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Jora Mafia Scum
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TTTT = 2 Goons + Godfather,cjdrum wrote:No, I know nothing.
How else would a Mafia Goon die, though? With your proposed TTTTCVB, there'll only be one Vig.Serial Killer(Doc Bypass, Block Bypass, Kill Immune)
I frankly hope Mod created this game without your Pyton script.Beor be dead. ☭REDJora is obv VT, if not, she is a Cop. Simple.-
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Jora Mafia Scum
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cjdrum Goon
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DeathRowKitty sheFrogshe
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No. No no no no no no no no no. No.}|{opa wrote:
No, I'm not. May be you.DRK wrote:
Do you see nothing remotely worth voting for?
It is scummy to make a quick case on someone as soon as get two RVS votes himself, isn't it?
I'm not quiting RVS, just keeping an eye on you and not unvoting. I'd rather continue with RQS for now.
Q: How much should we rely on setup speculation?
A: A lot! I always loved it.
Q: How do you think the events of N0 played out?
A: I've already posted my thoughts on the night actions and a setup. Imo we have a variant with TTTTCVB. andrew94 was a Mafia Goon and he has been killed by a SK.
@cjdrum:
N0 shot is very bad and anti-town play for a Vig. What makes you think Romanus did it? Did you know something interesting about Romanus?cjdrum wrote: And, how lucky is it (for the Mafia) that they got the Vig, and for us that the Vig got his kill in (on a Mafioso), too! The irony.
There are so many thing wrong with that post it should be nuked now and never allowed to see daylight. No. Just no.
Did I mentioned yet NO?
I'm going to try to list out everything wrong with this post. Even being a cat, I'm not sure I'll have enough time in all 9 of my lives. To be honest though, I think reading this might have gotten rid of 8 of them.
- You're saying it's scummy to make a case in the RVS. How do youexpect us to get out of RVS? Should we sit around and hope something happens?
- The number of votes a player has on him or herself has no effect on whether or not that player should be making a case. If I see something worth going after, I don't care if I have no votes on me or if I'm at L-1. How could it possiblyhurt to point things out?
- I have twovotes on me. It takes 6 to lynch. Evenif making a case was illegal with a large number of votes on oneself, two votes is practically nothing.
- Let's pretend for a moment that the last two points don't exist. Let's pretend that only players with absolutely no votes on themselves are allowed to scumhunt. Do two RVS votes actually count for anything? What if I were to vote you now? Would you not be allowed to make a case? You'd have a random vote on you!
- If you're looking to use the RQS to generate information, why continue with the RVS? If you're already looking to generate discussion, random votes should be useless to you.
- Have you actually seen the RQS so far from this game? RQS very rarely accomplishes anything at all and it's been even less productive than usual by a large margin. Wanting to continue it is completely absurd.
- Your questions give us nothing to look at in terms of scumhunting. At all. Period. I don't know what you could possibly think we'd get out of them.
- Your answer to your first question is also completely absurd on day 1. We know that there's a dead vig and that there's a non-mafia killing role. There's nothing to speculate on.
- For your answer to your second question, there is no way in hell we should be discussing which power roles we think exist. That's just the easiest way for players to accidentally give away their roles based on what they think is in the setup.
- And how the hell did you decide that particular setup exists? Did you just pull random letters out of your ass and try to pretend it meant anything or would be even remotely useful to consider?
- Night 0 shot is NOT very bad play for a vig. With 13p start, one could argue it is, but as long as the vig takes another shot, we trade one mislynch for two town-directed kills. No reason vig couldn't have shot night 0.
- You're so intent on there being an sk. You know who would think about that? THE SK.
- Your entire post is theory, with the first line being the only game-relevant one. See also: scum trying to appear useful while doing nothing.
Unvote: Sundy
Vote: }{opa
That is. You're now not allowed to make cases, right? Or does that only apply to players with at least 2 fully random votes on them and not players with real votes on them?-
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DeathRowKitty sheFrogshe
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DRK, ABR in MD has a point, let the game breathe.
