There Will Be Bloodshed (Game Over)

[ConfidAnon]

unvote, vote: ConfidAnon and all he stands for

I hearby stand for kittens, sex, and Chuck Norris.

Do you really want to lynch those three things?

Sudden Parama votes have no merit.

Game is stagnating, I'm stagnating. At this point I'm swayed enough to get on the Friend wagon. Vote: Friend

The game is stagnating, you claim, but you have done nothing to alleviate that problem. Someone with a relatively low content level calling the game slow is terrible. Trying to appear more active than you are? Do you have any other thoughts besides this?

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What's the Diddin case? There's a sudden wash of Diddin suspicion, and I'm not quite sure why.

[Friend]

Guys, I'm sorry. I'll step it up.

I really agree with what THB has saying about silver...he's relentlessly pushing my wagon basically because that's what everyone else has been doing. He's offering nothing else to the game (and yes, it's still a valid point even if it may be hypocritical).

I'm quite at a loss. So you folks want to speed lynch and

give away

the 9 remaining days we have to scum hunt? We can come back to Friend at any time, he's not going anywhere. I've heard recklessness called pro-Town, but trading away time for the quickest, obvious lynch just doesn't seem wise.

I don't like this quote either - pushing for the grand ideal of

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is a really really easy way to appear pro-town without doing anything.

[Pine]

And pushing for a speed lynch is a great way to be anti-Town while not appearing it. What's your point?

[silverbullet999]

FRIEND you have still completely ignored my question I posted to you and have constantly reminded you of.
FOR THE 10TH TIME POST 234

[nhammen]

Ya know, at this point I'm pretty sure all mighty Calcifer would derail any of my other scumspects so whatevs.

Vote: Friend

This is the second time C-Worl even mentioned Friend. The first was pretty much just calling him rude. C has never called Friend scummy.

I spotted another player do this as well, just sec; let me check.

Vote: GreyICE

I just isoed you and used ctrl-f to see if you had mentioned GreyICE before this. The answer: two times. One was for the math thing. The other was for a question asking if he had a problem with your logic. So what is the reason for this vote (near the top of page 9)?

Maybe it was actually the same player.

Yeah, because I'm the one that got pissed that people suddenly started changing their votes just because Mastah Calcifer said so, that makes me scum. Honestly, you people are sheep.

Says the king of sheep himself. "Ooh we're bandwagoning Pine? I'm up for that." "Wait we're not doing that? Better get off this wagon ASAP."

Are you stupid or do you just choose to be ignorant? I voted for Pine only because Calcifer made another unbacked declaration that Pine was magically safe. I only unvoted because everyone else had their heads to far up Calcifer's bottom to realize that they were being manipulated.

I don't think that is the only sheeping that has been seen from you...

I stayed safe by completely avoiding RVS because of how it backfired on me in the game Calc referred to.

It only backfired on you in that last game because of your scum reaction to questioning about your random vote. If you are not scum, why do you need to avoid it?

Cookie's defense on Calc's suspicions is a needstobepolicylynchediftowntell.

Ummm... why? The bad meta is bad, but the first part of the defense makes sense to me.

I'm gonna observe real quick that early on, Calc made a post with a town/scum list in it and I was on neither list so I assumed it meant null. Recently Calc made ANOTHER one of the same lists and I was in the town section. The sole post I made between the two lists contained only an unvote and a "I'll post later." Explanation?

Oh cool! Someone else noticed this as well.

Calcifer, you need to at least give a brief summary of why you put people where you did on the list.

That would be a wall too long for my tastes. Even a summary would be too long. I have reasons for everyone on that list.

Then how about you give explanations for just the people that ask?

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[Friend]

Speed lynches aren't anti-town. If everyone agrees someone is scum they should lynch them. Waiting around and complaining about a lack of discussion isn't solving anything.

