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[AntB]

That's all I have to say, this is some interesting dialogue between you and CN... as lurking and withholding information isn't good in a small game such as this..

Hiraki is making sense and is striking me as Town. He's provided a good case and is defending well.
CN having inBOIL as town for highlighting a post about game mechanics. The contents of the post are valid, but its nothing to give a town read.
In contrast drshotty is pinging his scumdar for voicing an opinion and a possible Little FoS.
Both DrShotty and inBOIL have made only 2 posts and CN says his "reads are solid", so I assume that means he thinks drshotty is scum and inBOIL is town...
He also says Hiraki is scum yet there's no vote...

Normally I would vote at this point however I'm not happy to drop the hammer just yet. I want to know how exactly CN has his reads.

[inBOIL]

Not really.

Just because you can shoot early, doesn't mean you should have to shoot early. More talking can help tomorrow, and today. I had never thought of it that way, and therefore, I like that idea better. Plus, I'm not 100% sure in CN scum, it just seems like the most probable at the moment. Let it also be known, like you have said, that this is the first page. There is no way that someone can make a good shoot/lynch based off of that. Thus is why I unvoted.

Hope that clears it up a little.

This kind of clears it up. This only explains why you changed to your current position, I was asking about why you had changed from your old position so quickly. I'm willing to accept that you saw CN's opinion and reconsidered your position however I was a bit sceptical so thought I would ask. Your vagueness doesn't portray you in a good light. I don't know if you misconstrued my post but I was wasn't insinuating that you were scum because of your actions, I just thought I'd ask to get the game going and to start some discussions and to see what else you'd say. It's called scumhunting.

I'm good to put this vote back, btw. AntB isn't talking, and I expect something in defense from inBOIL. DR doesn't like to talk much, so idunnolol.

What is it that I am supposed to be defending myself against? Have you accused me of something?

That's all I have to say, this is some interesting dialogue between you and CN... as lurking and withholding information isn't good in a small game such as this..

You don't seem to be contributing anything in your posts. Your first was useless and your second seems to be vague observations that don't really contribute much to the game. Don't you have any questions or are you just going to coast through this game?

[AntB]

My first was my initial (if brief) opinion on the game so far, not much content to go on.

My second was a breakdown of the hiraki/CN discussion.

Did you not read the part where I said "I want to see how CN got his reads"? Its a request for information which is more than you have done; considering your question is answered before it was asked.

[inBOIL]

My first was my initial (if brief) opinion on the game so far, not much content to go on.

The rest of us managed to contribute to the game and stimulate discussion. Your post was completely useless.

My second was a breakdown of the hiraki/CN discussion.

How is that useful? We know what has gone on, we don't need you to paraphrase it for us. You are active lurking.

Did you not read the part where I said "I want to see how CN got his reads"? Its a request for information which is more than you have done; considering your question is answered before it was asked.

I did see that. However you don't appear to be scumhunting. Your 'request for information' isn't that productive to the game, you haven't stimulated any discussion or garnered a reaction from anyone. I don't see why you need CN's reads at this point, he gave his reads on the contributing players only a page ago. What purpose does your 'request for information' serve? (In my last post I asked three questions, only one of which was rhetorical. It is also quite hypocritical of you to question my contributions to the game).

[AntB]

Its also hypocritical of you to accuse me of lurking when you've made no more posts then I have...

How can you have "solid" reads on people when there's only 17 posts in game, you and drshotty have 2 posts each at this point, hardly enough for a "solid" read.

There's no need to currently force conversatino by "scumhunting" as conversation is flowing naturally at this point, with 4 people out of 5 all in a discussion. Slips work better when they're not forced.

[Hiraki]

Defending was more of a defense of CN, rather than defending yourself. I see I was wrong about that now.

Also, you can't actively lurk on the second page of D1. That's impossible.

I'd like to have this for tomorrow, and more really. So I'll

Unvote.

[inBOIL]

Its also hypocritical of you to accuse me of lurking when you've made no more posts then I have...

However I've written considerably more than you in each of my posts while you have been reciting what has gone on and making off topic comments.

How can you have "solid" reads on people when there's only 17 posts in game, you and drshotty have 2 posts each at this point, hardly enough for a "solid" read.

Then why are you asking CN for his reads? Besides I have four posts (excluding this one) not two. In the quote above this one you acknowledge that we have the same number of posts (four) so you must have checked, however later in the same post you accuse me of having only made two. Was this an unintentional slip or were you trying to frame me?

