Blackest Night Mafia (GAME OVER!)

[Fate]

uhhh my claims r alwyas srs bsns

btw were out of the rvs so no excuses

either u vote viscum or u make a case as to why

[Andrius]

hey kage is that a serious vote

cuz ur voting my mason buddy

His vote is probably as serious as your claim

And mine.

[Fate]

its true adriuns doesnt have the balls to gambit thats why he spends os much time overcompensating by breadcrumbing

"please believe me please believe me" he screams

but he is lynched anyway

cuz he voted the one who replaced fate

and he lost

[Andrius]

its true adriuns doesnt have the balls to gambit thats why he spends os much time overcompensating by breadcrumbing

"please believe me please believe me" he screams

but he is lynched anyway

cuz he voted the one who replaced fate

and he lost

OH SHUT THE FUCK UP.
THAT WAS SUCH A CLOSE FUCKING WIN TOO.

OH LOOK IM FATE GOING TO GET MYSELF FORCE-REPLACED AND REPLACED BY SOME VI WITH A SHIT-HISTORY WITH ANDY WHO IS OBV.MISLYNCH FODDER.

I mean, yeah. I'm to blame for the early vote. But you're the asshat who got himself replaced out. I read you as town too, goddammit.

/rant

Ok Fate, who do you want me to vote? /will sheep

[Andrius]

And when I mean VI up there I mean a VI, not Vi.
Just wanted to clarify. lol

[SpyreX]

what up game

i cant bring myself to force the misspellings but i do need fate to explain more better on vi because

vote: tans

this is serious business and you know why

[tanstalas]

I was out of RVS the moment I voted Andrius. I gave a RVS reason, but I do think he has a good chance at being scum. I think that MOST people in the game would pick town - as the town would have an easier chance to win, the people that are further down on the list probably would not get their first, or even second pick. So I am thinking that the people on the bottom third of the list have a higher chance at being scum.

However

, I do think that certain people who think they are the bomb at mafia (or are arrogant) would pick scum (or the SK); as winning as scum/SK would be harder to do and hence provide more of a challenge to them.

That is why I would not be surprised if Vi and Fate were both scum or Orange. Most of the other people in this game I have not played with.

And I have no idea why you are voting me SpyreX, was it the game you replaced into for me where you called my play "Drunken monkey-like"? Or something to that effect?

[SpyreX]

pffffth no way would i vote for something from somewhere else

its here

its clear

it needs to be murdered

i'll give an interesting tidbit too because its awesome

my second pick was orange and i didn't get it

[Toogeloo]

I was out of RVS the moment I voted Andrius. I gave a RVS reason, but I do think he has a good chance at being scum. I think that MOST people in the game would pick town - as the town would have an easier chance to win, the people that are further down on the list probably would not get their first, or even second pick. So I am thinking that the people on the bottom third of the list have a higher chance at being scum.

That's some pretty terrible reasoning for Andrius being scum.

Firstly, I doubt the hosts did some kind of first come first serve role distribution, and I would wager it more likely that RNG gave people roles on their first picks. So regardless of if you were the first or the last person to submit colors, I don't think that it would have any bearing on whether you got your color choice or not.

Secondly, why do you think it would be easier for town to win? General trends show mafia win more than town as of right now. Most people wouldn't pick town because they think they have a better chance at winning because town is easier, they would pick town because they are better at town than scum, or because they haven't played town in a while, or whatever other reason they want.

[tanstalas]

Firstly, I doubt the hosts did some kind of first come first serve role distribution, and I would wager it more likely that RNG gave people roles on their first picks. So regardless of if you were the first or the last person to submit colors, I don't think that it would have any bearing on whether you got your color choice or not.

I got my first pick and was near the top of the list *shrug* just speculation I suppose. Your theory makes more sense though. Maybe I was just lucky.

Secondly, why do you think it would be easier for town to win?

General trends

show mafia win more than town as of right now. Most people wouldn't pick town because they think they have a better chance at winning because town is easier, they would pick town because they are better at town than scum, or because they haven't played town in a while, or whatever other reason they want.

I was only ever in one large game on this site that I recall, and town won... granted we were down to 1 town , 1 scum and 1 sk at the end so it was close and probably not relevant to supporting my case. However on a couple large games that I semi-followed here that I found interesting I found that town won more often than not, also on another site I used to play on I found that town usually had the advantage in large games.