[nhammen]

So guys, which is better - trying to defend myself and getting shot down mercilessly by the asshole-ish nature of Calcifer, or simply doing nothing and letting myself get lynched anyways? Either way I feel like my lynching is gonna be a hell of an "I-told-you-so" moment for town and might sway this game. I'm totally fine with getting lynched.

So, this is more evidence Friend is scum.

The correct town answer is "scumhunt". Not defend yourself, not lurk your way out of getting lynched.

Nuts. I was multi-day ninjaed! I was going to post: ChooseAThirdOption (aka, you could hunt scum)

Yeah, but when I try to scumhunt you criticize my style. What's the point?

If you are town, then keep trying. If you are scum, give up now.

-nhammen

I'm thinkin on that.

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Explain what about Wraith's quote was "scummy as hell"

You do realize I asked this a couple pages ago and have since been constantly ignored about it... right?

Good point. Hey, Friend! You could also try answering questions that people ask you, instead of ignoring them.

Did you really have to make sure we knew that you found Grey's vote to be a nulltell? Why?

Because town and scum alike vote NL as a way of getting out of RVS (someone votes them for voting NL, and then other people vote THOSE people...). It was worth a mention that Grey's vote was indeed a nulltell. It was the only thing that really stuck out at the time, so I brought it up. I'm more curious as to why you're asking why I'm giving my reads - more information helps the town, does it not?

I'm actually asking why you gave that as a read, but had no other reads. If you would have answered both questions that I had asked instead of just that one, you would have realized this from the context.

In addition, concerning Post 158/ISO 4 of mine, is the why addressed to:
Why my vote would do better on Pine? I still find him suspicious and there were more votes on him and more support for a lynch than on C-Worl. I enjoy placing my vote where it has more importance, especially if I'm deciding between two people I find scummy.
Why I said it was too stupid to be scummy? I'll quote it for you and you can read it yourself:

No need for the quote. I was asking why your vote was on Pine. You mentioned him multiple times, but never mentioned any suspicions of him before that post. And you did not give reasons in that post either.

And before anyone yells meta, it's personality again. Emp is a very forceful personality who loves to be right, and either isn't easily intimidated or fakes it reasonably well.

He's also as linear as some of my newbies in newbie games. No way in hell does he not have long lectures for us on why his terrible reads are right. I mean they'll still be terrible, but as town he always has convoluted explanations of why he's right. As scum, I'd expect a hell of a lot more like this.

Bad Emp, no treats for you!

Bad meta attack. Do you have examples of scum games where he has played this differently?

View Parama's posts in isolation. He's done practically nothing but lodge votes with poor or no reasoning and tear down the efforts of people scumhunting. Lurking/sniping/counterproductivity.
UNVOTE: C-Worl (The case against him's gotten stale anyway)
VOTE: Parama

Welcome to my large game meta, Pine. I suggest you dealwithitdog.jpg.

Bad meta defense. Why is this your large game meta? If people complain about lack of content from you, saying deal with it doesn't seem like a pro-town attitude.


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[Friend]

Silver, you know I answered that question, right?

[Pine]

Speed lynches aren't anti-town. If everyone agrees someone is scum they should lynch them. Waiting around and complaining about a lack of discussion isn't solving anything.

Arright, fine. If you insist.
UNVOTE: Parama
VOTE: Friend

[Friend]

The OMGUS, it burns!

[Pine]

What OMGUS? I don't know that you ever voted for me, and you certainly weren't just there. I'm voting for you because of the elaborate and well-established case against you. I just wanted to use the extra time granted to us to hunt your scumbuddies, like Parama. But sure, if you insist on falling on your sword sooner rather than later, fine.

[silverbullet999]

Silver, you know I answered that question, right?

Point out where please.

[diddin]

Speed lynches aren't anti-town. If everyone agrees someone is scum they should lynch them. Waiting around and complaining about a lack of discussion isn't solving anything.

Arright, fine. If you insist.
UNVOTE: Parama
VOTE: Friend

You really sure this guy is town Calcifer? Changing to a big wagon after being told speed-lynches are not anti-town?

