player doing either one, though light is much more likely to be the good player, we can't really properly speculate. I would assume that the good player is trying to watch out for me.

I did act completely different in mini 1000. I don't see where you get off claiming I'm acting that same was, vezokpiraka.

[Furcolow]

"-vezokpiraka seems to loom ominously as of post 1311..."

This is after a basic OMGUS from him. Nearly enough for me to switch my vote onto him. Thoughts?

[Furcolow]

You have not done ANY town things.

[Furcolow]

Friend, you're still ignoring my questions.

Furcolow, if you're too fucking ignorant to realize the contradictions that I pointed out in your own posts with links, then that's tough. There is no elaboration why each specific contradiction is indicative of scum. If you'd read my posts, which I don't think you did, you'd have noted where I said (multiple times) I found it telling of scum when players make multiple contradictions of themselves. Not players who contradict themselves on X or Y issues. Just contradict themselves.

If you had actually read MY posts, you would understand that I disagree there are contradictions there whatsoever. Also consider my recent post has gained light and yours smoke

That's two light posts indicating Vezokpiraka is scum. He is generally unhelpful and scummy regardless, so I'm not sure I'm convinced and want to vote him simply based upon that.


M=W or Vezokpiraka are the lynch for today.

[Furcolow]

on what justification?

[Furcolow]

Morning folks.

Sorry, I was sleeping off work.

VOTE: Furcolow

WHO ARE YOU?!?!?

Who, who? Who, who? ~Vi

LOL

[Furcolow]

I have this gut feeling and urge to see vezokpiraka flip
I guarantee a scum flip

august 19th
wow
my gut = good

[Furcolow]

oh shit im posting like zwetchenswasser
maybe i should act like a power role like he did

[Furcolow]

How about you feign a post restriction that only allows you to post intelligent thoughts?

Also, do tell me. Are you confident in your reads or not? You've said both this game, I'm unsure of which to believe.

If vezokpiraka flips scum, I will be

[Furcolow]

well, i'm happy with the lynch now, as we get information on plum being town or not town somewhat
i know that can be WIFOMy.
I am more sure of vezokpiraka, but socrates kind of somewhat cleared him... somewhat as in he may not have been the one making the kill.

i am happy with m=w/beefster's slot and have been happy to lynch that slot all game

unvote; and vote m=w

i am still pretty sure vezokpiraka is scum

[Furcolow]

that theory is old
hes just regurgitating it

[Furcolow]

light for the investigation speculation

[Furcolow]

smoke because "vezok/haylen" is not a good lynch, imo
i will do some scumhunting, just for you pacman
ill make a list in a moment

[Furcolow]

Smoke: chronopie (through animorpher’s post 41, 1419), Haylen (through vezokpiraka 407), friend (1343), Furcolow (1380)
Light: Iecerint (138, 1403), Friend (224, 1350), pacman(789), ckd(830, 1383), Furcolow(1102, 1347) chronopie(1376, 1419)

using the information friend was given, myself, friend, and chronopie are cleared
i don't really believe this, though, just trying to be helpful

i am sorry my scumhunting is being a little slow. let me have a little time for a re-read.

[Furcolow]

I know this is a weird idea, but we could lynch friend to see what his motives are
if he's town, ... well no, perhaps he was influenced by something evil.

Am I the only person who feels like Friend should have possibly kept that to himself?
It feels like he is soft claiming a power role through that. At the least, being able to communicate is key.

Friend, if town, is going to die tonight if we don't have a protective role
He really left us only two options to get proper information in my mind

option 1) lynch him to see if he's full of shit
option 2) let him pick a lynch for us sort of (the sort of being if his candidate is thought to be sucky by the town)

[Furcolow]

"sort of"*

[Furcolow]

i know a way we can confirm this squirminess
anyone guess what im suggesting?

[Furcolow]

Smoke: chronopie (through animorpher’s post 41, 1419), Haylen (through vezokpiraka 407), friend (1343, 1489), Furcolow (1380)
Light: Iecerint (138, 1403), Friend (224, 1350, 1452, 1455), pacman(789), ckd(830, 1383), Furcolow(1102, 1347) chronopie(1376, 1419)

the higher ups that be

really

like friend!

Scumteam: Chronopie/Haylen
AGar/Haylen? I don't think so. AGar would have had to have done some SERIOUS distancing and bussing with mothrax. I don't view that as possible unless they both have a deeply personal relationship for some reason. That kind of thing happens, but it feels rare to me. AGar is not a good lynch for me, so I am suspicious of Chronopie if Haylen is scum because I feel like it would be a possibly easy way to distance under the primary lynch.

What are people's thoughts on Plum and Friend votehopping around? I don't blame them for wanting a lynch. The town needs to use its power. Not necessarily at random, though, so I'd like it if you who are good at scumhunting would do so. I am not really that good, but I can help in other ways like through asking pertinent questions or trying to keep things updated like light/smoke.

Me=Weird is giving me bad vibes.
He is for a furc lynch even when he say yesterday I have to die. For now furc is scummiest. This may change though.

