Open 272 - Near-Vanilla (Over!)

[JesseSheffield]

The case on brokenscraps was just idiotic. farside completely hit the nail on the head and I think antB comes off looking bad in that little exchange. I mean seriously, who pushes something like that? I also feel like he's panicking for absolutely no reason, and that doesn't sit well with me.

That can be taken to mean any number of things, depending on how you read it. I read it as "CN confirmed 2nd. Scum!". You and farside read it as "CN

is

confirmed

as

2nd scum". This has to do with the psychology of how people interpret written word, not "interlect".

This is weird to me. Why push it farther when you know you're wrong instead off attempting to twist it around and make it into something it isn't?

Jesse, why didn't you vote in your first post?

I don't random vote.

[inHimshallibe]

Official Day 1 Vote Tally

13 players remain; 7 votes needed for a lynch.

AntB (3)

- andrew94, brokenscraps, Chaotic Neutrality

andrew94 (2)

- drmyshottyizsik, AntB

Nachomamma8 (1)

- farside22

brokenscraps (1)

- Nachomamma8

Egg (1)

- Archer

Yet to vote (5): JesseSheffield, MidnightHike, Egg, slMagnvox, smashbro_of_the_SSS

[Nachomamma8]

Unvote, Vote: AntB

L-1.

Why would this be a better action? As in, if people ignored it you could get away with ignoring it as well to not bring attention to it? I don't see why you would notice it and then think "let's see what others think" unless you were scum, super worried about what others think.

Ignoring it gives other people a chance to jump into the fray, and it gives you a chance to prove yourself. You following up on it is +town points for you. I really, really was hoping someone other than farside would respond, but no love for a democrat in republican territory.

So you visited the site and read and posted in a thread without noticing you had new messages, something clearly shown at the start of every page? Not exactly believable, which makes me wonder why you'd lie about this...

No. I got on the site despite having work to do, so I posted once and then got back to work. It's a nice policy not to check PMs when you have work to do because PMs always lead to other things.

[AntB]

I have said again, andrew94s vote made me reconsider the case entirely and I believe they both have something to hide. There's no neighbours... If andrew94 had not voted for me I would have moved on pretty quickly.

But apparently andrew94s vote-with-no-reason its as bad as my vote-with-a-pants-reason-to-get-information...

I ain't claiming. There's nothing to claim.

[AntB]

13 players remain; 7 votes needed for a lynch.

AntB (3) - andrew94, brokenscraps, Chaotic Neutrality

Unvote, Vote: AntB
L-1.

Fail? try L-2.

[AntB]

L-3 even!!

[andrew94]

@nacho, so you say that you had 1 new message but didnt check it?
hey antb, theres gonna be tons of 'so called chainsaws' in one game, but none can be proved as a chainsaw until a scumflip is shown. so yea, weak case, weak dude,

[Nachomamma8]

I ain't claiming. There's nothing to claim.

Why did you even consider claiming before checking the votecount that was posted right above my head?

@nacho, so you say that you had 1 new message but didnt check it?

Well, if you wanted to get super specific I never said how many, but yeah.

[AntB]

so yea, weak case, weak dude,

Still stronger than yours.

Why did you even consider claiming before checking the votecount that was posted right above my head?

Why claim I'm at L-1 when there's a vote count right above your head... The only time I check vote counts is when I'm voting.

[Nachomamma8]

Why claim I'm at L-1 when there's a vote count right above your head...

For this. The reaction.

The only time I check vote counts is when I'm voting.

So what made you check the votecount after you made that post?

[Nachomamma8]

I don't random vote.

Do you vote at all...?

At least 2/3rds of my wagon are scum IMO anyway....

The 2/3 of the people who butter their bread?
The 2/3 of people that put their left thumb on top when folding their hands?
The 2/3 of people that preferred Bounty to the next top competitor in paper towel

Then finally, my hatred for the inactives

You know, you're a bit of an inactive yourself...