When you say general trends are you referring to a specific type of game such as large games or in general including minis, newbie, etc?

[ReaperCharlie]

PSA to all BNMers

: Reaper here. Sorry it took a long time to get you all your Role PMs. The delay was 100% my fault, and dana was a knight in shining armor who swooped in to save the day. Which is rather appropriate, because it's mostly his game. But I just wanted to say that you all have him to thank, and that you should lay all of your chastisement upon me. The game will now continue on its proper course, with a few clouds and scattered showers, but will reach it's peak of epicness as planned, in approximately 45.2 days.

That is all.

[Starbuck]

Good Morning everyone!

Quick reminder that I am on the GMT + 1 time zone (6 hours ahead of EST).

Vote: Andrius

The color complaining is already old. Time to sing a new tune.

[xRECKONERx]

Yeah, based on your 1st post I think you probably drew a VT role or a regular goon role Sensfan, however since I do not have much to go on, I forgot that Andrius wanted purple, and since Red is one of the primary colors used for making purple there is a 50/50 chance that Andrius picked Red Scum, and hence, is our best lynch for now.

Unvote:
Vote: Andrius

k hes town
anticapslockalliance needs to set phasers to love

hey kage is that a serious vote

cuz ur voting my mason buddy

why the fuck would you reveal our masonry this early on goddammit fate

[Vi]

If Fate is attempting to imitate razorback I am amused.
Other than that I'm quickly getting the impression that the ninja noncapslock alliance is going to make this game really annoying.

Even if you don't like the first one, why not answer the others?

When I said I don't like your questions, I pretty clearly meant I didn't like ANY of your questions. The only one that WOULD be alignment-relevant is the first one. Please prove me wrong. (That, and I didn't feel like thinking about them at ten at night.)
Rather than participate, I simply cut through the grass and gave you alignment-relevant information. You're welcome.

If SensFan hadn't said anything and PikachuGM hadn't asked irrelevant questions I would have voted nopointinetc. for claiming anti-Town colors in signups. (44)

Re: tanstalas and setup meta - A few things about that.
*I don't see anything about later joins being less likely to get what they want.
Besides, the mod team had like two weeks to put this setup together AFTER it filled.
*I co-modded Pledge of Allegiance, another game where people could choose their alignment.
Giving everyone the alignment they wanted, it came down to
**5 Mafia
**8 Neutral
**11 Town
so even after accounting for differences in the player list, the idea that EVERYONE would choose Town is probably not true at all.
*People picking a "challenging" alignment works mostly if they like being either alignment.

[Kublai Khan]

@AlmasterGM - Please answer your own questions as a show of good faith.

I'll pass on PikachuGM's questions.
In a game with crossfire, I in particular have every reason to want to be Town (plus I prefer being Town in the first place).

Why are you passing on the questions? Wait, check that, why did you answer the first question and ignore the rest?
What do you meanby crossfire?

What does he mean by "Leaves"? Is that a team name or something?

Toronto Maple Leafs -- an ice hockey team. They soundly defeated their divisional and provincial rivals the Ottawa Senators by a score of 5-1.

Also, I don't see what you've gained by dangling the threat that you've viewed people's wiki role preferrences. I think that cases should be made using as little of WIFOM as possible.

I'd shoot myself in the head if I'm a N0 Vig. But it's a shame that I'm not ( or am I? )

Why?

tanstalas is stretching way too much to try to frame Andrius.

Also, I refuse to sheep Fate until I can understand what he's saying. And is the mason claim legitimate or are you guys just fucking around?
UNVOTE: The Stove
VOTE: tanstalas

[Vi]

I'll pass on PikachuGM's questions.
In a game with crossfire, I in particular have every reason to want to be Town (plus I prefer being Town in the first place).

Why are you passing on the questions? Wait, check that, why did you answer the first question and ignore the rest?
What do you meanby crossfire?

If I answered one of AGM's questions, it was by accident.

Crossfire means scum shooting scum shooting scum. Given how likely I am to die overNight, I would be a liability to whichever scum faction I'm on.

Also, I refuse to sheep Fate until I can understand what he's saying. And is the mason claim legitimate or are you guys just fucking around?

It's not legitimate.

[xvart]

Hello everyone. Happy hunting.

