Mini 1102 - Rivertown Mafia (Game Over!)

[el simo]

This is the worst post in the game so far. You answer your own question: you lied about the reasoning for your vote. Which is alright, I think lying for a pressure vote is often a good play, but you try to make it look like you didn't lie. Which can only mean you have something to hide.

But I didn't lie, you're just reading it wrong.

And I'm not hiding anything I'm just arrogant, I'm not going to let you peg me for doing something I didn't do, that would mean admitting I'm wrong when I'm not.

[el simo]

This is the best post in the game so far. The activity level here is absolutely insane. I'm not going to be able to keep up.

But you said you were suspicious of people for disappearing a few posts ago. Wtf?[/quote]

Good pick up Admiral, now this is actual backtracking.

Scum points for Umbrage.

[ortiz1193]

Simo: so you are now trying to say that your vote was purposely on umbrage after repeatedly saying it was random?

Ding ding ding I called my vote random once, and that was in the voting post itself. Now who's lying?

Unvote, vote: ortiz

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1.

I agree.

On a completely unrelated note I think I'll randomly

Vote: Umbrage

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2.

However, el simo's vote just

happened

to "randomly" fall on a developing bandwagon. Interesting, no?

Yup my vote was unrelated to the previous two. Why is this interesting? What are your thoughts on bandwagons that makes this such an interesting occurrence?

Sorry that you didn't use the word random again, but you implied the same thing. How can your vote be unrelated to the other two, but still a vote to push a bandwagon?

[el simo]

I was definitely not implying random, I specifically chose those words for a reason. My vote was unrelated because it wasn't there for the same reasons, they were voting for stifling discussion, I was voting to create discussion via pushing a bandwagon.

[Umbrage]

@el simo: So you were just bandwagoning to encourage discussion?

@chamber: I seriously doubt that.

[el simo]

@el simo: So you were just bandwagoning to encourage discussion?

Pretty much. Was looking for reactions from players but the wagon didn't pick up the current discussion were going no where. This is why I've been asking so many questions.

Still waiting on soras answer.

[ThAdmiral]

@ el simo: why did you say "randomly" in your vote post then?

@ umbrage: please respond to my question about your backtracking.

[el simo]

Why say randomly in my vote post in regards to what? That it was a pressure vote?

[ThAdmiral]

I agree.

On a completely unrelated note I think I'll randomly

Vote: Umbrage

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This is what you said. Why did you use the word "randomly"?

[Umbrage]

Vote: el simo

1. You said you didn't say the vote was random, when you did.
2. You said the vote was to pressure bandwagon, and you didn't lie about the reason for your vote.
3. Obviously, you did lie, which isn't scummy, but denying it is.
4. You seem to be building a case on me, which implies that the earlier vote was at least semi-serious.
5. You voted ortiz when (s)he called you out on contradiction, clearly OMGUS.

CONCLUSION: We have a player that disguises his reasons for voting, denies any deception even when it's been clearly pointed out, and attacks a player that made a case on him. We have scum on our hands folks, overcompensating for his nervousness by denying any hint of wrong-doing and going after the players who find him scummy.

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@ThAdmiral: I haven't backtracked on my stance that excessive posting is anti-town. When I gave my scum reads, I based those primarily on who was fooling around in the RVS, and who was looking for a wagon to jump on. It had little to do with activity level.

[chamber]

Umbrage, do you have any off-site experience to justify your level of arrogance? Or does it just come naturally?

[TheLonging]

"4. You seem to be building a case on me, which implies that the earlier vote was at least semi-serious."

This makes the whole rest of your case seem like utter shit.

[Olinea]

Umbrage, do you have any off-site experience to justify your level of arrogance? Or does it just come naturally?

wtf does that have to do with anything?

When I gave my scum reads, I based those primarily on who was fooling around in the RVS

Really? Because all I could find was this.

BANDWAGON!!!

Vote: Umbrage

Seriously though, Ortiz and chamber are obv scum. Quicklynch plz.

"Fooling around in the RVS" = placing RVS votes on you?

[Thirdkoopa]

So okay, I'm back.

That said, I can't come down to anything on the Umbrage/El Simo case yet. El, let me rephrase what everyone's asking: You're basically saying you voted to stir up discussion, yeah?

Also why did you OMGUS? It's too strange.

[Umbrage]

@chamber: I read the wiki like it was the bible. I'm not sure why you consider me arrogant, this is my normal playstyle so I guess it's just natural. If you have a problem with my play, I'll have to ask you to be more specific.

@Olinea: That's the wrong quote.

