Metropolis: Redemption [Game Over]

[GummyBear]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: CooLDOg

For not wanting to double up his scumkill with mine.

Yes, he would be that obvious as scum.

FUCK.



YEAH.

VOTE: CooLDoG

[GummyBear]

Money on Shadow-buddy. They WOULD be scum together.

[Fate]

If only things were that simple.

Your vote is appreciated though, Singer <3

[farside22]

hmmm I see cooldog is calling espy town and not even putting in as possible scum.

I also don't like malthusis entrance in this game. He wants a claim from Espy, but doesn't call him scummy or say why.
And this:

I'd vote for him if it wasn't the hammer, but there's no point hammering this early, especially when most people haven't posted anything more then RVS votes. It all ultimately depends on what he says about all of this though.

Again no reason in this post on why he would vote for espy.

unvote:
vote: malthusis

[nopointinactingup]

Also why claim BP vest now?

We can confirm 1 townie from the lynch pool that way becuz the rules say the 1st person to get it is town.

It can also be done after N1 when said Townie might have drawn a NK, if you wanted to be actually smart about it. Unless it only protects against scum shots.

But really we can confirm a townie during day. I personally don't mind if the herd clears out faster at night, especially with some Trifecto's heads

Gold is like skipping everything and talks about god knows what.
Stefunny is town.
Vote stays on Malthusis for being a little too self conscious.

What 'bout da plan? T_T

[ShadowGuru]

VOTE: Shadow.

Furc. No thanks.

-quadz

Vehement about the game that I won for you as town? good job bro

I'm sorry, I didn't realise you already worked that out. You probably should have told me instead of implying that you had no idea.

I don't like this post.


I don't enjoy the mudslinging casted on me, although it is warranted. There are many games I am sure I've deserved early wagons on me, and this is probably one of them, but for once it is not a result of my bad play

MOI: Know that my play has greatly improved since even when I played with you early-days in [redacted], or wherever it was that you completely gave up and got easily lynched as scum, can't

exactly

remember where, but given that we have played together numerous times, and you are a great poster and scumhunter, don't you believe you will be able to properly read me better than anyone else in the game? I disagree, but hey, it's all good.

Judge(AGar): Sup bro, I didn't realize we would be in multiple games together. I like playing with you, and you seem to be town so far from my reading. I'm glad we're on the same side, for once!

Fate: Sorry about Mafia Holographica, I'm sure you will be able to tell a difference in my play

I want a wagon on the SingerSigner/Quadz hydra for policy

as you can tell, i will be bolding my posts so you all can tell whose posts are whose

[ShadowGuru]

VOTE: Shadow.

Furc. No thanks.

-quadz

Quadz/Singersigner, no thanks
Policy lynch at its finest

Hm.

I don't believe you Fate.

What's the point in completely sheeping, not only a read, but a

POST

...

this is rhetorical

UNVOTE:
VOTE: CooLDOg

For not wanting to double up his scumkill with mine.

Yes, he would be that obvious as scum.

FUCK.



YEAH.

VOTE: CooLDoG

Yes, more sheeping, no reads of your own, no content
likely framer right here bros and hos

Money on Shadow-buddy. They WOULD be scum together.

Yeah.... No.
You WOULD know who are scum... the other part of your hydra:)
also, sign your posts please.

lot of hydras... too many hydras for one game... this game is not big enough for the both of us
lol

Fate unvoting off of the Espeonage wagon is scummy to me
I know I'm doing it, but I wanted to see a hammer on that...
I will revote Espeonage at any time that people address they have interest in it, assuming there is not a developing wagon on singersigner/quadz

Vote: GummyBear

[ReaperCharlie]

Metropolis

∴

Redemption

— The Phantom Pollbooth

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Espeonage [4] – AGar, CooLDoG, LynchMePls, MagnaofIllusion

malthusis [3]

– nopointinactingup, Espeonage, farside22

CoolDoG [2]

– Fate, GummyBear

AGar [1]

– Stefunny

GummyBear [1]

– ShadowGuru

ShadowGuru [1]

– Gold

Not voting

– malthusis

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With 13 alive, it is 7 to lynch. The deadline for Day 1 is March 19th, 6pm PST (9pm EST).