There's no need to currently force conversatino by "scumhunting" as conversation is flowing naturally at this point, with 4 people out of 5 all in a discussion. Slips work better when they're not forced.

I'm not forcing the conversation. The conservation is flowing because I asked you about your post here. It was rather one dimensional towards the end of the last page (with the discussion between Hiraki and CN). My questions have caused you to pick your activity and say things, which is good. It may be a bit pedantic but I disagree with your assertion that slips work better when not forced.

Also, you can't actively lurk on the second page of D1. That's impossible.

Okay. However I still think that AntB's posts exhibit the features of active lurking even at this early stage. The Wiki describes active lurking as posts being minimal in lenght, off topic or parroting what other players have said. AntB have shown all three of these already in the few posts that he has made.

[AntB]

Alright let me hit what's wrong with that post.

Then why are you asking CN for his reads?

I'm not. I'm asking for how he established those reads.

Besides I have four posts (excluding this one) not two. In the quote above this one you acknowledge that we have the same number of posts (four) so you must have checked, however later in the same post you accuse me of having only made two

Nothing like changing context. here's what I posted with the parts taking you into consideration bolded for your (dis-)pleasure.

How can you have "solid" reads on people when there's

only 17 posts in game

,

you

and drshotty

have 2 posts each

at this point

, hardly enough for a "solid" read.

.
In case you still don't quite grasp it, You had 2 posts by #17 which is the point CN claims he has solid reads.

I believe in getting straight to the point, if you need a wall of words then the odds are your missing the point you people will miss it.
Btw, wiki pages like that are generally based on opinion. I could edit it and say "An active lurker is someone who is in game and posts once a page" or "someone who has more than 3 but less than 10 posts per 3 pages"

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 1.03

Chaotic Neutraility - 1 - drmyshottyizsik
Hiraki - 1 - inBOIL

Not Voting: AntB, Chaotic Neutrality, Hiraki

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

Less than 24 hours to prod: ...

V/LA: ...

[inBOIL]

I'm not. I'm asking for how he established those reads.

In that case then I misunderstood what you meant. You weren't exactly clear in your explanation.

In case you still don't quite grasp it, You had 2 posts by #17 which is the point CN claims he has solid reads.

Yes, I see that now Sorry. My misrepresentation of the information wasn't intentional (I'm writing an essay as well as keeping an on eye on this).

Btw, wiki pages like that are generally based on opinion. I could edit it and say "An active lurker is someone who is in game and posts once a page" or "someone who has more than 3 but less than 10 posts per 3 pages"

Okay. Now I know that the Wiki isn't a source of reliable information I shall not reference it again. However I am still of the opinion that you were exhibiting the types of behaviour that the Wiki article described, irrespective of whether or not this behaviour is indicitive of active lurking. Your activity has picked up now though, it's the others who seem to have dissapeared now.

[Hiraki]

DRMY: Your thoughts about the argument at hand?

Btw. since it died down, I'm putting my vote back.

Vote: CN

[drmyshottyizsik]

I honestly think AntB is coming off really scummy. And blowing things to far,

[Hiraki]

I honestly think AntB is coming off really scummy. And blowing things to far,

It'd be nice if you could explain it.

[drmyshottyizsik]

dude i got mid terms, really busy atm

[AntB]

So "He's scummy, but I'm too busy to say why".
It doesn't take long to pull information from 39 posts and elaborate...

Still waiting on CN...

[Chaotic Neutrality]

The

red italic

text inside the quote is mine.

Hiraki is making sense and is striking me as Town. He's provided a good case and is defending well.

What case? He has yet to actually make a case against me. All of his post have disagreed with my opinion, sure, but he has yet to make a case on me.

CN having inBOIL as town for highlighting a post about game mechanics.

Except that it wasn't about game mechanics. It was saying that what Hiraki did was scummy because his apparent reason for keeping his vote on me at L-1 was because I could vig kill the guy who hammers, completely ignoring the massive loss of information we would have if we had ended day one on page one. Thank you for completely misrepresenting what I said.

The contents of the post are valid, but its nothing to give a town read.

Then what does warrant a town read? Misrepresenting my posts?

In contrast drshotty is pinging his scumdar for voicing an opinion and a possible Little FoS.