Vote Furcolow

Vezokpiraka FoS on M=W + Vote on me(town) = Scumbuddying

+5 town points friend
+5 town points plum

FoS Haylen

vote M=W

for being haylen's scumbuddy

[Furcolow]

mod please fix and insert random song for my post, thanks:)

Done and done. ~Vi

[Furcolow]

EBWOP: Still awaiting on your scumhunting, Furc.
Also, why the f*** do Plum and Friend get town points?

answer the questions i asked to the town in my post and i will respond to you

[Furcolow]

I give them + town points for seeking a lynch when the deadline/battery is dying through vote hopping
i view it as town

[Furcolow]

I thought the votecount was nulled and erased
I then realized my mistake, but wanted to see if M=W would "pull a wraith" like sociopath forced day 1

[Furcolow]

are you saying we should lynch you, or that plum sucks?
i disagree with your entire post

[Furcolow]

shut up, seriously
you dont fucking scumhunt
i have done a lot more than you, even compiling posts with smoke and light
you get off your fucking ass and quit being a hypocrite or i swear to god i will get you lynched

[Furcolow]

pardon not keeping it classy, mod
i hate hypocrites

[Furcolow]

furthermore, pacman, am I not on the M=W wagon? Did I not just try to get him to say something through faking a hammer? Don't you think him not saying "Bah, I hope you all win, town!" is pretty damning in and of itself?

[Furcolow]

I guess M=W hasn't been around. Still, though, if I need to impart information to him in LyLo and he's not here, what am I supposed to do? Talk to the trees outside?

I would rather have someone who is active and dumb than inactive and smart.

[Furcolow]

"I then realized my mistake, but wanted to see"

[Furcolow]

fairly fucking sure there are multiple glows, from small to larger, and multiple "smoke" or w/e.

Furthermore, quit spamming the most important votecount off the page, Iecerint/Plum.

[Furcolow]

pretty sure based upon the recent light post that pacman is scum. He was voting with mothrax there, who was scum. He also hopped on before the 3rd/4th vote which is a good way to stay under the radar. His recent pestering of me to scumhunt when he is providing no real scumhunting himself is sheer hypocrisy.

I'll do some "scumhunting", pacman, through actually listening to the light for once, and I'm voting you for voting with mothrax.
Even if you're town, you're voting with scum there, and voting me in that votecount.

unvote;
vote: pacman

[Furcolow]

it's not an omgus if i'm voting him for voting with mothrax... that supercedes my voting him because he voted me then. i don't even really care that he was voting me as much as i care about the circumstances surrounding that.

your defense of him is noted, considering you've been defending him all game.

[Furcolow]

way too busy to be actively defending yourself against a wagon?
wagon go i. m. o.

[Furcolow]

smell of smoke = botched attempted scumhunting... i hate seeing that.

unvote

i guess the light from that post might have been from something else

perhaps the bad !!!!!!!!! put that there, though, to confuse me.
I hate being in WIFOM land.

[Furcolow]

I bet the small glow player is town. That was extremely workmanlike.

Well, yeah, both have LIGHT FLAVOR and DARK FLAVOR.

But the gradations are either reserved for specific players.

These were the smoke posts, I believe.
They are both whiffs.
My speculation as to smoke being botched scumhunting/speculating I am pretty sure if correct.
The batter also went down. Perhaps it costs 15% to do smoke on a page? It was at 94% battery, now it's at 79%. I doubt it'd be 7.5 per 1, although that's what it boils down to, but I could see it being 15% per page on the battery. I'm wondering if one of the !!!!!!! re-generated the battery power, or if it was our discussion as a town.

There are several wagons that could be formed, but not that much scumhunting going on perse. People are more like "Oh, I'm checking in." than "These people are scum for these reasons". The town-people to me feel like the ones who are openminded to the nature of the moderators hints and clues that are given to us.

[Furcolow]

could you explain that in language that an old man can understand?

[Furcolow]

i have addressed that i believe there are different gradations previously to this. that should be common knowledge if i picked up on that.

[Furcolow]

you don't really do that that often, so why are you pushing someone else to do that? it looks like a scum puppeteer "yes, scumhunt for me" to me. You are pulling strings, but that doesn't mean you're not scum.

[Furcolow]

^ So, that looks like the guy in charge of DARK is upset that I called the LIGHT guy town and that I was wrong that both had both OR that both had different gradations.

ALSO -- there was an error in the relevant post -- the *DARK* guy lampshaded the ancient VC rather than the LIGHT guy subject to Vi's correction.

So basically, re-reading this, you are parroting AGar's defense of pacman?
It's all WIFOM anyways, really, Iecerint. Assuming there is a good and an evil, the evil one could have marred the good's helpfulness using the battery power.

[Furcolow]

Who is town? speak up. We don't have a seperate thread to communicate like they do. We need to communicate here. Who's with me?

[Furcolow]

it's not an omgus if i'm voting him for voting with mothrax... that supercedes my voting him because he voted me then. i don't even really care that he was voting me as much as i care about the circumstances surrounding that.

your defense of him is noted, considering you've been defending him all game.

lol what? What defense?

Point out 5 posts of mine where I defend Pac.

Or quit spewing garbage.

I hope you don't really believe I need to site 5 posts
I'm pretty sure I could pull 2 or 3. Are you denying I could pull 2 or 3?

[Furcolow]

instead of spouting off town reads...why not just give scum reads...why paint a kill target for scum? Top two scum reads from everyone would not only make everyone declare a stance and "narrow down the lynch pool", but will not expose those who the town believes to be the most town....

it is a scum move that only benefits scum.

easy
M=W(because of beefster), vezokpiraka (Haylen now)
both are good wagons, but we need to pick one
M=W himself hasn't been bad, but I really felt beefster was scum on D1, and I feel like we let that slot off the hook. I am glad it resulted in us countering mothrax's wagon on me with one on him and being successful on d2, but we could have done better if we would have kept pressure.

pacman + CKD (because of sebguer) I took as VI primarily, though that can be null, so I wasn't really against their dying. Sociopath/Chronopie would be a good lynch because I feel like they are just slipping by inactively.

