Open 291 Frenenemies (+ other guy) - Game over: Wolves win!

[Quaroath]

Not getting that much out of this RVS so far, so let's do some RQS.

-How screwed is the town?

Three full turns, but not fully yet!

-Which are cooler, werewolves or mafia?

Werewolves, cause you know.. wolves!

-How lurkerish are YOU?

I heavily dislike lurking (by myself) the only reason I hit inactive stages is my job starts sucking up massive amounts of time at unpredictable intervals. Even then I do what I can to post, just isn't' as often. I run a Papa John's, so.. it can be fun working 6 14 hours days a week, and it's happened a few times.

-Rate the following on a scale of Very Scummy to very Noobish to Totally Pro:

-Asking questions about role mechanics (Is this always role fishing?) Overall, I tend to think it's role fishing and am not a fan. Really depend on the roles in the game and how they interact. (If a hider hides with a PGO who is roleblocked, does the hider die kinda thing.)
-Talking about No Lynch Doesn't bother me unless someone is pushing it. neutral
-Talking about theory in the first few pages - Doesn't bug me.

And the most important question:
-Why haven't you voted Crazy yet?

Cause white russians are the devils tool. I already said that.

[ThAdmiral]

vote count

Crazy - 3 (Krazy, parknourie, Jerbs)
Jerbs
Krazy - 1 (Glass)
Quaroath - 1 (TheBigLebowski)
wizrak - 1 (smashbro_of_the_SSS)
Glass - 1 (aaah400)
smashbro_of_the_SSS
parknourie
TheBigLebowski - 2 (Quaroath, chkflip)
chkflip - 2 (Crazy, wizrak)
aaah400

[Crazy]

Quaroath, do you think Krazy's random questions were the only notable thing to happen so far in the thread?

[parknourie]

What is with just responding to the random questions? Don't feel the need to say anything else?
park, TBL, and Jerbs - Why did you completely ignore the exchange between me and chkflip and instead just post answers to Krazy's questions?


I'll get to these now. Basically there are nothing really eye-arresting for me. Also, I feel obligation to answer Random Questions first above anything else. Crazy, Krazy stuff was a pre-game joke, btw.
Also,

Unvote

Vote: Wizrak

Not only has he (she?) posted so little, she hasnt even answered the questions from Krazy but says that "all we are doing is Q&A" and simply crowds Chkflip.
Doesn't seem like a serious player, he is by far the scummiest yet. He still has to answer what kind of "reaction" he was looking for with his stupid vote on Post 70.

[wizrak]

Gay....

There is my reaction, Park.
Also, I still havent received any "reaction" from chkflip, and u also killed my chance of having one.
SO GOOD JOB FFS (SACASTICALLY)
UNVOTE:

[parknourie]

I absolutely have no idea on what this guy babbles.
Someone translate him for me? (or her?)

[Krazy]

I know what she's saying.

unvote; vote wizrak

I'M JOINING THE WAGON BECAUSE WIZRAK IS A WAGONER
<--HYPOCRITE

NO BREAKS

[wizrak]

I know what she's saying.

unvote; vote wizrak

I'M JOINING THE WAGON BECAUSE WIZRAK IS A WAGONER
<--HYPOCRITE

NO BREAKS

LOL, I unvoted, not wagoned.

-end-

[Crazy]

I'm gone for over 24 hours and there are only 5 posts?

Krazy, your last post sucks. Explain yourself, please. Just because you openly admit that you're a hypocrite doesn't make it any better.

I don't agree with the wizrak wagon, but at least park is doing SOMETHING, which is more than most people have done.

Unvote: chkflip

but still IGMEOY

Vote: Quaroath

There was no excuse for him just posting his RQS answers and nothing else, despite there being plenty of stuff on Page 3 to comment on. And the fact that it's been almost 48 hours since then and he still didn't follow up on anything doesn't help his case.

Yes, there are other lurkers, but my focus in on Quaroath right now.

[Krazy]

Yeah sorry; as in: chk votes me after there is already at least one vote on me, no explanation no questions no commentary, then votes chk after there is already a vote, almost no commentary or questions still. No pressure behind the random votes, no useful information being drawn = putting in the motions of RVS without actually using it productively. Two random votes on players that have already been randomly voted... just isn't that random.

