Open 258 --- Night Watch --- Game Over

[andrew94]

and yes, i was referring to ur nascar thingee

[jasonT1981]

and yes, i was referring to ur nascar thingee

Why? what was the point asking me about my nascar comment in a mafia game?

[smashbro_of_the_SSS]

Vote Count #1

with 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch
andrew94 is the current wagon leader at L-2

andrew94 (4):

HopOnMyJoystick, Dry-Fit, jasonT1983, drmyshottyizsik

Antihero (3):

2003041, Zdenek, Nameloc1986

HopOnMyJoystick (2):

andrew94, Antihero

not voting:

ooBAZZoo, curiouskarmadog

deadline is Thursday, November 4th, 7:00 EST

[PogoStick]

Sorry guys, family came in from out of town, kept me away. Just got to work, I'll read up today on what I missed

[nameloc1986]

nameloc has upped in my scum read as he is trying to get everyone to ignore me by naming me VI.
i have seen this tactic in a finished newbie game where a person convinces the others to completely ignore someone else due to 'vi'
i no like


preview edit: what? so i get lynched in about 8 games as townie on day1 to win in this game? huh, it makes no sense to me

1) I'm not trying to get people to ignore you, I'm just trying to warn people that you are an idiot. It was really meant to mean whether you are a townie or scum.

2) If I was "scum" trying to get people to ignore you, it would be because of you being scum. Scumslip maybe?

Seeing as how you are a popular Day 1 lynch, I'm not going to vote you just yet, but you're definitely tempting me.

FOS: Andrew

when you warn ppl that im an idiot, they tend to not listen to me- if your scum u just made ppl not listen to me

point 2- er wtf? your scum getting people to ignore me- town guy

Dude,

if anything

I was helping you out because people (i.e. Jason) suspected you as scum. I was trying to help explain what looked like your "scummy" behavior as you just being an idiot. With your track record for being lynched Day 1, I thought that should speak for itself. Also if you are a "villageidiot" meaning townie and I was scum I wouldn't worry about people ignoring you for you're not that much of a threat TBH.

[jasonT1981]

Which is why the VI play is the perfect way for Andrew to skate by undetected as scum. People just think its normal for him

[Antihero]

O_o I come back from marathon weekend and there's a wagon on me for some reason.

I'll post later today.

[nameloc1986]

Which is why the VI play is the perfect way for Andrew to skate by undetected as scum. People just think its normal for him

Yeah, but pursuing it this way is a little WIFOM don't ya think? I'm not questioning your vote on Andrew, but I think we really need to analyze him more before we claim his as our lynch.

[jasonT1981]

Fair enough. Yea... I guess what Im trying to say is eventually VIs need to be accountable for their actions. And we cant always give them a pass on being VI... eventally scummy behaviour, even by a known VI has to be accontable for

[PogoStick]

unvote

my vote on Andrew was not serious, the fact he got to L-2 doesn't sit well with me, I'm looking at these bandwagons and why they formed, I don't think Andrew is the day 1 lynch, even if he is scum. He just is too easy a vote and mafia can hide in there without any worry about being FOS'd cause it's Andrew.

[PogoStick]

Should say "if he is town mafia can hide in there"

[jasonT1981]

Im still waiting on Shotty to explain his vote

[curiouskarmadog]

this game is next to update.

[PogoStick]

this game is next to update.

Huh?

[PogoStick]

I agree shotty needs to explain why he put andrew at L-2 with no reason at all

[Dry-fit]

Andrew, you never really answered my original question about your attack on HOMJ. Why did you make such a half-hearted attack on what would have been a monumental scumslip?

HOMJ, what is your current read on andrew?

[Antihero]

Scum do act opportunistically.

I never argued they didn't. I just said it's easy for someone to say to someone jumping on their wagon "OMG OPPORTUNISM SCUMZZZ!!!" without really saying why, which is what shotty did.

This is his reply to Joystick's post where he comments that Shotty is overreacting to the wagon on him. Joystick makes no comment about whether it is scummy or not, but antihero interprets the post as an accusation and uses this interpretation as a way to attack joystick.

No, I interpret the post as active lurking and spaghetti flinging (I even said so right in the quote).