[andrew94]

Archer do you have anything else to add to the convo?

I've read everything (again!) and am beginning to wander about the poor reasoning from AntB. Sure, perhaps it was a honest mistake, but he is sticking with it, which makes me suspicious. The fact that brokenscraps still avoids me gives him some more scum points too.

Also drmyshottyizsik has done minimal hunting imo, its mostly one liners. And they usually aren't even that useful. Scum points for drmyshottyizsik!

Then finally, my hatred for the inactives I await explanations from all of them.

errrr.
what about you sir?

copycat nacho

[brokenscraps]

For this. The reaction.

You said someone was at L-1 to get a reaction... rolefishing much?

UNVOTE: AntB
VOTE: Nacho

The wagon needs to stay here.

[farside22]

I don't get this push on AntB. I don't even know why Nacho is voting for Ant as he didn't make a case with that vote.
AntB is definitely on my list of people who will hurt my head this game. I don't see scum dig graves further and as pointed out if he backs down he's scum. I just don't get why Ant is pushing the case. It makes no sense.
I really hate the term chainsaw by the way. For me it's some big fancy word till it has merit.

[farside22]

I'm taking some time to read each player. There are a small hand full that haven't said much.
I will have more later, when the little goes down for a nap. For now here is what I have so far on some people.

andrew94 - Why is it you understand CN misreading and let it be here but you attack AntB over and over for his view which is similar?
andrew gives me second thoughts over and over.

Egg - 2 post. Second post looks like a catch up post with lots of questions. What I dislike from Egg in this post is after reading everything in the game he places a vote on a player based on a RVS vote.
scummy as hell

brokenscraps- I like broken. He comes out of the gate attacking and looking for things to get the game going. My biggest complaint on broken is how he bypass's the question from archer and answers it with a question. I do find myself agreeing with most of what he said about Egg

AntB - Things I don't like about Ant is how he attacks those who attack him and use words like chainsaw and OMGUS on someone he wasn't even voting for here
I really still find this lame
Punctuation at this stage of the game is just bad scum hunting or scum noting being able to make a good case because they are scum.
this I understand and agree and disagree. Defending someone isn't always a scum tell. I can see more the OMGUS with this explanation.
why focus on broken only Scum defend town to look town you know. So if you find Andrew's comment more scummy in a sense then why not push that more?
Meh did it a post later.
Not a fan of AntB some of the attacks were just weak, when he finally makes his point understood I step back and realize he's not scummy just someone I find myself shaking my head at.

Archer - Archer has added little to nothing of the convo. Why is AntB sticking to something scummy? Why keep a vote on a random vote at this point if you reread the game? As for the inactive comment well pot you are the kettle calling them out.

[AntB]

@Nachomamma8

So what made you check the votecount after you made that post?

It caught my eye.

For this. The reaction.

lol? Surely there's enough reaction from me on previous 4 pages to go on without fishing for more?


@Farsight
Punctuation can completely alter the meanings of sentences in written English. Even scum while defending town build a better case than andrews and I was hoping to provoke a further reaction out of both broken and andrew.

[...] just someone I find myself shaking my head at.

You'll get used to doing that... I cause a lot of headaches.

@broken
Agreed.

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UNVOTE: brokenscraps
VOTE: Nachomamma8

[farside22]

JesseSheffield - Why do you feel AntB is panicing? What post alludes to that? So far nothing of scum hunting, 3 post with little said.

MidnightHike - probable flaker. Confirmed and nothing more posted.

slMagnvox - so far nothing interesting or even remotely valuable coming from this player. 2 post and I think he's a newbie.

Nachomamma8 - I don't like Nacho's vote on Broken. I have seen players like broken who say things like confirmed 2nd scum and it doesn't mean anything. I really, really dislike his vote on AntB that has no reasoning. I see no scum hunting from Nacho so far. He also has posted elsewhere in other games and not posted here which is avoidance.
#1 scum suspect

smashbro_of_the_SSS - nothing of value here either. Looking at smash he's not posting anywhere else either. I say busy and have no view on him right now.

drmyshottyizsik - Lots of one liners with no substance. I have a feeling this is normal for drmy. He's someone I would keep an eye on.