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[AGar]

Reactions to Espe-wagon:

Espe is most definitely anti-town. The whole "Like I would claim? Hah!" and "Lynch me if you please." posts are just scum trying to bait town into thinking mislynch.
Malthusis is a likely buddy to Espe if Espe is scum, although I lean more SK on Espe.
Cooldog is prob-scum.
Nopoint is scummeh.

Need more info for D1.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Cooldog

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Hi Furc. Seem to be improving, like the posting so far. Off read on Gummybear, I think, but logically achieved.
Cooldog, no. Haven't played with you. But your posting in 62 makes me never want to endure more than a D1 with you.
I like Fate so far.

[CooLDoG]

@espy, how can you confirm fate?
@Agar, mind giving some more reasons about why I'm scum?
@Gummy, would you answer to Shadows points?

[MagnaofIllusion]

@MOD – I’ll be V/LA from about 1 pm EST today until Monday morning

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But really we can confirm a townie during day. I personally don't mind if the herd clears out faster at night, especially with some Trifecto's heads

Yeah, but you aren’t thinking it through. If BP vest does not claim and plays uber Town and draws the Trifecta NK then they are still confirmed plus we fucked with a Mafia kill plus you get even better PoE after we lynch Day 1.

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I'd vote for him if it wasn't the hammer, but there's no point hammering this early, especially when most people haven't posted anything more then RVS votes. It all ultimately depends on what he says about all of this though.

If you weren’t willing to hammer why did you say you expect him to claim?

I'm still pondering about what Fate's claim means in regard to him. I could see any alignment of Fate doing this, and he's ultimately a bit of a wild card and hard to read. Considering that most of the argument about his claim is total WIFOM at best, I think it's more of a null tell right now

Fluff, fluff, fluff, wonderful fluff.

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Does CDog even, pay attention now, give thought to the possibility of either me or Espeon being scum?

NO.

BECAUSE WERE NOT LISTED IN HIS ROLE PM.

This quote alone is epically sheep-worthy. And I don’t usually sheep …

UNVOTE: Espeonage
VOTE: CooLDoG

See what you can accomplish when you aren’t constrained by the shackles of Caps Lawk Fate?

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L-1 on espy... That wagon built up fast. I want an espy claim. And it had better be spelled correctly (fate).

So you want a claim when no-one has even hinted at hammering and when you are expressing ‘concern’ about how fast the wagon built? Scumtastic. You know very well that premature claiming leads to bad results (Brotherhood of the Wolf).

@fate, who are you killing tonight?

Insert face-palm pic here …

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Please don't be stupid people. As if I'm going to claim straight out of the gate this early on day one. By all means if you still want to lynch me later that's cool.

If someone threatened to hammer you and you were a Town PR you had best have claimed. Your use of MoI Secret Scum-tell Number 5 noted for the record.

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So Fate was your claim just an attempt to scum hunt or was it legit? Unfortunately I have NOT played with any of the rest of you so I don't know metas of anyone. What I do know is that according to wiki the Evil Angel is technically a third party, right? So do you claim knowing that you don't really have a chance to win once a claim happens?

So you ask a question and then provide the logical answer in your last sentence. What was the point of this post again?

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MOI: Know that my play has greatly improved since even when I played with you early-days in [redacted], or wherever it was that you completely gave up and got easily lynched as scum, can't exactly remember where, but given that we have played together numerous times, and you are a great poster and scumhunter, don't you believe you will be able to properly read me better than anyone else in the game? I disagree, but hey, it's all good.

You haven’t in any game shown me what I would call great improvement. Cyclical Experiment was the closest to what I would call small steps but even there you caused Vi to have to take over the Hydra slot to prevent disaster.

And yes, I do think I can read you well. I pretty much nailed you as scum pretty easily Bold and Beautiful along with miller13 early on.

I want a wagon on the SingerSigner/Quadz hydra for policy

For you to call for a policy lynch on anyone when you decry mud-slinging / talk of a policy lynch on your slot is at best hypocritical.

Fate unvoting off of the Espeonage wagon is scummy to me
I know I'm doing it, but I wanted to see a hammer on that...