[Quaroath]

I'm gone for over 24 hours and there are only 5 posts?

Krazy, your last post sucks. Explain yourself, please. Just because you openly admit that you're a hypocrite doesn't make it any better.

I don't agree with the wizrak wagon, but at least park is doing SOMETHING, which is more than most people have done.

Unvote: chkflip

but still IGMEOY

Vote: Quaroath

There was no excuse for him just posting his RQS answers and nothing else, despite there being plenty of stuff on Page 3 to comment on. And the fact that it's been almost 48 hours since then and he still didn't follow up on anything doesn't help his case.

Yes, there are other lurkers, but my focus in on Quaroath right now.

Fine by me.

I run a Papa John's, I work 16 hour days friday and saturday. Getting your undies in a twist because I don't post on the two busiest days of the week isn't really going to upset me, when it's your personal "i asked you a question 40 hours ago and you haven't answered me yet" reasoning.

That said... get used to me not posting on Friday or Saturday. If I do they won’t be very in depth. (this one is the exception not the rule)

Anyways to anwer your original question about if anything of note had happened.

As opposed to what, exactly? Black Russians?

VOTE: TheBigLebowski

Now, which comment is more odd - Quaroath's choo-choo comment without him actually being on the wagon

or

the fact that Glass felt it necessary to point out the obvious? Neither. They're both dismissable.

Jerbs' OMGUS through an RVS filter is something to note, though.

Interesting that he had to bring up something that would have had zero mention otherwise. I think saying that it’s dismissible is just wrong, in theory it could be early scum distancing (or an attempt at giving that perception to other players). Nothing is dismissible when playing mafia. Nothing! Could be taking as town or scum tone.

Now, which comment is more odd - Quaroath's choo-choo comment without him actually being on the wagon or the fact that Glass felt it necessary to point out the obvious? Neither. They're both dismissable.

Saying something's dismissable doesn't do anything except kill a possible discussion point. Why'd you feel the need to point that out?

Protown post. Pretty much the same thoughts I had.

Now, which comment is more odd - Quaroath's choo-choo comment without him actually being on the wagon or the fact that Glass felt it necessary to point out the obvious? Neither. They're both dismissable.

Saying something's dismissable doesn't do anything except kill a possible discussion point. Why'd you feel the need to point that out?

It could only kill the discussion if everyone has the same opinion I do... which I highly doubt. I felt the need to point it out because, to me, at that current moment, it's not worth much; NOW, however, it strikes me that Quar still felt the need to elaborate.

This though is just ridiculous. You pointed out the glass/me interaction and that it might be off, (thereby implying a question), so I answered it (the implied question). Answering questions is scummy. Gotcha.

How is saying that something is "dismissible" supposed to start discussion?

"OMG everyone look at what that guy did!! Now let's dismiss it!"

The same way it already has.

Unvote
Vote: chkflip

Ha. This little interchange is both amusing and noteworthy. You two are starting out of the gate pretty strong after each other. That's definately worth noting.

I thought that the conversation was over.

SRSLY??? You have nothing to say about it? ZOMG.

You have to come away with some reason to the chkflp/crazy unrest. What is it? Conversations being over doesn’t mean you didn’t read them (one hopes)

Anyways… Wizrak is being a little whacky with the voting. Is notable, and hard to understand, but in time that should play out and self explain.

At the end, I think I'll

unvote: vote: chkflp

for getting his knickers in a knot and portraying me answering two peoples implied questions and saying that its odd that I did so.

[parknourie]

Papa John's is not in NZ
Anyways, chkflip wagon is not really clear to me at this point.

[Crazy]

Okay, Quaroath. I'll keep your schedule in mind; that's totally fine.

My issue with you really wasn't with you not posting; it was more about your choice of what to respond to. Posting answers to Random Questions (and nothing else) at that stage was kind of pointless; there were more interesting things to talk about.

I'm just wondering - if you had limited time and couldn't respond to everything in the thread, why was Krazy's RQS the thing that you chose to comment on?

The reason I'm asking is because posting RQS answers and nothing else made you

look

like you were contributing, but in reality, nothing you gave in that post was substantial at all. It's essentially active lurking.

