I don't see you doing much besides pestering me either.Thor665 wrote:So you plan to sit around and hope someone claims scum? Clearly there should be a proactive way you can get reads, yes?
I never said that, I was saying that there are far more scumtells in 10 pages then there are in 3.Thor665 wrote:Also, why is page 3 less likely to have scumtells than, say, page 10?
Really?Glass wrote:I don't see you doing much besides pestering me either.
So we already have roughly 1/3 of the available scumtells from 10 pages and you have zero reads? Certainly you must have some tells that are worth pursuing. Why aren't you?Glass wrote:I never said that, I was saying that there are far more scumtells in 10 pages then there are in 3.Thor665 wrote:Also, why is page 3 less likely to have scumtells than, say, page 10?
Indeed you are faking doing more than I:Thor665 wrote: I've called people scum. I've called people town. I've asked questions and seem to even indicate that answers to those questions will affect my reads. At the very least I'm faking doing more than you, and there's a fair chance that I'm just actually doing more than you.
You are once again twisting my words; it is not that there needs to be so many pages before scumhunting can begin, but I cannot fos somebody who I have no read on (Korts, Leopold, Flay, Fungrus).Thor665 wrote:I am pestering you, but it is also for a reason. You seem to be tossing up your hands and saying 'nothing to do for the scumhunting till X pages have happened and I'm trying to understand why you believe that and also maybe get you to consider what number X is.
I'm faking but I'm not worth voting? Hmmm.Glass wrote:Indeed you are faking doing more than I:
1. Called Bump townie the same time I called you scummy.-I have not seen you call anyone town, please indicate where you have.
-You've called people scum (fungrus, Mr.Bump, me) but you have skipped over ender????? In fact you haven't said a word about ender throughout the entire topic despite all the mistakes he's been making, yet you jump on me with so little as: "OMG GLASS "ATTACKED" ME RIGHT AFTER MRBUMP", I also noticed that you only said that your "scum-o-meter" went off on Mr.Bump after he fosed you (under the disguise that unvoting ender is somehow scummy)
-I too have been asking questions, your point?
So we're back where we were. You have no reads, nothing has happened to give you reads, and you choose to do nothing about it. What am I getting wrong and what is your proactive solution to the problem of having no reads?You are once again twisting my words; it is not that there needs to be so many pages before scumhunting can begin, but I cannot fos somebody who I have no read on (Korts, Leopold, Flay, Fungrus).
It's not that I am uncertain about it, it is mostly that I there haven't been enough clues to show that they are scum. The only major one is the one at the beginning of MrBump not voting Fungrus. Once Fungrus posts some more I will be able to judge whether or not he is actually scum, just as you are doing.Thor665 wrote: If you see the case why are you uncertain about it? What rings false or incomplete?
I find that you are trying to manipulate Glass's words in order to make him seem more scummy, which is a very scummy thing to do IMO. Glass didn't want to lynch you right away however you made it seem like he was hoping for a no lynch.Thor665 wrote:So you have zero desire to see anyone lynched?
What are you doing to change that situation?
Now on to the next person I believe is scum. You have been changing your vote a whole lot this game, mostly in response to what every else is saying. You are just looking for a bandwagon to jump onto; however, I will admit that you were the first to accuse Thor. This last vote on Glass has shown me that you are just voting for whoever is losing this argument, first you were saying Thor was scum, now that he is winning the argument you switch over to Glass. So you are now my prime suspectMrBump wrote:Thor, it's not your play, it's just something. But it doesn't really matter, because my FoS has changed straight to Glass.
After your prompt, I re-read all the posts between you and Glass, and he did just FoS you as soon as I mentioned it. I'm also suspicious that he's acting all like "Well, there's no scum on the first three pages, they magically transform after a while." He's probably not like that, but it comes across that way.
UNVOTE
VOTE: Glass
1. The same spot where you called him scummy? So how exactly is Mr.Bump both town and scummy? (and yes this is an actual question, not "rhetorical" like all my questions are apparently)Thor665 wrote: 1. Called Bump townie the same time I called you scummy.