So what are your strongly developed reasons for wanting a Esp lynch again. The only hints I see in your ISO are ‘I don’t like this post’ (with no explanation why) in ISO 8 and that Esp believed Fate in ISO 5.

And calling someone scummy for doing exactly what you are doing is again hypocritical, regardless of whether you acknowledge it.

[AGar]

Okay, theoretically, if I wanted to double my nk with yours how could I do that without knowing yours?

Ohh, and I bet I know where this whole sk thing is gonna wind up.
Here is how I see it:

1) fate claims sk
2)Espy claims that he knows that fate isn't lying.
3)Fate is gonna hop out of the bushes saying, "HIGH GUYS! I"M NOT THE SK< DUH! I"M THE FRIGGIN VIG, HAHAHA ESPY IS DUH SK OR SCUMS!"
4)espy gets lynched anyway and flips town big
5) fate gets lynched and flips VT
6)Fate has succeeded in screwing up another perfectly good game.

My vote stays on espy for now.

This should be the reason that every player should be on the Cooldog wagon.

To sum it up... moonbeams.

But really, "I think Espeonage is a town PR and Fate is a VT, but I'm gonna call out Fate for fucking up and leave my vote on the player I think is a town PR."

Yeah, no.

[farside22]

Reactions to Espe-wagon:

Espe is most definitely anti-town. The whole "Like I would claim? Hah!" and "Lynch me if you please." posts are just scum trying to bait town into thinking mislynch.
Malthusis is a likely buddy to Espe if Espe is scum, although I lean more SK on Espe.
Cooldog is prob-scum.
Nopoint is scummeh.

Need more info for D1.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Cooldog

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Hi Furc. Seem to be improving, like the posting so far. Off read on Gummybear, I think, but logically achieved.
Cooldog, no. Haven't played with you. But your posting in 62 makes me never want to endure more than a D1 with you.
I like Fate so far.

Agar if you think there is a scum team between espy and malth and cooldog is prob scum listed 3rd. Why are you voting him above the other 2?

[farside22]

We can confirm 1 townie from the lynch pool that way becuz the rules say the 1st person to get it is town.

I agree with MOI that information is better tomorrow. If scum target the bp during the night it's better for the town.

[AGar]

Agar if you think there is a scum team between espy and malth and cooldog is prob scum listed 3rd. Why are you voting him above the other 2?

I'm taking my quote out and chopping it to bits and pieces for emphasis here.

Espe is most definitely anti-town

.

Malthusis is a likely buddy to Espe if Espe is scum

, although

I lean more SK on Espe

.

Cooldog is prob-scum.

Need more info for D1.

I think that should get the point across.

[CooLDoG]

Agar I still don't completely understand your reasons.
Mandga, people were hinting at a hammer if you were reading the thread. I think putting players who have excessive information in a day-start game under pressure is a good thing. And I never want to hear about that game again.

[Espeonage]

Goddamn it. I made a mental note to never sheep Fate ever again.

@ CD's question: Well I can't, can I? Am I missing something or was that a stupid question.

@ CD: Explaining youself instead of asking meaningless questions and asking for reason that have already been given would be much appreciated.

Unvote, Vote: CD

[MagnaofIllusion]

Mandga, people were hinting at a hammer if you were reading the thread.

People is a term that means more than 1. Name more than one person who can credibly by considered to be hinting they want to hammer. You can’t Here’s a road map for you –

I put Esp at L-1 at post 48.

LMP’s lame ‘fake-hammer’ at 50 doesn’t count as if you were reading the thread you would know he was already on the wagon.

Gold ignores the game completely at 51.

Malth I’ll give you credit for at 52 as I thought the same thing.

Fate unvotes at 59.

Once again – why is someone claiming (as you wanted Esp to do so) good if you think he is Town (inferred by your comment about wagon speed)? Town claiming without good reason is not good play.

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Goddamn it. I made a mental note to never sheep Fate ever again.

But you turn around and do so in this post. Why even post that statement? Trying to distance yourself from the wagon in the event it turns out badly?

[AGar]

Agar I still don't completely understand your reasons.