Chaotic Neutrality - A part of me likes CN. This is more gut then anything. I don't find any of his comments flawed. I think I just wished I saw more from him to decide firmly those gut feelings.

[farside22]

In short I find more scummy.
#1 is nacho followed by Egg, andrew and archer as the main four I find the scummiest.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Nacho=scum, nacho you role fished so hard with that vote, maybe you were hoping for a premature claim or something, IDK! but bad scum is scum

unvote vote nacho

[JesseSheffield]

Do you vote at all...?

I vote to lynch.

JesseSheffield - Why do you feel AntB is panicing?

Because of posts like this.

So now covering up a slip isn't serious... sure whatever.

My vote was serious, in "serious times" as I felt (and still do feel) he was(is) trying to cover for a slip.

I don't understand the overdefensiveness on his play so early in the game. It doesn't make any sense to me, what can you possibly be worried about that you're so freaked out over others not understanding your case? And then going on to break it down completely was just so unnecessary. It doesn't sit right with me.

[AntB]

Defiance, yes, over-defensiveness, no. I clarified my vote using terms which had been throw at me and gave my then current and previous opinion.

Add bold to show the over-defence, and italics to show the panicking specifically, please.

[JesseSheffield]

Your whole quote was overdefensive and in my opinion, being overdefensive is panicking. And what exactly are you being defiant against?

[AntB]

So now covering up a slip isn't serious...

sure whatever.

The italics would be the defiant part. Refusal to acknowledge something which has been stated to me.

[Egg]

I don't Broken, no, I was sure you didn't honestly believe that anyone was confirmed anything. I just wanted reasons for your suspicions or for you to say they were either random or reactionary.

The reason for the questions was to get some kind of interaction with every player to get a better feel of who may be scum and who probably isn't. Seemed like a good way to get myself into the game too. I don't want to be the clueless guy in the background.

The smash vote seemed like the best place to put my vote at the time and I stand by it. He used the phrase "slightly serious" which is a huge red flag for me, as I stated already. I don't believe in half jokes. As in, I don't think they exist. In life, when someone says they are half joking, chances are they are being serious and don't want to offend anybody. In mafia, if someone is "half joking", chances are they are trying to open up some options with their vote. Maybe a wagon takes off. Now they can claim that their vote had reasoning. Say someone calls them out for the vote. Now its "come on, I was joking". I think smash is scum, but at the very least, I want a committed stance as to whether or not he was joking with that vote.

Id love to post more but my computer is acting up. I'll read more later

[brokenscraps]

The smash vote seemed like the best place to put my vote at the time and I stand by it. He used the phrase "slightly serious" which is a huge red flag for me, as I stated already. I don't believe in half jokes. As in, I don't think they exist. In life, when someone says they are half joking, chances are they are being serious and don't want to offend anybody. In mafia, if someone is "half joking", chances are they are trying to open up some options with their vote. Maybe a wagon takes off. Now they can claim that their vote had reasoning. Say someone calls them out for the vote. Now its "come on, I was joking". I think smash is scum, but at the very least, I want a committed stance as to whether or not he was joking with that vote.

Magic 100% working scumtells? Old school scumhunting at its very worst...

Do you seriously believe this? That the use of the phrase "half-serious" in a random vote makes someone scummy? And more so than anybody else so far?

If you're seriously looking at secret magical scumtells, how about the fact that you asked a question of everybody in the game except Nacho? Huge red flag for me, in mafia if someone is "11/12 player questioning", chances are they are trying to avoid talking to their pressured scum buddy.

If you don't just wanna be that guy in the background get your head out of the RVS. Otherwise you're doing a fine job at avoiding taking a stance on the wagons that already exist. More scum points for you.