Open 278: Empking's Five Player

[bv310]

Posting in all my games: V/LA from now until the 8th. Two term papers and a 35% presentation mean I'm not going to be around as much as I'd like. If this is a problem, please replace me.

[bvoigt]

I'm a miller, I swear!

[Stefunny]

This thread needs more posts! I've actually really been thinking about this game now and I have time to devote to it!

[brokenscraps]

Does anyone else think that bvoigt may have been bussing Stefunny at the beginning and once he saw an excuse to declare her obvtown jumped on it?

There are arguments both ways for lynching bvoigt today vs tomorrow. One wrong vote by a townie could lose the game either today or tomorrow, but it will be harder for scum to coordinate a mislynch today than to mislynch with one vote tomorrow. The odds either way are the same (assuming I die, which I will): remaining scum is one of three people, and two townies know it is one of two. Those three, if we lynch bvoigt right now, will be the same today or tomorrow. I still think we should probably lynch bvoigt today, but not until discussion today.

When I have more time I'll have a thorough rereading of bvoigt's interactions with other players done. I'd encourage everyone to do the same. Except bvoigt, sorry if this day gets extended...

[bvoigt]

@mod:

In my situation, I really don't see any value in posting. Will you replace me if I don't post?

[Stefunny]

I think it's fairly obv we are going to end up lynching Bvoigt end of day but I'd like to evaluate who his partner is before that. I'd like to hear from Cthulhu as to why it's bv310 and not him instead of restating the numbers game.
What I'm trying to figure out myself is if bvoigt pushing for a bv310 investigation late D1 was him bussing partner for a guilty to keep him alive a day longer, or if it was him trying to get heat off of him AND Cthulhu.

[brokenscraps]

@mod:

In my situation, I really don't see any value in posting. Will you replace me if I don't post?

I'd have no problem with this and I doubt anyone else would. It'd be cruel to do anything else.

[Stefunny]

@Mod:

Can we get a Cthulhu prod? I know bv310 is on V/LA till the 8th but Cthulhu to my knowledge hasn't stated he's V/LA.

[Cthulhu]

I'm a miller, I swear!

That actually made me laugh. Thanks.

At the beginning of the game, bvoigt and Stefuuny had a minor disagreement, which might be a very small case of bussing. Then in post 40, bviogt declared Stefunny town, leaving only myself and bv310 as possible suspects. In the same post, he disregarded bv310 as not doing 'anything overly scummy', and then jumped on the case made by scraps in post 36. These two posts are very similar. Then in post 49, Stefunny builds a very weak case and then asserts that she thinks bvoigt is scum, along with me, while bv310 isn't, based on a feeling. This seems scummy on it's own, but especially so when bvoigt flipped scum because it seems co-ordinated with bviogt's earlier bussing. In post 55, Stefunny suggests I should be investigated, and then in post 66, she suggests that bviogt should, while giving no evidence to validate the change. in post 77, Stefunny makes up some rubbish to incriminate me, while interestingly suggesting that most of the other players think that I'm scum.

However, when it comes to confirming suspicions for the cop, Stefunny is okay with bv310 being investigated, after thinking for the entire game that he was town. bvoigt wants bv310 investigated. And then when it is even between bv310 and bvoigt, she goes for bvoigt and denies me the opportunity to choose. This inconsistently from skipping from a candidate whose been seen as town for the entire game, to bviogt who she thinks is scum is very suspect.

bv310 though has played ridiculously. In his fifteen posts, he briefly contributed to the discussion of statistics and then raised the point about voting for the investigation. Aside from that, he gives excuses for lurking and ironically encourages the rest of us to contribute more. And then finally chooses either me or bvoigt as guilty before finally choosing bvoigt but only because it was only him or bvoigt.

I think it's fairly obv we are going to end up lynching Bvoigt end of day but I'd like to evaluate who his partner is before that. I'd like to hear from Cthulhu as to why it's bv310 and not him instead of restating the numbers game.