YOU'RE VOTING FOR A PLAYER YOU SAID YOU THINK IS A TOWN PR.

[Stefunny]

MOI: I just didn't understand the point of claiming Evil Angel if you knew you could not meet your win conditions after claiming. I figured the only reasoning would have been a scum hunting scheme.

Either way I believe it worked. I don't see the calling Fate and Espe town being the scum tell as much as I see

Okay, theoretically, if I wanted to double my nk with yours how could I do that without knowing yours?

and

So let me get this straight, I would want to piggyback on your kill because?

You keep referring to this NK you seem to have.
VOTE: CooLDoG L-1 plz.

[Gold]

Have you played mafia/forum mafia at all? Do you have an previous experience on other sites?

Yes I have, although this one is moving more quickly than the previous one's I've played in, sorry for my inactivity.

Reactions to Espe-wagon:

Espe is most definitely anti-town. The whole "Like I would claim? Hah!" and "Lynch me if you please." posts are just scum trying to bait town into thinking mislynch.
Malthusis is a likely buddy to Espe if Espe is scum, although I lean more SK on Espe.
Cooldog is prob-scum.
Nopoint is scummeh.

Need more info for D1.

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Agar if you think there is a scum team between espy and malth and cooldog is prob scum listed 3rd. Why are you voting him above the other 2?

Yeah i still don't understand the point you're trying to get across, why pick a needle out of the haystack

[ShadowGuru]

Hi Furc. Seem to be improving, like the posting so far. Off read on Gummybear, I think, but logically achieved.
Cooldog, no. Haven't played with you. But your posting in 62 makes me never want to endure more than a D1 with you.
I like Fate so far.

I liked his fishing for information, but I wish he would be more active. I dislike neutered-fate. I want balls-to-the-wall hunting scum fate.

=cut=

MOI: Know that my play has greatly improved since even when I played with you early-days in [redacted], or wherever it was that you completely gave up and got easily lynched as scum, can't exactly remember where, but given that we have played together numerous times, and you are a great poster and scumhunter, don't you believe you will be able to properly read me better than anyone else in the game? I disagree, but hey, it's all good.

You haven’t in any game shown me what I would call great improvement. Cyclical Experiment was the closest to what I would call small steps but even there you caused Vi to have to take over the Hydra slot to prevent disaster.

And yes, I do think I can read you well. I pretty much nailed you as scum pretty easily Bold and Beautiful along with miller13 early on.

I want a wagon on the SingerSigner/Quadz hydra for policy

For you to call for a policy lynch on anyone when you decry mud-slinging / talk of a policy lynch on your slot is at best hypocritical.

Fate unvoting off of the Espeonage wagon is scummy to me
I know I'm doing it, but I wanted to see a hammer on that...

So what are your strongly developed reasons for wanting a Esp lynch again. The only hints I see in your ISO are ‘I don’t like this post’ (with no explanation why) in ISO 8 and that Esp believed Fate in ISO 5.

And calling someone scummy for doing exactly what you are doing is again hypocritical, regardless of whether you acknowledge it.

AFAIK acknowledged hypocrisy is not a scumtell. I feel it is different, and I will explain it later.

I doubt I would have been lynched. Your opinion of good play and mine are different, obviously, so we aren't going to be mucking up the thread arguing over proper play,

right

?

I'll make one point though:
I feel like your play is that of someone who tries to be so logical, that you behave nearly like a robot sometimes. You can take this as you will, but I question your gut.

I disagree that it is hypocritical for me to call for a policy lynch. I have gotten numerous scums lynched in numerous games since you have played with me, even participating in a few lopsided town wins. Hell, I even won one as scum, and got to lylo as an SK offsite, where I would have won if I didn't have a terrible voting restriction!

I feel I'm good at reading singer's meta, which is why, if you'll notice, I asked singer to start signing!

I don't need strongly developed reasons for my gut on espionage, as I'm not voting him. I'm leaning on him being SK from gut and general posting behavior/tone. Many other people addressed the read, so why aren't you grilling them?