AGM's questions:

1. No
   
2. I wouldn't N0 vig with this player list.
   
3. No; I would win without cheating.
   
4. Depending on the person, I would probably go 30 to me and 70 to the other person. I would much rather have a personal favor or someone feel obligated to provide me with a service later on down the line.
   
5. Same as previous, although I would probably make the split 400k, 600k.

Unlike Vi, I will answer AGM's questions:

Why did you feel the need to point this out? Are you suspicious of Vi for not answering the questions?

Oops, Guderian already asked this.

Actually, Vi's response was the last one I saw before I started typing. Afterwards, there were a few more posts, and I didn't feel the need to edit based on the preview.

You didn't answer the question. Did you think it was suspicious at the time of your posting? And what is the relevance of it not mattering since nobody between Vi not answering the question and your comment refused to answer the questions?

*I co-modded Pledge of Allegiance, another game where people could choose their alignment.
Giving everyone the alignment they wanted, it came down to
**5 Mafia
**8 Neutral
**11 Town
so even after accounting for differences in the player list, the idea that EVERYONE would choose Town is probably not true at all.
*People picking a "challenging" alignment works mostly if they like being either alignment.

Going along these lines it should also be noted that DGB played the "everyone knows I picked town" card early in the game and she flipped scum, so Fate's (or anyones) post in the signup thread will not dissuade me from thinking he is scum if he behaves like scum.

Also, Vi - along these lines, what do you think of SpyreX's post here:

my second pick was orange and i didn't get it

You both were co-mods in Pledge of Allegiance so I think SpyreX would know that a decent number of people would probably pick Orange as their first pick so why would he pick a singular faction that would go to someone's number one? It seems like a throw away color choice.

VOTE: Toogeloo

[Vi]

*I co-modded Pledge of Allegiance, another game where people could choose their alignment.
Giving everyone the alignment they wanted, it came down to
**5 Mafia
**8 Neutral
**11 Town
so even after accounting for differences in the player list, the idea that EVERYONE would choose Town is probably not true at all.
*People picking a "challenging" alignment works mostly if they like being either alignment.

Going along these lines it should also be noted that DGB played the "everyone knows I picked town" card early in the game and she flipped scum, so Fate's (or anyones) post in the signup thread will not dissuade me from thinking he is scum if he behaves like scum.

Also, Vi - along these lines, what do you think of SpyreX's post here:

my second pick was orange and i didn't get it

You both were co-mods in Pledge of Allegiance so I think SpyreX would know that a decent number of people would probably pick Orange as their first pick so why would he pick a singular faction that would go to someone's number one? It seems like a throw away color choice.

You didn't know Goofy was much much better as scum than Town? She was the one driving the scum team!

I don't know what to make of SpyreX's post. I don't know anything about his dis/like for being third party/SK, but more importantly I don't know why he would say he didn't draw orange in the first place. The logic behind picking orange as second can be explained by any number of things considering he didn't have an alignment at the time. His post is certainly no Town-tell, at any rate.

What do you think of AlmasterGM?

[tanstalas]

tanstalas is stretching way too much to try to

frame

Andrius.

@Kublai

- Can you give me your definition of the word 'frame' in the context of the sentence you used it in?

[xRECKONERx]

oh wait i forgot to answer agms questions

1 i dont even remember what colors i submitted lulz
2 i would probably n0 vig vi because he is impossible for me to read
3 done it before
4 i split it 50 50 probably because thats fair
5 id take 700K and let them take 300K and theyd take the deal bc who the fuck is gonna say no to 300K

[Kublai Khan]

tanstalas is stretching way too much to try to

frame

Andrius.

@Kublai

- Can you give me your definition of the word 'frame' in the context of the sentence you used it in?

Frame

: Attempting to incriminate with the use of false and/or malicious arguments.

Your reasoning that people at the top of the sign-up list are more likely to get the role they chose is crap, IMHO. If you honestly believed that to be a possibility you'd have waiting for more responses to AlmasterGM's opening questions to see if it supported your theory.

It's scummy to make meta-mod-WIFOM arguments as the basis for a case.

And

FOS: SpyreX

. He needs to explain himself.

[MagnaofIllusion]

First let me say Greetings to all those I’ve Modded or played with and offer a warm Hello to those I don’t. Looking at the player list the vast majority fall into the former category.