Town Id put in Agar, Myself, Plum, Iecerint, and would be against any of these lynches. Agar less so, because he has been busting my balls.

ebwopreview: @ckd: I sort of agree with you here. I figured sebguer was scum, but your play has been really helping the slot in general which is why I've

[Furcolow]

it's not an omgus if i'm voting him for voting with mothrax... that supercedes my voting him because he voted me then. i don't even really care that he was voting me as much as i care about the circumstances surrounding that.

your defense of him is noted, considering you've been defending him all game.

lol what? What defense?

Point out 5 posts of mine where I defend Pac.

Or quit spewing garbage.

I hope you don't really believe I need to site 5 posts
I'm pretty sure I could pull 2 or 3. Are you denying I could pull 2 or 3?

Yes I am. I said 5 because you said I've been defending Pac "all game." I'd like to see this.

Well, are you disputing you just made one a couple of pages ago? Because we can sit and quibble about this all day.

Friend, you're being a lot quieter than your typical town meta
what's up man?

[Furcolow]

vote: haylen

explain your anagram
the most i can make it to be is like "obscene sir" or "bio screen"
what is the point of doing that?
even people who are town and try to crack that like I am doing are confused by that
it really makes you look like scum to me

[Furcolow]

Major FoS: Furcolow

For Role-fishing.

OK, so vote me.
What is this? You replace into a scummy slot, and now you believe you can just bark orders at people that even a person as wise as Socrates found town, and I will pull the post if you'd like. He made a very detailed voting analysis which pretty much confirms me.

What now, Haylen?

[Furcolow]

Major FoS: Furcolow

For Role-fishing.

My vote is staying until you explain your encription. It is obviously a code, if I couldn't find the proper anagram.

[Furcolow]

why would you vote her if you thought she was dropping a crumb?....

i just dont know if Furc is scum, or just a horrid player....i am constantly back and forth on it.

You are doing the exact same thing Haylen is. You have replaced into a slot with a lot of suspicion put on it. I will admit that you have helped the read on the slot, but if you continue making irrelevant two liner posts I'm afraid I will have to make a case for your lynch solely based upon the person who was playing the slot before you replaced into it which will be fairly valid.

[Furcolow]

I do not know 100% that scum give abilities, or even that my ability is from a player (though I assumed so, since I started out VT). I thought balancing ability-granting would be an obvious move.

You said you knew the exact post where you got the ability whereas I wasn't told that my ability was associated with any particular post. This is relevant for a couple reasons. First, posts are where !!!!!!!s make action, so it led credence to the idea that the !!!!!!s were responsible. Second, I wasn't told that it was associated. So it seemed like you knew it came from !!!!!!!!!s whereas I didn't, which would fit with you getting your ability from !!!!!scum.

Or maybe there was an alternate explanation, so I wanted to let you deliver it.

/drunkpost

An alternate explanation would be that you acted "holy" and "good" in a post if you are a good player, and "earned" an ability through good play.

[Furcolow]

why would you vote her if you thought she was dropping a crumb?....

i just dont know if Furc is scum, or just a horrid player....i am constantly back and forth on it.

You are doing the exact same thing Haylen is. You have replaced into a slot with a lot of suspicion put on it. I will admit that you have helped the read on the slot, but if you continue making irrelevant two liner posts I'm afraid I will have to make a case for your lynch solely based upon the person who was playing the slot before you replaced into it which will be fairly valid.

"a lot of suspicion"? huh....didnt Sub post like 3 posts? my post was irrelevant...I explained my stance on you....what

you

havent done is answer the question in the post.

get off my balls, dude
your slot was scummy
i don't have to answer a question from someone i have a scum read on

[Furcolow]

Major FoS: Furcolow

For Role-fishing.

My vote is staying until you explain your encription. It is obviously a code, if I couldn't find the proper anagram.

You'll find that difficult because I'm NOT explaining until tomorrow.

Also, Furcolow, when I replace into a game I don't give a crap what other people think of the person I replaced my job is to play the game as I would play a game, not do what other people expect of me.

and this is why i'm pushing for your lynch, because you are being very unhelpful while making an appearance to be. I feel like it is fake, that your play this game is fake, and that you will flip as a demon.

[Furcolow]

Major FoS: Furcolow

For Role-fishing.

OK, so vote me.
What is this? You replace into a scummy slot, and now you believe you can just bark orders at people that even a person as wise as Socrates found town, and I will pull the post if you'd like. He made a very detailed voting analysis which pretty much confirms me.

What now, Haylen?

This is the worst post I've seen be made in a long time.

Unvote
Vote: Furcolow

This is the worst voting post I've seen outside of the RVS in fucking forever
Furthermore, the fact you were voting pacman, then voting me, looks like you're scum trying to wagon on VIs.
Honestly.

I have also been fairly suspicious of you, sociopath, since you've been trying to slide by. Pretty sure at least one person doing that is scum. It's really between you and chronopie, and I'd have to say I'm leaning towards it being you.

If your play does not pick up in a pro-town way I am going to consider switching my vote onto you. I didn't mind your play as much, even if you were scum, until you voted me. If you were town there is no way you would believe me to be scum at this point. Have you ever seen one of my games where I am scum? You obviously haven't. Did you read the post Socrates made which cleared me? (He flipped tracker, remember?)