2. Why is ender scummy? Frankly I have a town read on him so there's not much point in me calling him scummy, is there? (also I cited Bump as scummy for the way he unvoted ender and it had nothing to do with him suspecting me)
3. You may be asking questions (though actually I don't really think you are, other than rhetorical ones) but you certainly don't seem to care about or analyze the answers.
I have reads on bump, Napher, ender, and you, but you are the only one that is standing out as scummy atm from my eyes. I am currently relooking through people's posts if you must know what my "proactive solution" is.Thor665 wrote:So we're back where we were. You have no reads, nothing has happened to give you reads, and you choose to do nothing about it. What am I getting wrong and what is your proactive solution to the problem of having no reads?
I said nothing of the sort and didn't mean to imply it either. I was saying that he appeared to not be scumhunting or trying to improve his reads on other players at all - which is a much more serious accusation in any case.Napher wrote:I find that you are trying to manipulate Glass's words in order to make him seem more scummy, which is a very scummy thing to do IMO. Glass didn't want to lynch you right away however you made it seem like he was hoping for a no lynch.
That is a very dangerous mindset to get into. Plus there is no evidence to support the belief. Plus you, after claiming that 50% of the scum team is in two people turn around and vote someone else. That is not a smart play. The *best* you could deduce from the Thor/Glass interaction is that it's probable that we're not scumbuddies as I don't think it should look like the interaction is simple distancing. But that's the best you should be able to get, and there's no evidence that is very convincing in the either/or argument you are making.I believe that Glass or Thor has to be scum
1. Because it's possible for people to do things that are scummy even when they are town, and to do things that are townish even when they are scum. One of the worst annoyances I have is when someone makes a scum case on a player and does a PbP (Post by Post) analysis and show how 90% of everything they've posted is scummy. It's just silly and overwrought. But, yes, I called some of his actions scummy in the same post I called some of his actions townish. If you can't see how he's a strangely vacillating hard to read slot then just presume I'm lousy at reading people, but I did call actions town, which is what you were asking about.Glass wrote:1. The same spot where you called him scummy? So how exactly is Mr.Bump both town and scummy? (and yes this is an actual question, not "rhetorical" like all my questions are apparently)
2. I didn't say that ender was scummy, but it seems that you are commenting on everybody except him.
3. hmmmm, I guess you're right, I have only asked a few questions. But the one's I do ask I care about the answers.
You have a read on Napher? How? Where?Glass wrote:I have reads on bump, Napher, ender, and you, but you are the only one that is standing out as scummy atm from my eyes. I am currently relooking through people's posts if you must know what my "proactive solution" is.
I have been scumhunting and improving my reads, but I do it in a different way than you. You seem to do so by questioning people while I prefer to do so by writing out my thoughts, which I believe I have done quite a bit of.Thor665 wrote:I said nothing of the sort and didn't mean to imply it either. I was saying that he appeared to not be scumhunting or trying to improve his reads on other players at all - which is a much more serious accusation in any case.Napher wrote:I find that you are trying to manipulate Glass's words in order to make him seem more scummy, which is a very scummy thing to do IMO. Glass didn't want to lynch you right away however you made it seem like he was hoping for a no lynch.
Not saying that it is scummy, I am just making note of it because I had just realized at that moment that you never talked about ender. Does that mean you find everyone you talk to scummy?Thor665 wrote:You did say, however, in giant prose wailings with multiple exclamation points that it was super strange that I hadn't been pressing on ender (despite the fact that now you are claiming to have a town read on him as well) why do you think I should have been suspecting him if you also thought he was town? I'm very confused by this.
Even though his posts are few and far in between you should be able to get a read on how he acts and reacts (although being what appears to be newbie might throw my read off slightly); he has actually been saying his opinions instead of Korts and Flay who I would really like to see post.You have a read on Napher? How? Where?