I don't think so, none of you have presented me with a case that stands up to any sort of scrutiny. I don't need to defend myself, especially when compared to bv310's play. Try making a case on me, or defending yourself.

It is kinda late now and I'm tired so I'll have another look tomorrow.

[Stefunny]

Cthulhu I stated quite a few times my logic behind the investigation vote. It feels like you don't read other peoples posts thoroughly, or you don't care, or you don't comprehend.
I will reiterate again... We know Brokenscraps is town; if I am town then I know there are 3 people left and 2 are scum. It almost doesn't matter who we investigate. If we hit town I automatically know both scum, if we hit scum then I know one scum and have another day to figure out the second one. It almost would be better to push for somebody you think is town to be investigated if you are town! I said a couple of times it didn't matter who was investigated, with only 3 options you would figure out at least 1 scum with ANY investigation. If YOU are town you would have felt the same way. The fact that you didn't really really makes me think you are NOT TOWN. I'm still working on comparing your interactions with Bvoigts and bv310s interactions with bvoigt. I'm also kind of waiting for bv310 to come back.
My defense is based on my stupidity and not paying close enough attention to the set up. Obviously if I was scum the info would have been in my PM thread and it would have been hard for me to ignore. Yes, I'm pretty much claiming VI... If it wasn't for others pointing it out I probably still wouldn't understand the set up because I'm a dumb ass. =(

You can believe it or not, but trying to launch a case against me when bv310 is definitely more of a threat is just silly.

[bvoigt]

Crime is underrated.

[Zajnet]

I'm sorry I haven't been here the past few days.

@bvoigt: I'm not going to replace you for not posting in your situation.

Votecount #3

bv310: 0
Cthulhu: 0
bvoigt: 0
Stefunny: 0
brokenscraps: 1 (bvoigt)

No Lynch: 0

I'm not going to instate a deadline, but I'd like it if y'all kept the game moving. As of today, nobody is on V/LA so I expect posts. We just had a 36 hour period with no posting.

[Stefunny]

BV has been on V/la but has been posting elsewhere. If we don't have a post from him by the end of the day can you prod him please?

[brokenscraps]

We need bv310 in here.

That defense looks a bit strange Stefunny. You aren't confirmed town to anyone else. You did make a slip-up in terms of scum roles and while I find that strong it isn't conclusive, especially after confirmed scum jumped on it to clear you. In terms of "it almost would be better to push for somebody you think is town to be investigated if you are town" it seems possible that you switched to bvoigt last minute when you realized that a bv310 townflip would confirm you as scum to Cthulhu.

[Stefunny]

I don't think the defense is strange, I think it makes sense. I did slip up in terms of scum roles and I know that doesn't automatically rule me out. However everyone that is town, with exception of you, only really had 3 possible suspects, Yes I switched to bvoigt at the last minute but it REALLY didn't matter who got investigated because of how the numbers fell. PLUS we weren't voting to end the day so when Cthulhu says I voted and didn't give him a chance it really didn't make any sense. He could have just as well disagreed with me and voted bv310 and we could have discussed it. It was HIS vote that achieved the no lynch, he didn't have to end the day.

He was the only one who didn't want to give a straightforward answer in who he wanted investigated and once I switched my vote he decided to just end the day instead of trying to present a case. I still don't feel he has really ever made it clear who he thinks is scum with bvoigt. D1 he said he was "struggling to pick someone to be investigated" and D2 twice he has said "I'll come back and reread tomorrow" I feel like he does a lot of fence sitting and is extremely noncommittal.

[Stefunny]

Okay, getting a little out of hand, can we hand out some prods please?

[Zajnet]

I'm prodding bv310 and Cthulhu. I'm not going to prod bvoigt.

[Cthulhu]

Cthulhu I stated quite a few times my logic behind the investigation vote. It feels like you don't read other peoples posts thoroughly, or you don't care, or you don't comprehend.