[Furcolow]

sorry, haylen, but scummy=/=scum
you, though not scummy, are scum

[Furcolow]

Yay for Charts!





That was 2 hours wasted.

Furcolow is town, though.

I would be surprised if all three of the unvotes after the claim (960-981, Iec, CKD, Furc) were all town. Furc is town, so he's out. CKD immediately jumped on the pacman counterwagon (981) and then immediately jumped off (982), which confuzzles me greatly. The jump on the counterwagon fits with a scumbuddy that was bussing, but then he immediately stops.

>.>

mmmm.

Agar is probably town.

Friend was the first person (other than Agar) to kick off the Mothrax revival wagon. Town points for him.

Both CKD and Iec immediately follow him. Those two names again.

I'll look at this some more later.

I came across a post by Mothrax that makes Plum very likely town. I forget the post number, though.

[Furcolow]

im addressing it. don't fucking quote 20 lines to make a one liner and spam that off the page scum

[Furcolow]

also note the I FIGURED SEBGUER WAS SCUM in that post

[Furcolow]

explain to me how that chart doesnt cast suspicion on you yet semi-clear me and i will answer your question

[Furcolow]

how convenient

[Furcolow]

SHUT THE FUCK UP, YOU OBV HAVE NO RESPECT FOR OTHER PEOPLES FEELINGS SO JUST PISS OFF.

pot...kettle...

[Furcolow]

explain to me how that chart doesnt cast suspicion on you yet semi-clear me and i will answer your question

I dont really understand the chart...so please explain it to me.

it means players like AGar, Friend, and myself are likely town
if you can't understand that, look at the mothrax wagon.

It also means that you/Iecerint due to your vote hopping in relation to the time of said vote hopping, and your coming off of the mothrax wagon at an opportune time trying to derail it makes one of you scum, and i'm leaning towards you.

Sorry you feel it's bullshit that I've found your slot to be scum. Socrates was suspicious of you, CKD, and I have been all game. Just because I find a slot to be scum doesn't mean I'm going to shout it from the rooftop. I have been waiting on you to implicate someone in your 5 pages of one-liners. The person you replaced was pushing me D1. Badly. Scum then pushed for my lynch D2. People I believe to be scum then pushed for my lynch D3,
and now Haylen is gunning for my lynch D4... coincidence? Then she goes V/LA as soon as I make any valid points.

That is why I'm not voting you right now, not because I find you to be town, but because I have bigger fish to fry



You must be thinking, if you thought I was scum, why weren't you voting me?

[Furcolow]

also, i don't mean to imply iecerint did that. you did. i am not sure where iecerint was on that.

[Furcolow]

Friend: isn't it also broken if it's townie players who the scum can't lynch or target?

Hey Furc, what information would you get from a Locke lynch?

That is actually a good point, but not getting information doesn't mean you're not scum

I am unvoting, as I didn't expect you to be L-1d, and I dislike CKD on this page more than you, so

vote: CKD

also, remember that?

[Furcolow]

@ CKD - i just said i was going v/la and that was a response to furcolow saying 'how convieniant'. Honestly, right now, I'm far to upset to answer any questions and I ask that that is respected. I'll be fine to answer tomorrow, hopefully.

if you're not lynched before then, sure

[Furcolow]

also, i don't mean to imply iecerint did that. you did. i am not sure where iecerint was on that.

well what does the chart say?

i don't know, maybe if you would get off your ass and actually do something instead of making fluffy ass posts which look like they say alot when they don't say shit and aren't pro-town at all............

[Furcolow]

then you would actually know for yourself. I'm not going to sit here and baby you. You can read, you can analyze charts, and if you're "such a better mafia player than me", like you're implying, you wouldn't fucking need me to hold your little hand.

[Furcolow]

I said semi-confirmed, I said somewhat confirmed, I don't remember saying "fully confirmed".
I can explain how the chart does that. Socrates did it for me. Due to mothrax starting the wagon on me, and the timing of everything in relation to who was on what wagon semi-confirms me. I don't know every reason Socrates had for making that post, but he flipped town, bro, and he's a better player than you. Drop it.

I voted a scum slot who is faking a pro-town breadcrumb. I have addressed this. You are either 1) a terrible, dumb, oblivious player, or 2) feigning ignorance. Which is it?

I didn't say "I don't think you are scummy". I said "you are helping your slot appear less scummy". There is a big difference. I am still very suspicious of you, and have been all game, but I don't mind keeping you around as you feel mostly harmless even if you

are

scum, which I am not sure of, hence why I'm not fucking voting you.

Lastly, when you say "You say you dont think Iece is scummy, but the maker of the chart did, so you are just picking and chosing information..", that is not what I said at all. I said he found either you or Iecerint to be scum, and I'm leaning towards you. If you flip town, he is likely scum, and vice versa. That's what Socrates thought.

Also, drop the ad hom
You don't need to behave like a spoiled child.

[Furcolow]

Since the conversation has shifted towards the M=W wagon, and I'll admit I was all for it because of Beefster's play, if you'll notice (at least I'm like 99% sure of this because Soc's color coding is a little weird...), M=W was on the mothrax wagon.

Is he smart enough to bus a sinking ship? Probably, but the wagon on me was VERY close to the one on mothrax. If M=W was scum, he probably would have tried to kickstart the wagon on me and wouldn't have voted mothrax. This is all WIFOM to some extent, but that is my take on that situation.