Antihero makes a post about opportunism, saying it's something scum would accuse someone else of (referencing shotty) but doesn't admit that scum would use opportunism either.

Of course scum can be opportunistic, I just don't think you were in this case.

...places suspicion on Jason after he answered his question???

First off, the intention of the question was to get Jason to give some opinions on other people. I didn't think jason would just vote shotty w/o a reason.

I think jason and dryfit might be chasing a red herring with this andrew thing, but I would like an explanation for this:

unvote

my vote on Andrew was not serious, the fact he got to L-2 doesn't sit well with me, I'm looking at these bandwagons and why they formed,

I don't think Andrew is the day 1 lynch, even if he is scum.

He just is too easy a vote and mafia can hide in there without any worry about being FOS'd cause it's Andrew.

I'm eagerly awaiting the catchup post by CKD.

[Antihero]

...places suspicion on Jason after he answered his question???

First off, the intention of the question was to get Jason to give some opinions on other people. I didn't think jason would just vote shotty w/o a reason.

... didn't finish the thought.

Second off, why is it scummy to not like the reaction to a question, even if the question is yours?

[PogoStick]

Andrew, you never really answered my original question about your attack on HOMJ. Why did you make such a half-hearted attack on what would have been a monumental scumslip?

HOMJ, what is your current read on andrew?

now that I am home and on a pc I plan on reading back through, I will let you know hopefully later today. I need to see if he is playing the same or different than I have seen him, and right now I just don't know cause I have been away.

[Zdenek]

No, I interpret the post as active lurking and spaghetti flinging (I even said so right in the quote).

Yes you did. I misread the post.

[nameloc1986]

...places suspicion on Jason after he answered his question???

First off, the intention of the question was to get Jason to give some opinions on other people. I didn't think jason would just vote shotty w/o a reason.

... didn't finish the thought.

Second off, why is it scummy to not like the reaction to a question, even if the question is yours?

Because the question felt more like a "friendly" question and then your response made me feel like you set him up for a trap.

Kinda of like:

"Hey do want to try this chocolate cake or this pound cake?"

"I think I'll try the chocolate."

"WHY THE FUCK DID YOU CHOOSE THE CHOCOLATE??"

-Exaggeration I know but the point is that he did what you asked in a sense. He jumped on a bandwagon. Then you jumped on him.

[nameloc1986]

I guess that does make Jason look more like a "follower" but being Day 1 and close to the RVS, I didn't think it was absolutely necessary to give a reason right then.

[Antihero]

...places suspicion on Jason after he answered his question???

First off, the intention of the question was to get Jason to give some opinions on other people. I didn't think jason would just vote shotty w/o a reason.

... didn't finish the thought.

Second off, why is it scummy to not like the reaction to a question, even if the question is yours?

Because the question felt more like a "friendly" question and then your response made me feel like you set him up for a trap.

Kinda of like:

"Hey do want to try this chocolate cake or this pound cake?"

"I think I'll try the chocolate."

"WHY THE FUCK DID YOU CHOOSE THE CHOCOLATE??"

-Exaggeration I know but the point is that he did what you asked in a sense. He jumped on a bandwagon. Then you jumped on him.

This is a false analogy. Also, it's an exaggeration to say that I "jumped on Jason."

I guess that does make Jason look more like a "follower" but being Day 1 and close to the RVS, I didn't think it was absolutely necessary to give a reason right then.

OK, well that's a matter of personal opinion.

[PogoStick]

ok to the person who asked how I felt about andrew's play and to me he doesn't seem to be as scummy as before, he questions me cause he suspects me and than gets put on the defensive cause people just call him a VI

[Antihero]

Hey joystick, when you do your readthrough, I'd like you to talk about this (esp. the italicized part):

unvote

my vote on Andrew was not serious, the fact he got to L-2 doesn't sit well with me, I'm looking at these bandwagons and why they formed,

I don't think Andrew is the day 1 lynch, even if he is scum.

He just is too easy a vote and mafia can hide in there without any worry about being FOS'd cause it's Andrew.

I'm eagerly awaiting the catchup post by CKD.[/quote]