There is nothing I like more than being patronized, thanks.

If YOU are town you would have felt the same way. The fact that you didn't really really makes me think you are NOT TOWN. I'm still working on comparing your interactions with Bvoigts and bv310s interactions with bvoigt. I'm also kind of waiting for bv310 to come back.

And if I was scum? I'm town, so if I choose to investigate someone I thought was town and there were, that would leave me, the confirmed townie and the cop as the town. Even though I know I'm town I wouldn't neccesarily be able convince the confirmed players that I am on their side, especially as I am two against one in terms of unconfirmed players. This would create lylo; if I was lynched, the either of the other players would be killed and the game would finish. On the other hand, if I voted to investigate a player I thought was scum and succeded then we'd have one confirmed town, one confirmed scum, two unconfirmed townies and the last scum. I would still have to convince the same number of people to succeed in a lynch but this situation is mylo. It seems to me that it would be more advantageous to investigate scum, and give ourselves an extra day to find the last scum, as opposed to your theory.

My defense is based on my stupidity and not paying close enough attention to the set up. Obviously if I was scum the info would have been in my PM thread and it would have been hard for me to ignore. Yes, I'm pretty much claiming VI... If it wasn't for others pointing it out I probably still wouldn't understand the set up because I'm a dumb ass. =(

You can believe it or not, but trying to launch a case against me when bv310 is definitely more of a threat is just silly.

That is a very weak defence. Why is it silly to attack you instead of bv310? I agree with brokenscrap's assessment by the way.

PLUS we weren't voting to end the day so when Cthulhu says I voted and didn't give him a chance it really didn't make any sense. He could have just as well disagreed with me and voted bv310 and we could have discussed it. It was HIS vote that achieved the no lynch, he didn't have to end the day.

What's your point? I was trying to get you guys to talk so I could try and work out who was scum, in hindsight I should have been making aimlessly vauge statements without evidence until the day ended. Besides you'd chosen to investigate bvoigt so even if I'd voted for bv310 it wouldn't have mattered, and as you were not answering my questions there was nothing else to do but end the day.

[Zajnet]

I'm prodding bv310 again.

[brokenscraps]

VOTE: bvoigt

This is ridiculous.

[Stefunny]

Can we replace bv3 please?

Vote: Bvoigt

[bv310]

Version 3 of this motherfucking post. The "I swear this site hates me" edition.

Cthulhu is scum. Here's why:

First post, he says that he agrees with the no lynch plan, but that it's anti-town to propose it. This looks to me like something scumbuddies would cook up in pregame to try and help each other get some town cred early.

Then, his reaction to my "vote for the investigation" plan is just bad. His first reaction is a misunderstanding, but once he understands what's going on, he says that he's worried that scum will try to influence it. This is clearly just him setting himself up to go "See, I was right" if the target flipped Town.

Then we come to his interaction with bvoigt. To me, the whole run just reeks of weak bussing. Neither of them ever really commit to the argument against each other, and the second he gets an opportunity to jump somewhere else, he does.

Then he starts asking pointless rhetorical questions, and trying to push not answering them as scummy.

I also love his ISO 14 where he refuses to provide a case against me, saying that no one else has given a case, so he wouldn't.

I'll vote for bvoigt, but I think this day can get a bit more info in it first.

[bvoigt]

UNVOTE: brokenscraps
VOTE: bvoigt

I might as well end the day with as little discussion as possible.

[Zajnet]

Votecount #4

bv310: 0
Cthulhu: 0
bvoigt: 3 (brokenscraps, Stefunny, bvoigt)
Stefunny: 0
brokenscraps: 0

No Lynch: 0

bvoigt, Mafia Goon, has been lynched.

Night will run until Sunday, March 20th.

[Zajnet]

It is now Day 3.

brokenscraps, One-Shot Publishing Cop, has been killed during the night.