Answering AGM’s questions

–

1. Second choice. Hardly a surprise given how popular my first choice was.
2. By stating I would be Vigging I surmise the question assumes I am of Town alignment, in which case I see no player on the player-list worthy of a policy Vig.
3. Let me simply repeat what I say in Choose Your Side when you asked the same question – there is nothing to gain by cheating in an online game where the only thing at stake is your pride.
4 / 5. Under both scenarios I would offer a 50/50 split. Each player in that sort of game isn’t doing anything significant to earn the money other than making smart choices. By offering the decision maker less than an equal split I wouldn’t be making a smart choice.

2. Yes, I would kill Magna for the lulz, and he would hate me eternally

Personally I think only one response is appropriate -

p.s. AGM, I fully expect to receive gifts and/or love notes from you because of the last time we were in a large together. <3

So you expect goodwill for betraying your Town alignment instead of using your brain and lynching obv-Not-Unlynchable AGM in Choose Your Side? Noted.

I would like to present the following, since everyone took the risk by joining this game (and SSBF isn't here to do this for me): people's wiki pages have some indication of alignment preference, and we (SSBF) used this information to hunt down some 3rd party players in Comedy of Whims, an game where you selected your alignment.

Um, what? You are claiming credit for that? Really? You certainly didn’t miss me playing in this game. Why you thought you should be claiming credit for that I find confusing.

I feel like outing the results of my search would be beneficial to the town, but I can see why judging people's choices of their preferences is grey area. But you can bet your ass that I would, as Vig, start shooting down those players first.

If you actually thought it would benefit Town you would have done it right away.

And for the record – I see you breadcrumb. Why does the character you are crumbing not match up with your stated color preferences of Indigo / Violet when you claim to have gotten your choice?

@NoPoint

– Why only answer a portion of AGM’s questions?

vi town would think im pullin a gambit to get confirmed again like last time iw as scum

So you outright state you claim Town status immediately / in a sign-up thread when scum? Good to know.

VOTE: Fate

Red falls under the "purple" category because it has red as a component of purple. You can't have purple without red... Red Scum!

I’m guessing you’ve chosen this specifically stupid line of attack as a ‘tactic’ to get out of RVS. Why?

If Fate is attempting to imitate razorback I am amused.

Having played with razorback in my second game on site I lulzed.

Re: tanstalas and setup meta - A few things about that.

To add some further data that supports Vi’s assertion – in SaintK’s Choose Your Side that Andrius and I are mentioning only 2 of 18 players chose Mafia. The remainder were fairly evenly split between 3rd Party and Town.

Finally regarding AGM and his questions

– He started Choose Your Side with a similar set of questions. He happened to be 3rd Party recruiter in that game so it doesn’t qualify as any significant alignment tell of any sort here.

[Fate]

sorry kublai i have a post restriction i cant talk good about why viscum

viscum is just is

also im not sure why people usin dgb as an example to invalidate me n others claims of lovin town

its dgbs meta

not ours

so wut

also reck sorry we were under pressure i didn want u to get dayvigged or somethin

oh hai magna no im sayin that i did a false modconfirm gambit as scum once to be confirmed town and vi was there and would be cautious

this game he says taht im tellin the truth

ive never wifomd in signups threads b4 cuz i never had alignment in signup thread b4 cept pyp and pyp i was town all the time and claimed so

but here i wouldnt pick scum of course not u crazy girl

[SpyreX]

You both were co-mods in Pledge of Allegiance so I think SpyreX would know that a decent number of people would probably pick Orange as their first pick so why would he pick a singular faction that would go to someone's number one? It seems like a throw away color choice.

God, I'm sorry I can't do it no capital letters hurts my eyes.

There wasn't a huge amount of 'logic' behind the choice but the thought process went as thus:

I didn't want to be scum. Thus, I picked town first. However, it's been a long, long time (if ever?) since I've been an SK so that might be a hoot. So, town/sk. SK second because that way IF I get my first pick I then can throw out the (albeit not very) useful tidbit that SK is probably in the game.

Now, the poor logical train tans is using is sooo bad its making me worry that the part I had issues with is town.

[Fate]

k spyrex is out

so sad spyrex u have a conscious now

u cant bear to be an alliance when ur scum ud felel to guilty

unvote: vote: spyrex