As a result of that, I am against a M=W wagon. I am for a Haylen wagon unless the consensus is that she can be helpful. Typically when girls are caught as scum, at least this is what Hoopla did, they talk in all caps. Haylen did that. Does talking in all caps = scum? No, but it makes me feel a little more comfortable with my vote. I am pretty certain Haylen would flip scum, almost willing to bank on the town lynching me if I'm wrong.

If we are not going to wagon Haylen, I don't know who we would be right to have one on. I am against one on myself, friend, plum, agar, iecerint to some extent, m=w to some extent... I'll really have to make a re-read, but I'm busy trying to fix my personal life right now, and just wanted to stop in to post.

[Furcolow]

I will consider unvoting if the town can actually agree on something for once

[Furcolow]

" Friend wrote:Can we just lynch M=W please?


Pacman wrote:
Oh what? So you have nothing more to say?
This is officially active lurking. QUIT IT."

Pacman wrote:
So, I'll go back to my vote. Vote: Me=Weird.

Pacman, you have both friend, M=W, and Haylen as your "scummy reads". I'll admit they're scummy, but WHY ARE THEY NOT TOWN? WHY ARE THEY SCUM, NOT SCUMMY?

AGar said "sitting on the fence", and your sheer terminology is sitting on a fence. Either call them scum or don't. It makes me feel like I was wrong to put you as a town read when you start contradicting yourself by criticizing friend pushing M=W, and then voting M=W yourself. That feels like you have ulterior motives as scum trying to push for an easy lynch on someone who was "scummy". While you mentioning vezokpiraka in that sense when referring to haylen, and always criticizing my play in the very back of your null reads (probably because your scumteam has tried to wagon me numerous times and failed because town has a majority.), makes this cemented in my mind even more that it is what you are doing when you are going for the easy calf in the back of the pack like a wolf sitting in wait.

It's funny that I can find you town through 30 medium sized posts, but when you try to mimic a huge town post I actually am starting to lean more towards you as being scum again.

unvote;
vote: pacman

[Furcolow]

hey light, is pacman being hypocritical?

[Furcolow]

What is the case on Iecerint?
Plum? your vote is unreasonable, as it is like "iecerint has no scumtells. vote iecerint. i'll switch"
I don't like that post.

[Furcolow]

Furcolow, "Iecerint has no scumtells. Vote Iecerint. I'll switch." Isn't that what you're saying about me too? That I'm not scummy but that you think I'm scum?

Reading.

but you replaced vezokpiraka, who is completely the opposite

[Furcolow]

at this point I'm really just ignoring Haylen
I liked the start of the post, read until "furcolow was being bussed by M=W", and just read everyone else's posts after that. I can't stand to see that stupidity.

[Furcolow]

unvote
vote: iecerint

I was about to make a huge post saying "socrates confirmed me", but i'd rather confirm myself
either you or CKD are scum, iecerint. I am leaning towards CKD, but we get information out of you dying (on whether CKD is scum) due to the vote switching on the Mothrax wagon.

[Furcolow]

unvote

for now

[Furcolow]

wait, no

vote: iecerint

Vote count finished as of this post ~Vi

[Furcolow]

this isn't locked? what are the numbers on town vs mafia in all likelihood?
anyone here?

[Furcolow]

I'll admit Iecerint did neighborize me, but scum can neighborize. I will not vote him at this point, as I'm sure there are other candidates. Unvote Iecerint, Plum/Sociopath. There is no way in hell I am scum, either, as I was trying to lynch Iecerint before this happened, and was part of the case on Mothrax/Socrates pushed for me as town.

As town, and considering I was not on the M=W wagon, I should get to pick today's lynch.
Anyone against that?

[Furcolow]

Chronopie, Pacman, CKD, SocioPath, Haylen
I want you all to pick someone from this list. Consider adding Plum. I am null on her, leaning town. Nearly null, I guess. AGar is semi-cleared by mothrax, Iecerint DID neighborize me, I know my role, and that leaves the rest of the list.
Chronopie I am ok with being lynched
Pacman I have interpretted as a VI, but he could be a scum VI very easily
CKD would surprise me if he flipped town
SocioPath is probably town, but he hasn't contributed enough to fully convince me. He likely is just good at imitating his meta as all slots.
Haylen feels like squirmy scum that has replaced into a slot. I also have no idea how she knew Iecerint neighborized me. I don't see how this fits in with the gravedigging claim, either, so I am going to vote to lynch her.

vote: haylen

ebwop: chronopie, unvote. I didn't know Iecerint.

[Furcolow]

unvote

friend said smoke+light=town
haylen=town
unless bad !!!!!! influenced friend with lies
so that leaves Haylen, me, Iecerint to be town I believe

mod, may I

vote: no lynch

?

See Day Rule 4. ~Vi

[Furcolow]

I would also be up for a mass roleclaim
We need something
We need to shine some light on this situation
possibly clear a kickstart to our heart

I am town

[Furcolow]

Neighborized town. Possibly a mason to a mafia.

[Furcolow]

talk to me on quicktime

[Furcolow]

yeah. i got on the phone. you still here?