Ah, RVS discussion. *falls asleep*

Anyway, my 'stifling discussion' post spawned more discussion than anything so far, so I'm calling it a success. The scummiest players so far are ThAdmiral and Cyberbob. They come in, vote un-randomly, and disappear. Don't like.

Olinea and chamber have to stop the posting diarrhea. A long and confusing game helps scum. Don't post unless you have something to say. Always have something to say.

That's the one ThAdmiral was referring to.

[ortiz1193]

Why did you pick me and chamber but not mention el simo?

Umbrage, this was never answered.

Are these the scum reads you referred to in post 109?

[Umbrage]

Why did you pick me and chamber but not mention el simo?

Umbrage, this was never answered.

Are these the scum reads you referred to in post 109?

[ortiz1193]

Mmk, that works. Still though:

When I gave my scum reads, I based those primarily on who was fooling around in the RVS, and who was looking for a wagon to jump on. It had little to do with activity level.

What scumreads were you referring to? The ones you're saying were a joke?

[Umbrage]

No, that was in response to ThAdmiral's question about my second set of reads.

[el simo]

Vote: el simo

1. You said you didn't say the vote was random, when you did.

No, you just don't understand sentence structure.

Let me clarify for you.

If a country was having an election, and a citizen just so happened to be walking by an election booth and he decides, with out being influenced by the media or his peers or any other external influence, that he wants to vote. Is this random? Does the fact that the target of his vote was specifically chosen change the fact that the act of voting itself was random?

Also I never said the vote wasn't random. The vote was random, the target wasn't.

3. Obviously, you did lie, which isn't scummy, but denying it is.

No, lying is scummy, denying I lied when I didn't isn't. Claiming I did when I didn't is.

4. You seem to be building a case on me, which implies that the earlier vote was at least semi-serious.

I'm building a case on you? News to me.

5. You voted ortiz when (s)he called you out on contradiction, clearly OMGUS.

So not only do you fail to understand sentence structure, you have terrible understanding of scum tells.

OMGUS means I'm voting he primarily because he is voting me. I'm not. I pointed this out in my vote post. He misrepresented the facts and specifically used a word to make his case look bigger than it is. I did it once, he incorrectly claimed I did it repeatedly. This is a lie, lying is scummy, to claim I am voting him mainly because he is voting me is to completely ignore and disregard the posts where I prove that he is wrong.

Also, despite what you might believe, OMGUS isn't a scum tell, or a town tell, it's a null tell. It is more indicative of your level of experience than your alignment in game.

CONCLUSION: We have a player that disguises his reasons for voting, denies any deception even when it's been clearly pointed out, and attacks a player that made a case on him. We have scum on our hands folks, overcompensating for his nervousness by denying any hint of wrong-doing and going after the players who find him scummy.

Let me paraphrase, "I don't know what I'm talking about."

[el simo]

I agree.

On a completely unrelated note I think I'll randomly

Vote: Umbrage

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This is what you said. Why did you use the word "randomly"?

Because I decided to ignore the previous seriousness and specific reasons for voting him and randomly bandwagon him. I thought I made this clear but the amount of times I insisted that you were reading it wrong. The previous content of the game had no adherence to my vote and I wasn't acting in random in my decision to bandwagon him. The definition of random is broader than pulling names out a hat.

This is what Umbrage doesn't understand.

[Umbrage]

The vote was random, the target wasn't.

what is this i dont even

[ThAdmiral]

@ThAdmiral: I haven't backtracked on my stance that excessive posting is anti-town. When I gave my scum reads, I based those primarily on who was fooling around in the RVS, and who was looking for a wagon to jump on. It had little to do with activity level.

But you said you were suspicious of me and cyberbob for disappearing. Explain.

Also I can't see the pic in 116. What is it?

I agree.

On a completely unrelated note I think I'll randomly

Vote: Umbrage

.

This is what you said. Why did you use the word "randomly"?

Because I decided to ignore the previous seriousness and specific reasons for voting him and randomly bandwagon him. I thought I made this clear but the amount of times I insisted that you were reading it wrong. The previous content of the game had no adherence to my vote and I wasn't acting in random in my decision to bandwagon him. The definition of random is broader than pulling names out a hat.

This is what Umbrage doesn't understand.

Ooooooohhh, ok. I understand now.


I just don't believe you.

vote: el simo

[Umbrage]

The picture says "it's a joke". I added the part about disappearing because you can throw down a serious vote in RVS, you just have to be around to follow it up. I didn't like the way you just left after laying down a vote that appeared to be not part of RVS. It's like pulling the fire alarm and running away.

[Cyberbob]

hi there so I'm lurking hardcore (found a quick few minutes for posting now but I'm short of time otherwise) but I will get caught up sometime tonight after I get home from dinner~