That's why people usually think of them as mafia, you usually can't give what you think of someone who doesn't post much making it seem scummy.Napher wrote:Right now it is fairly hard to make reads on some people who haven't been posting much.
From what I gathered it is because he called no lynching a pro maf move but did not vote ender, but he was just letting ender know not to do that, so why is it scummy?fungrus wrote:I guess it might seem like a good idea to no lynch therefore I'll not vote for you even though voting for no lynch is inherently a pro mafia move.
So you think he's town because he's stated his opinions?Glass wrote:Even though his posts are few and far in between you should be able to get a read on how he acts and reacts (although being what appears to be newbie might throw my read off slightly); he has actually been saying his opinions instead of Korts and Flay who I would really like to see post.
Wow, way to misinterpret what I said.Thor665 wrote:So you think he's town because he's stated his opinions?Glass wrote:Even though his posts are few and far in between you should be able to get a read on how he acts and reacts (although being what appears to be newbie might throw my read off slightly); he has actually been saying his opinions instead of Korts and Flay who I would really like to see post.
I don;t feel like you're answering my question - why do you have a town read on him?
We'll revisit your read on ender when I have a better feel for where I stand on Fungrus and Korts. I am not content with the current situation there but want to re-look at it before I start randomly screaming for your lynch.
As for my scum read on Fungrus; I've written out an explanation for that 2-3 times now. Did you miss it? If you didn't miss it could you please tell me what part(s) you don't understand - otherwise all I'll end up doing is writing the same basic logic in the same way again.
That's the explanation that you said, but you disregarded fungrus's justification of not voting him. Fungrus did not believe that it was a scummy move by ender but he believed that voting no one in this setup is good for the mafia, and ender clearly did not know that. So I see no reason as to why fungrus is scummy for informing ender it is unwise to not lynch. Not to mention that this is based on the fact that Fungrus did not vote someone they found scummy, yet here we stand here without you voting me.thor665 wrote:@Glass - it's not that he didn't vote him, it's that he called his actions scummy and didn't vote for him. If you have no reads on anyone and then someone does something scummy what reason is there to not vote them? I submit that there really isn't one
This is an especially funny quote to me - because I wasn't talking about your read on Fungrus and never asked about it either as I recall we were talking about Napher. Do you think I misinterpreted your read on him? If so - specifically how. If you really think I was misinterpreting you about Fungrus I'd like to hear that as well. You're calling me "misinterpreting" when I would call everything I've been doing "trying to understand what you are saying" and I rather feel the conversation is going like this;Glass wrote:Wow, way to misinterpret what I said.
I never said I had a town read on Fungrus; you asked where I got my read on him from, and I responded accordingly.
I've already said it. I really am beginning to wonder if I'm typing in a strange dialect you don't understand. As previously noted; you asked why I wasn't scumhunting someone you had a town read on in what appeared to be a case of redirection attempt on your part.So whats your issue with my read on ender?
*sigh*That's the explanation that you said, but you disregarded fungrus's justification of not voting him. Fungrus did not believe that it was a scummy move by ender but he believed that voting no one in this setup is good for the mafia, and ender clearly did not know that. So I see no reason as to why fungrus is scummy for informing ender it is unwise to not lynch. Not to mention that this is based on the fact that Fungrus did not vote someone they found scummy, yet here we stand here without you voting me.thor665 wrote:@Glass - it's not that he didn't vote him, it's that he called his actions scummy and didn't vote for him. If you have no reads on anyone and then someone does something scummy what reason is there to not vote them? I submit that there really isn't one
Already done to an extent - but frankly unless I'm actively voting you it's not advantageous to work up a case on you and drum up support.You clearly seem to think of me as scum, so for convenience sake can you explain exactly what makes me scummy? I'm sure it would be more convenient for other's as well as for me to explain anything.
Really?Glass wrote:That was an actual question btw.Glass wrote: Does that mean you find everyone you talk to scummy?