Townies would have no motive to hammer, and his allegation was off base.

Both DrShotty and inBOIL have made only 2 posts and CN says his "reads are solid", so I assume that means he thinks drshotty is scum and inBOIL is town...

Those are my page one reads, yes. When/if my opinion changes I'll let everyone know.

How can you have "solid" reads on people when there's only 17 posts in game, you and drshotty have 2 posts each at this point, hardly enough for a "solid" read.

Once again, you're taking my words out of context. I said they are solid, as opposed to my "AntB is the godfather" comment, which was sarcasm.

He also says Hiraki is scum yet there's no vote...

These:

There's absolutely no reason to end the day this early.

Hiraki - 1 - inBOIL

I'm not 100% sure in CN scum, it just seems like the most probable at the moment.

If Hiraki is town and someone hammers, he shoots me, GG.

[Hiraki]

(b")b

We can read.

What correlation do those posts have anyway?

[Chaotic Neutrality]

It's early, you have a vote on you, and if you died and happened to not be scum, I'd go down with you. I have no intention of letting that happen.

[AntB]

I was aware of the loss of information however scum wouldn't be so stupid as to blatantly try and deprive town of information. On a more subtle level, sure; but that obvious... also surely if Hiraki was scum pushing for the early lynch, you get the vig shot to take him or you lyncher out, the odds of either being scum at that point are sufficient.

drshotty's post about "Sounds like a worried godfather" seems to have a jokey undertone to it so I haven't paid too much attention. That you read it as you did considering your godfather post strikes me as quite interesting.

I was aware that the "AntB is Godfather" post was sarcasm which is why I discarded it completely from my post. I actually found it pretty funny. The fact you seem to have brought it up now has me wondering...

I am now happy to drop the hammer, however, before I do I want more from inBOIL and drshotty.

[Hiraki]

It's early, you have a vote on you, and if you died and happened to not be scum, I'd go down with you. I have no intention of letting that happen.

...

So?

This is getting stupid. I do have a case on you, and you know it.

[inBOIL]

I'd naturally like to hear more from shotty, especailly considering that he seems to have developed an opinion about something. In regard to what I think about CN and Hiraki, I think it is way too early for a lynch. We can only afford one mislynch. I don't find either of the arguments particularly compelling and think that it would serve the town more today to continue with this day for a bit longer.

Hiraki: Please summarise your case, and explain your rather erratic voting patterns.

AntB:

I am now happy to drop the hammer, however, before I do I want more from inBOIL and drshotty.

I take it that you are reffering to CN when you say you are willing to drop the hammer? If this is the case, could you explain why you are willing to lynch him.

CN: Have your reads changed since page one? Or is it still Hiraki and shotty who you suspect?

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 1.04

Chaotic Neutraility - 2 - drmyshottyizsik, Hiraki
Hiraki - 1 - inBOIL

Not Voting: AntB, Chaotic Neutrality

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

Less than 24 hours to prod: ...

V/LA: ...

[AntB]

CN has provided nothing to confirm his "solid" reads by #17, this is the point he made in relation

How can you have "solid" reads on people when there's only 17 posts in game, you and drshotty have 2 posts each at this point, hardly enough for a "solid" read.

Once again, you're taking my words out of context. I said they are solid, as opposed to my "AntB is the godfather" comment, which was sarcasm

This post was not even aimed at CN, but at you and you didn't even answer it correctly yourself... the fact CN answers it and refers the to "AntB is Godfather" post as when it hasn't even been or needed to be mentioned screams scum-paranoia to me. He is also claiming I have taken his words out of context, how? "They are solid compared to my sarcastic remark"... a solid read to me is 100% confidence in it, no matter what its compared to.

If no-one can convince me otherwise I will drop the hammer later tonight.

[inBOIL]

If no-one can convince me otherwise I will drop the hammer later tonight.

You make a valid point. I am not interested in defending CN but I do think that it is a little early to end the day. Would you consider at least waiting until we get something worthwhile from shotty before day two? I can't help thinking that if we get there then we are going to be in no better position than we are now; if CN is lynched and he is VT I presume he will shoot Hiraki. That leaves you, me and shotty, with only three players alive at that stage it would be good to know what shotty thought today about the lynch. He did say he thought you were scummy so he's been following the game.

[drmyshottyizsik]

honestrly, two pages is a great time to end day one in a 5P vengeful