[Pine]

So I'm scum when I want to pursue other options, and scum when I finally cave and agree with the group? Circular logic is circular, with the foreordained conclusion of a pointed finger. Anything to divert attention from a scummate, yeah?

[Wraith]

So I'm scum when I want to pursue other options, and scum when I finally cave and agree with the group? Circular logic is circular, with the foreordained conclusion of a pointed finger. Anything to divert attention from a scummate, yeah?

To many people, that can come off as "I don't want to lynch my scumbuddy, let's try to shift suspicion to someone else" followed by "I can't get him off, let's throw him under the bus and try to get towncred"

[Empking]

"To many people"?

[Pine]

I see where you're coming from, I suppose, but that isn't the case here.

So, are people willing to pursue other options, with Friend as our backup in the case others don't present themselves? Or are you all committed to finishing Friend off now?

[silverbullet999]

I'm committed unless friend points out where he actually answered my question

ib baseless friend-pushing claims again.

[Calcifer]

I took offense to being called a bad player. It looked like IcyCupcake was just trying to smear me.

Why did you back down, then?
Is this all you have to say in defense?

Diddin's not a bad player, he's just naturally scummy, like me. So far his play seems similar to that in Simpsons Mafia, where we both believed the other was scum for a long time.

I don't seem to recall him backing down so easily in Simpsons. He also was a lot more lenient with his vote.
And now that I've pointed out the differences, can you point out the similarities?

Friend is the way to go day 1 people......

No, silver.

What's the Diddin case? There's a sudden wash of Diddin suspicion, and I'm not quite sure why.

I posted it last page. Do you really need a link?

(and yes, it's still a valid point even if it may be hypocritical)

And why is this?

[Wraith]

@Calcifer: He's bring confrontational and stubborn. That's consistency to me.

[C-Worl]

1: Friend's case at this point has been clearly stated by multiple people. Mentioning it at this point would basically look like copy/posting everyone else's reasons.

2: The vote on GreyICE was so you people would ask me why because for some reason asking reasons from Calcifer is taboo.

@Calcifer, stop avoiding the questions. I've already said multiple times that

I DO NOT CARE HOW LONG YOUR EXPLANATIONS ARE!

Sorry I've been gone for two days I was trashed (and then stoned)

Also, I don't really know who my vote is on so,

Vote: Friend

Even if he were town it wouldn't really be a loss at this point since he's not contributing at all. However, I highly doubt he's town.

@Friend, if someone keeps asking a question why don't you just answer it again instead of posting "You know I answered that right?"

PEDit: I agree with Wraith

[Calcifer]

The huge and long reasoning is mostly from Mastin, so I'll let him post those.
If there's any specific questions you'd like to direct at me, I'll be online for a little while, so.

[C-Worl]

*Sigh*

Do you know why the reads on some people were changed from scum at the very beginning to town?

[TwoHeadedBoy]

I'm actually asking why you gave that as a read, but had no other reads.

That's all I had to comment on at the time.

I was asking why your vote was on Pine. You mentioned him multiple times, but never mentioned any suspicions of him before that post. And you did not give reasons in that post either.

Like I said in my very first post, his rambling gave me scummy vibes. His posts haven't given me a town vibe at any point in this game, so I've left my vote.


Pine's sudden caving-in and voting of Friend seems unsettling, mostly because of what Wraith said in 389.

~Pie

P.S. - I just realized when I looked through my ISO, I said Fugitive was in Maine. I meant Massachusetts. Same difference. :P (still dunno where he is right now though)

[diddin]

I see where you're coming from, I suppose, but that isn't the case here.

So, are people willing to pursue other options, with Friend as our backup in the case others don't present themselves? Or are you all committed to finishing Friend off now?

The point is, you're being told "X IS NOT ANTI-TOWN" and then immediately do a 180 and do X. Makes it look like you're trying hard to be town.

@Calc: I wasn't really expressing suspicion on Icy with the initial point, I was just angry. The attempted smear is slightly scummy but not really damning.