[Furcolow]

neighborizer tag

[Furcolow]

I do however, think that you are just a very bad mafia player...if you flip scum in this game, I will take it back and actually give you props....but i think you are town....but are just really bad..sorry if you think this is an insult...I would take it as an insult in your shoes...but it is true.

if Furc is town, I will not be joining anymore games with him....

replace out then chief

[Furcolow]

Let's vote no lynch. Is there any chance we're in MyLo?
What are the scum numbers?
When will we be in LyLo/MyLo if we aren't now?

vote: no lynch

until we figure this out

[Furcolow]

checking my quicktopic with iecerint.... that dirty scum neighborizer

[Furcolow]

actually, mothrax hopped on the animorpher wagon with a terrible post. chronopie is very likely town. unvote him.

[Furcolow]

vote: CKD

until you get off of chronopie

[Furcolow]

or YOU could be scum with haylen.

[Furcolow]

oh, i just got off work at 11:30, haven't really read pacman's wall TBH. I have him as town, though. I don't really want to get focused in on "he's definitely town", though, so when I have time I should read it.

Get on quicktopic before I have to go in like 5-10 minutes

[Furcolow]

quit typing in all caps in there

[Furcolow]

You were.

[Furcolow]

from my estimate it is likely 7v4, with a scum as !!!!!, so really 6v3 in terms of who can post.
If it is 6v5, however, we have pretty much lost if we do not lynch scum. I don't believe that would be that balanced. If it is 8v3, with a scum as !!!!!!, which I doubt, we are in good shape (which we don't deserve to be as a town), so by my estimate it is 7v4 with a scum !!!!!! and a town !!!!! so 6v3.

If we mislynch, 5v3 (6v4)
they hit, 4v3 (5v4) LyLo tomorrow

[Furcolow]

vote: iecerint

don't believe his lies

[Furcolow]

i am up for chronopie/plum/agar/furcolow alliance
very open to that
id say lets leave pacman alive for now

[Furcolow]

Oic there's pro-town alliance talks going on.

I agree.

::Now proxy-ing vote to plum::

i am proxy-ing vote to plum on the condition it is not on pacman
i disagree with plum, and would side with iecerint over haylen, as he has been telling the truth about two things i can confirm whilst haylen seems a little aloof as to the flavor of the actions, which could possibly be because her actions come from the evil one of the !!!!!!!

[Furcolow]

That said I don't recall pacman posting a whole lot of substance recently. Urgh.

EBWOP: At my 1776 I do post some scumreads, but mostly based on skim-reads, and my former "official" scum reads, which are stated in post 1663.

Keep standing on your fence.

did you even read those posts? no? then don't come here with flaff and read.
stop lurking. if you actually do feel suspicious of someone, speak now or STFU forever.
dammit...

COME ON PLUM.
LEARN TO READ.

lol

[Furcolow]

I feel very comfortable doing this:

unvote: my neighbor
vote: haylen

[Furcolow]

damn, pacman
i dont even want to read all that

[Furcolow]

vote: ckd

[Furcolow]

bus

[Furcolow]

lynch CKD iecerint is town if he is scum imo and vice versa
information = good
iecerint being town > ckd being town (due to neighborizer = masons if he is town)
therefore ckd dying and seeing iecerint's alignment is important

asking plum/agar/chronopie to back me up on this one

[Furcolow]

nearly. i believe iecerint is more likely scum, but also more helpful if he is town as we are essentially masons

[Furcolow]

i feel him being possibly town is more important than CKD unless CKD is our medic/doctor/jailkeeper type protective role

[Furcolow]

I feel like I am getting ready to get into the Furc vortex where I will only end up being pissed because nothing he says makes sense to a normal person but..

Furc, I dont think you know the difference between masons and neighbors..please wiki it. Also, how is making someone a neighbor help the town?

"CKD dying and seeing Iece's alignment"..what is the fucking difference?...how will me dying help you see Iece's alignment? When I flip town that will tell you what? Iece is scum?....no...it wont...it will only tell you that I am town. This is nohting more than a set up lynch...."Well, CKD was town, so Iece must be scum"...bullshit or crazy person reasoning.

its ok, you can get in a boat, the world is not flat....its round.

I know the difference, but here it can be near-masons
Socrates said either you/Iecerint/me are scum, not all 3, and "furc is out because he's town" which i am fucking out because I'm town - deal with it. If you don't want to play with me REPLACE THE FUCK OUT KID. Quit whining. Where you/iecerint are polarized, if you're scum he's my fucking mason essentially. sure, he'd be my neighbor that i was confident on, but who gives a shit?

If you die, iecerint is scum based upon the mothrax wagon and vote shifting around it. It's not bullshit. Are you saying Socrates was crazy? I disagree.

Wow. Just wow.

/facepalmofepicproportions

We have scum handed to us on a silver platter, and pac follows up with Lincoln-esque tunneling and Furc has more bad logic. (Conf town Iec =/= guaranteed masons. He could target scum, ya know).

A re-read is necessary at this point.

why the fuck are you not sure i'm town?
everyone in our alliance is sure but you

I asked Furc who he thought I should Neighborize next in our QT awhile ago, and he never answered. So I was waiting on that.

I've now sent in a tentative target (I can change it after first submitting it so long as it's before the day ends), so I won't be caught with no one targeted anymore.

@ CKD -- I get the same vibe as you from that, kinda, except that Furc is probably town via mothy IIRC.

vez should have presents for us now that we know he was scum.

you need to neighborize plum, chronopie, or agar

i agree about Agar....but still not getting where all the Chrono love is coming from.