I'll admit I laughed. Sorry, I typed in Fungrus instead of Nepher since I was going to talk about him later in my post and kind of got ahead of myself, anyways...Thor665 wrote: This is an especially funny quote to me - because I wasn't talking about your read on Fungrus and never asked about it either as I recall we were talking about Napher. Do you think I misinterpreted your read on him? If so - specifically how. If you really think I was misinterpreting you about Fungrus I'd like to hear that as well. You're calling me "misinterpreting" when I would call everything I've been doing "trying to understand what you are saying" and I rather feel the conversation is going like this;
You: I believe A!
Me: Why do you believe A?
You: X! X, damn your eyes!
Me: So...X-1?
You: Screw you, why are you bringing up B!?!
Me: Um...I thought we were talking about A, what is this about B?
You: X you dithering, drooling nicompoop!
Me: So...wait, B is X?
You: Misrep! Why aren't you talking about C?
Me: ...I hate you.
Simply because you were talking to everyone but him, which is why saying that you have a "towntell" on him seems bogus to me. Also, me having a towntell on someone does not mean everyone does.Thor665 wrote:I've already said it. I really am beginning to wonder if I'm typing in a strange dialect you don't understand. As previously noted; you asked why I wasn't scumhunting someone you had a town read on in what appeared to be a case of redirection attempt on your part.So whats your issue with my read on ender?
Because you want to get a reaction out of him? Don't think that's working for you mate.Thor665 wrote:I have already explained why I have not moved my vote yet, Mr. Bump understood it, why don't you?
Since when did I say I didn't like your playstyle? That was Mr.Bump.Thor665 wrote:Second off, whether or not you agree on my scumtell on Fungrus doesn't prove or disprove that it is a valid tell. I consider it a valid tell, decide whether I am doing that because I am brilliant, stupid, or scum, but don't just act as though the tell is invalid in my belief system unless you just want to always lynch people whose playstyles you disagree with.
So that either means you really have very little on me to actually post or you find someone more scummy than me atm, which I find hard to believe after you said that you talk more to people who are more suspicious to you.Thor665 wrote: Already done to an extent - but frankly unless I'm actively voting you it's not advantageous to work up a case on you and drum up support.
Thor665 wrote:The quick change of votes is a pretty weak scumtell as, generally, scum want to lynch somebody.
This is one of those damned if you do, damned if you don't moments.... Unless I'm missing something?I feel zero pressure towards me from your end and that's making you look really scummy to me.
Thor: Glass - iz u the scummorz?Glass wrote:Simply because you were talking to everyone but him, which is why saying that you have a "towntell" on him seems bogus to me. Also, me having a towntell on someone does not mean everyone does.
I give up less easily than you I suppose.Glass wrote:Because you want to get a reaction out of him? Don't think that's working for you mate.
You keep dodging and weaving around stuff and bringing up other players in your answers. Good deflection from my stated issue.Glass wrote:Since when did I say I didn't like your playstyle? That was Mr.Bump.
Town want to lynch somebody too. You're taking a discussion of why something doesn't qualify as a scumtell and making the presumption that the opposite does qualify as a scumtell - that is not an accurate conclusion. Your lack of scumhunting is a scumtell however.Glass wrote:Thor665 wrote:The quick change of votes is a pretty weak scumtell as, generally, scum want to lynch somebody.This is one of those damned if you do, damned if you don't moments.... Unless I'm missing something?I feel zero pressure towards me from your end and that's making you look really scummy to me.
I don't see what's wrong with bringing up other players in my answers, and I do not see what I "deflected" since I am pretty sure your point was that I am trying to lynch you because I don't like your playstyle and I'm not trying to lynch you and I don't not like your playstyle.Thor665 wrote: You keep dodging and weaving around stuff and bringing up other players in your answers. Good deflection from my stated issue.
What makes you think I am not scumhunting? And what makes you think everybody but me is scumhunting?Thor665 wrote: Town want to lynch somebody too. You're taking a discussion of why something doesn't qualify as a scumtell and making the presumption that the opposite does qualify as a scumtell - that is not an accurate conclusion. Your lack of scumhunting is a scumtell however.