To explain the "acknowledged hypocrisy" unvoting AFTER someone unvoted and took pressure off isn't the exact same thing. I was ready for a hammer, but that didn't happen, so it is best to use that to continue pressuring other people (as long as we don't force unnecessarily)

We can confirm 1 townie from the lynch pool that way because the rules say the 1st person to get it is town.

I agree with MOI that information is better tomorrow. If scum target the bp during the night it's better for the town.

I disagree with this policy. I'd rather the bulletproof come out, and lead a random lynch. Scum might even have to counterclaim that, so if someone is going to do that, it might be best to just claim, and not lead yet, waiting on everyone to have an opportunity to counterclaim

before

they can see who the lynch is going to be on. I doubt people will want this to happen, but I find it to be a pretty good practice as town, and I believe we would benefit from an unwavering lynch from confirmed town. If it is in the game, we might as well use it to our benefit while we can. Once it is passed randomly, we won't be able to guarantee shit. If you're wanting to just wait until d2 to do that, by all means, I agree with it in the sense that then scum won't be able to counterclaim without incorporating ties unnecessarily. For instance: player a passes to player b. player b is on a scum team with player c. player b counterclaims having sent it to player c, and player a is lynched, flipping town. obvious suspicion on both scum there... scum can't counterclaim on d2 without potentially outing 2 people unless they are a really good guesser as to who the bulletproof was sent to... I realize I'm sort of arguing against myself, but I'd be happy with either of these scenarios. D2 is actually probably better, so I guess I don't disagree with M.o.I. and you, farside, after all. It makes counter claiming not as good. I'm not going to take you all for your word on this, though. First, I'm going to make sure this is how that works.

[Fate]

Espeon, I thought you said you'd always sheep me because I'd bus as scum and I'd find scum as town? OR was that someone different.

I don't like my freedom of expression restricted either Shadow, but here we are.

If it weren't for farside I'd go back to political protest by making this thread an eyesore like Blackest Night, showing the irony and stupidity of such a rule.

MoI sheeping nocaps me just makes me die on the inside. It reminds me of a movie.. somewhere...where the hero loses his powers or something and the evil guy applauds it. Hercules maybe? When Hercules gives up his invincibility and Hades is like "Yess YESSSSSSSS HAHAHHAHA thats a good boy Herc! Look at how much you can accomplish with nocaps!"

[CooLDoG]

@espy you said that you don't think fate is lying, why?
@manga, Malt hinted that he would be willing to vote for him in post #52 and 54.
@Agar never said that I thought he was a town power role. I said fate most likely isn't. I personally think espy is the sk, however, knowing that fate has an uncanny ability to screw games up, I made a witty comment about how fates gambit will bring nothing but destruction to the town.
@Ste, its theoretical. Fate kept mumbling about how I would want to piggy back on his night kill, thus I asked some theoretical questions.

[ShadowGuru]

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Also why claim BP vest now?

One Citizen will begin the game with a Bulletproof Vest, which must be passed on at each Night's end.

This means it gets passed on. Unless this is in scum hands in which case it sucks for the town. If the vest in the hands of town then they should look at each player and have a good read on the best person to pass it onto next.

By claiming vest now, that gives town a clear. This is rare in itself in a game on MS, therefore I think we should utilize the ability of having a town clear. Every odd night, he gets protected by the BP vest and every even night the doc can protect him.

So I'm told to confirm in thread, but when I get in thread, the game is already going. *boggle*

Vote: ShadowGuru

Pure unadulterated PL.

Realizes that the game is "already going", yet doesn't weigh in on any of the discussion and tries to prolong RVS with his PL.

Last I saw you were allowing yourself, as a Town Bulletproof, to get lynched Day 1 of Clash of Kings with substandard play. If you haven’t improved (especially with the anchor that is Furc attached to you) don’t expect any leeway from me.

Yeah, I shouldn't have /in'ed to that game, I had a bunch of games going on and couldn't keep up

No questions have yet been asked that would received anything but an altogether ambiguous answer.

The setup is 'semi-open', but that does not make it entirely Open.

Is the Angel of Death or whatever it's really called able to bypass the Vest?

If so, doc would have to be on the clear every night if the person were to claim until we nail the Angel
MoI - town
Agar - town
Espeo - scum