From me, believe it or not.

actually, mothrax hopped on the animorpher wagon with a terrible post. chronopie is very likely town. unvote him.

when he hopped on, it was actually important and useless bandwagonning. Sure, he's not cleared, but I'm pretty fucking sure he's town.

I read through Fate and zwet, and I can't figure out why they were killed. It looks like they mainly say nice things about scum and lead wagons on town.

The only player still alive that they really attack is Furc. Fate goes after pacman a little, but zwet defends him.

Probably just reputation and then looking town for the PR stuff were the reasons idk.

WIFOM
why push me if you are going to neighborize me at all? makes no sense.
you neighborize someone you trust if you're town
pushing me after neighborizing me = scummy

[Furcolow]

consider i won for the town the last LyLo I was alive in, would you keep your first statement?
what is your point talking about NK analysis?

I don't care how suspicious you are of me. Either CKD/you are scum, and not both.
seems pretty cut and dry.
I also feel comfortable mislynching once since we just got rid of a scum

[Furcolow]

im here

[Furcolow]

Morning folks.

Sorry, I was sleeping off work.

VOTE: Furcolow

WHO ARE YOU?!?!?

Who, who? Who, who? ~Vi

I SAID I REALLY WANNA KNOW

[Furcolow]

Vote: Sociopath

Were Sociopath town in a game with me in it, it would be the first time.

Vote: Iecerint

This guy is ALWAYS SCUM when I am around.

You guys are always scumbuddies?

[Furcolow]

unvote
vote: iecerint

LAL

echo
echo
echo
unvote
vote: iecerint LAL
echo
echo
echo

Fixed(?) ~Vi

[Furcolow]

mod please bold my above and add cute digital golden sun music please
thank you !

[Furcolow]

I have this gut feeling and urge to see vezokpiraka flip
I guarantee a scum flip

[Furcolow]

I have this gut feeling and urge to see vezokpiraka flip
I guarantee a scum flip

But Fur!
Vezo is like that...
...as town.



Man I want to see a VI vs. VI fight.
I don't think I've ever really got to see one of those before.
We could even take side betting.

BAM, ROASTED

SOCIOPATH + IECERINT CONNECTION
SOCIOPATH + VEZOKPIRAKA CONNECTION
unvote iecerint;
vote sociopath[/b]

even if he's worthless, i am more sure of him. we can lynch iecerint or vig him tonight. he deserves a worthier death, and where he is my neighbor, he might be able to take me out with him. i'd like to live as long as possible, town is in a precarious position and needs to listen to me on this one.

[Furcolow]

if only that was one post, it would actually work

vote sociopath

sorry for making the thread ugly with good play

[Furcolow]

whooa ho the magic bus

[Furcolow]

i would have been happier with you saying "you guys are fucking idiots" than trying to push a lynch on one

[Furcolow]

unvote

[Furcolow]

very true. pacman and mothrax had another wagon going with theirs (mine!)
i pushed one of them to equal the other so mine would be in 3rd, and it really paid off for the town

[Furcolow]

plum get pumped up again and vote someone

[Furcolow]

i should have clarified that, but that's why i unvoted! I saw u and chronopie just not voting. I would rather follow you all. My town play is fucking bad.

[Furcolow]

I felt like they were pushing dual wagons on me and pacman, then AGar and I saved us with mothrax... mainly judge tbh
That's how I remember it.

[Furcolow]

The gist of the posts I made is a series of isos where I decide that you are scum.

I never finished SP, though.

of course you didn't finish SP

[Furcolow]

yes, you

are

leaning scum

[Furcolow]

yes, you

are

leaning scum

, if you really believe it, then vote with Pac and SP.....if not, do something useful.

those statements are not inclusive like you made them sound to be
you need to drop the attitude or i really will vote with them

just because i'm leaning scum on you does not make you my #1 scum read

[Furcolow]

I don't take CKD/SP to be town on town
Do you take that to be town on town, Chronopie?
If not, who is likelier scum?
Consider Iecerint?

I am really up for Iecerint/CKD

If I had to pick I'd pick CKD
Would you vote him with me, Chronopie/plum? If noone will vote him I'll

[Furcolow]

I feel like sociopath doesn't resolve the issue, really. CKD/Iecerint = one of these are scum according to Socrates.
Iecerint claims this is bullshit, but I am going with Socrates on this one. One of these guys are scum.

If Iecerint is scum, I wouldn't be surprised if Sociopath is scum.
If CKD is scum, I would be surprised Sociopath is scum.

Perhaps we can lynch Sociopath, and if he isn't scum, it somewhat clears both of these guys?
That's actually not that bad.
I'm considering voting just for that reason. Plus it's at 24%.... I just don't want to be finagled. I hope that is the right word. I don't want the wool pulled over my eyes.

[Furcolow]

unvote (if i need to);
vote pacman

legend of zelda music plz

[Furcolow]

you need to take a stance on one of CKD/Iecerint being scum so when you are lynched we can see who to lynch next, see?

[Furcolow]

im here. i'm sorry i'm really behind, but i've been busy with work/the girlfriend.
may i get a synopsis of what i missed?

[Furcolow]

well, if agar and CKD were on sociopath when plum suicided
Iecerint has to be mafia in my eyes
furthermore, he has been sketchy as fuck in the neighborizer thread

i'm happy with this vote

vote: iecerint

[Furcolow]

which is the same as suiciding
quit arguing over semantics

i JUST told you in the neighborizer thread "i don't trust you" in response to you asking me if you should reveal information to me
if you were town you wouldnt need to ask

[Furcolow]

I recommend going back, reading Sociopath, and giving him the voice of Dwight K Shrute from The Office (american one)

[Furcolow]

1. dude, ok, but she suicided on him to kill him. yet again, you're arguing semantics. i know how a PGO works, i've had one in a game i modded. you're just being insolent now.