Though I do thank you for providing us with Post #85.

[Krazy]

Mod: Please prod any of the above players that you feel compelled to:
Jerbs
Glass
smashbro_of_the_SSS
TheBigLebowski
aaah400

[Krazy]

(strike the players that stated V/LA)

[Crazy]

@park - Here is the main reason I voted chkflip. I eliminated all unnecessary information from the argument to make for easy reading. If you think I'm trying to chainsaw this, feel free to go back and read the actual posts.

Now, which comment is more odd - Quaroath's choo-choo comment without him actually being on the wagon or the fact that Glass felt it necessary to point out the obvious? Neither. They're both dismissable.

Saying something's dismissable doesn't do anything except kill a possible discussion point. Why'd you feel the need to point that out?

Now, why did I feel the need to mark it as dismissible? Not only to play Devil's advocate for a moment, but to get discussion flowing. I cannot clearly express my utter disdain for RVS.

How is saying that something is "dismissible" supposed to start discussion?

"OMG everyone look at what that guy did!! Now let's dismiss it!"

The same way it already has.

To which I *eyerolled* because it's clear that the discussion came from me pointing out his scumminess. I'm sure that's the kind of discussion he was looking for, lol.

Is there any reason to call something dismissible? No. But that's not why I voted him. I voted chkflip because of the pathetic way he tried to justify his actions. A townie is way more likely to admit that they made a mistake than a scum is. If he had just said "Okay, I see your point," then I probably wouldn't have voted for him. But then he proceeded to argue some ridiculous point that he was starting to start discussion, so I voted him.

As for Quaroath or wizrak, they may have other reasons for voting chkflip; but this was my reasoning.

[Crazy]

Re-stating my case makes me want to put my vote back on chkflip. Quaroath definitely earned an unvote from me with his last post.

UNVOTE: Quaroath
VOTE: chkflip

[aaah400]

I am here I'm busy atm. ill post soon

[Glass]

Hey guys I am back a little early, and I see that I did miss much except krazy's wagon dying D:

I absolutely have no idea on what this guy babbles.
Someone translate him for me? (or her?)

I can translate (I think): Wizrak tried to get a reaction from chk from voting him without a reason and then you came in and criticized it, making it so that chk would not have to respond to it.

I'M JOINING THE WAGON BECAUSE WIZRAK IS A WAGONER

>implying wagoning is scummy.
Wagoning adds pressure
Pressure makes reactions and conversation
reaction + conversation = good for town
wagoning = good for town
Albeit the way that wizrak is wagoning without any reasoning is counter-productive. I thought that this is what wizrak thought, but since his unvote for no apparent reason came up I am quite suspicious.

Quaroath definitely earned an unvote from me with his last post.

lol wall void of content = worthy of unvote? Noted.
Can you tell me anything you learned from Quaroath's post besides:
-he is busy on friday-saturday
-he agrees with crazy on essentially everything

Answering questions is scummy. Gotcha.

At the end, I think I'll unvote: vote: chkflp for getting his knickers in a knot and portraying me answering two peoples implied questions and saying that its odd that I did so.

He said no such thing. He said:

I felt the need to point it out because, to me, at that current moment, it's not worth much; NOW, however, it strikes me that Quar still felt the need to elaborate.

Worst misrep I have seen in a while, although it is possible you just misread what chk said.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: wizrak
@quaroath IGMEOY

[wizrak]

I am Sry dat I Unvoted (wait, should I even be sorry?) but the reason why I unvoted is due to the fact that I could no longer get a reaction from chkflip due to Park's annoying heroism

[Glass]

idc why you unvoted, I care about why you did not vote anyone else after unvoting or even make an effort to find scum.

[Crazy]

Glass, you may need to reread the thing about chkscum and Quaroath. Quaroath wasn't misrepresenting him; he was making fun of chk's nonsensical argument.

Wizrak, whom are you suspicious of?

[aaah400]

vote glass

[Krazy]

Got explanations?

[wizrak]

VOTE: Chkflip
LoL, you dont have to subliminially indicate ur desire for me to vote for chkflip, Crazy, and heres ur vote that u wanted Glass