2. You already revealed your neighborizer target to Haylen... before the thread new.... and she ended up being scum.

3. No. You have more to worry about as scum, because you know i'm town, and you know that it's LyLo .. believe it probably is and you would know it if it is... maybe not in this game... this game is so confusing

explain: 1) asking me if i believe CKD's claim and casting doubt on that in the neighborizer
2) haylen realizing who you neighborized before the person you neighborized
3) Socrates stating one of you/ckd are scum, coupled with the fact there was no night kill before this shit with plum

rectify your situation or my vote stands

[Furcolow]

knew

[Furcolow]

if you're town, you need to stack with me on voting
perhaps we should just stack with CKD
hope u can trust me CKD, and sorry you won't be playing with me anymore :p

[Furcolow]

1. it's irrelevant
it's the past
it's not good to dwell on the past unless you are scum which you continue to do through beating this dead horse... hence you are scum.
2. that is great for you, buddy, except the fact of HOW DID SHE KNOW BEFORE YOU/I CONFIRMED IT... hence you are scum
3. it does make sense, and the fact you're saying it doesn't when I KNOW YOU KNOW IT DOES means youre lying... hence you are scum
it makes sense through you being cautious. your cautiousness implies you are scum. at this point in LyLo if you weren't scum you would be clinging to the grass on the side of the mountain so to speak.

1. You wouldn't doubt it as scum, either. You also would try to get me to through asking shitty questions like that.
2. I disagree that you properly answered that. There really is no way you can squirm out of that.
3. I disagree with this as well, especially if you play how I think you play. CKD = Town so you = scum. I'm sure of it.

here's how it makes sense: on the mothrax wagon, socrates highlighted either you or CKD was scum due to the voteswitching at a certain interval. THAT COUPLED WITH CKD PROTECTING PLUM.... hence you are scum
of course you disagree

[Furcolow]

(EBWOP: Also, "dwelling on the past" is how you catch scum.)

maybe you... not me. I'm in the moment, and at the moment I am completely fucking sure you are an evil fuck.

[Furcolow]

vote: iecerint

[Furcolow]

Light guy you need to give me vig powers so I can kill Iecerint

[Furcolow]

unless he is scum, too

[Furcolow]

I have this gut feeling and urge to see vezokpiraka flip
I guarantee a scum flip

But Fur!
Vezo is like that...
...as town.



Man I want to see a VI vs. VI fight.
I don't think I've ever really got to see one of those before.
We could even take side betting.

[Furcolow]

I am now suspicious of SocioPath if vezokpiraka is scum.

If?
BEFORE IT WAS A GUARANTEE.
GUARANTEES DONT COME WITH IFS.

[Furcolow]

unvote
Vote furcolow

DIE SCUM DIE.

[Furcolow]

echo
echo
echo
this is coming in waves... I am sorry I cannot be here fully in myself...
Perhaps I am not the hero you all expected. I do not have a fancy cape, and for Halloween this year I'm thinking of just wearing a nametag with the name "Jim" or "Bob" put on it. I am just an everyday guy.

I am, however, someone who puts faith in the powers that be. I know one of you all is good, and one of you all is bad. I know the difference between listening to the Lead Belly version of In the Pines and the Nirvana version. I'm sorry if you find my metaphor to be underwhelming to your emotions, but though I digress, my heart is pure.

I have shown you the interactions I have had with scum, Chronopie, and they are openly hostile. If you would like to see me bussing, or attempting it, I will show you what it looks like. This is not how it looks.

Iecerint pretty much has to be scum based upon us all pushing for Mothrax... I pushed vezokpiraka, and had a read on Sociopath I didn't even remember having! If two of you all are scum, not including the !!!!!!, then I hope that through this post I gain some sort of powers through SottyRules7 or whoever is the good guy that we can win through that.

[Furcolow]

agar > mothrax
chronopie's slot > mothrax
i was a wagon along with pacman and mothrax, and I revitalized the Mothrax wagon even if I'm not sure if I ended up on it. He pushed me ASAP on d2 to try to mislynch me.
I am town.
we can't lynch !!!!!!
Since I can be sure all 3 of us are scum, and through my knowing we have to be able to lynch scum, it has to be Iecerint.

It looks like:
AGar wasn't bussing mothrax imo
Chronopie has been town, and his slot was all over mothrax
I know my own role, which is Righteous and green, though I hope to get blue
Iecerint is a scum neighborizer. He has to be. I would not be surprised if he killed CKD with some dayvig powers.

[Furcolow]

Agar, please stop talking to him bro
lets just wait on chronopie
I was bill murray on teamliquid, btw, but I got banned there for the Haunted Mafia game in which I pegged two reds on D1, had 2 DTs claim to me (I was a hatter), but was a LITTLE bit too abrasive in the thread :p

[Furcolow]

iecerint i am fucking town, we all 3 know you are evil, you have lost
can you just concede ? chronopie trusts agar and i over you

[Furcolow]

they tried to wagon him too, and he was on mothrax. he is town. Agar was on mothrax all fucking day. mothrax tried to wagon me.

socrates said either you or ckd was scum, ckd was town, you are scum

nail... coffin