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farside22 Mafia Mum
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DRK: your scaring me. I recall our last game together and you were not this verbal. I'm frightened as hell.
And I have some town reads thanks to this chatter and my first scum suspect.
}|{opa wrote:N0 shot is very bad and anti-town play for a Vig. What makes you think Romanus did it? Did you know something interesting about Romanus?unvote
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That is some blatant role fishy I see there in front of me. Yes sir, let ask her straight out if she is the watcher so }|{opa and mafia can kill her.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Jora Mafia Scum
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Oi! 14 items.
@DeathRowKitty. Am I so bad or you still trying to make a cases out of nowhere?
I just wanted to say you make things too quick like it something hurt your arse.
And those questions isn't mine. It's ToastyToast asking.
@yabbaguy. What is the "ABR in MD"? Is it some kind of Albert B. Rampage's favourite tactics? What does it mean?
Where is rolefishing? If it is some kind of fishing it is meta-info fishing. But it's not. I'm just pointed on an ambiguity in cjdrum's conclusion. And cjdrum is a boy, right?farside22 wrote: That is some blatant role fishy I see thereBeor be dead. ☭REDJora is obv VT, if not, she is a Cop. Simple.-
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farside22 Mafia Mum
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You asked HIM if he knew something. How is that not role fishing exactly?}|{opa wrote:
Where is rolefishing? If it is some kind of fishing it is meta-info fishing. But it's not. I'm just pointed on an ambiguity in cjdrum's conclusion. And cjdrum is a boy, right?farside22 wrote: That is some blatant role fishy I see there
Sorry I saw the avatar and thought cjdrum was female.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Jora Mafia Scum
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farside22 Mafia Mum
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farside22 Mafia Mum
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1) a mafia is dead. you point about vig kill early is total blow in your face if this was a vig kill}|{opa wrote:Well, my first thought was that Romanus is famous for his bad play at being a Vig. And, DRK, you totally not right here - Vig should never kill so early. It's very bad if he did.
2) We don't know if there is a SK but if their is a SK in the game that shot andrew I would like to shake their hand for a good shot and for getting rid of someone who doesn't really scum hunt well.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Jora Mafia Scum
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So you think that I am a SK. And...so }|{opa and mafia can kill her
I suppose it's time for me to say thank you! But, I'm not a SK, I swear!2) We don't know if there is a SK but if their is a SK in the game that shot andrew I would like to shake their hand for a good shot and for getting rid of someone who doesn't really scum hunt well.Beor be dead. ☭REDJora is obv VT, if not, she is a Cop. Simple.-
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Sundy Goon
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Hmmm. I just never saw a game where someone died before it even started, much less two. Seems kind of pointless for those people to even have signed up. As for being "nervous," Kitty, you outright apologized in advance for making a joke about the NK lest someone misinterpret you.
Random questions:
Setup speculation: I generated a couple random set-ups myself to get a handle on the open set-up. I think it is useful, but moreso towards the end of the game. With Opa already guessing it's the TTTTCVB set-up, speculation can easily slide into PR speculation.
Events of N0: It basically panned out as if we already had one day of play with gains for town & scum, with a successful lynch and Mafia picking a powerful NK. Except without the discussion to pick up connections. I'd rather it start with talking than night actions.
Farside: Why did you say you were "frightened as hell" by Kitty, and then follow her case? What scared you about her posts?
Kitty: You said 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 13, 14 were scummy examples. 5, 6, 7 and especially 14 apply to Toast, the person who asked the RQS. Do you still think Opa is scummy knowing that?Town: 7-4
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ToastyToast Mafia Scum
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Actually, RQS is helpful because you get reactions. I use it to reactionfish. And, yeah, they are my questions, so you should be voting me.DRK wrote:Have you actually seen the RQS so far from this game? RQS very rarely accomplishes anything at all and it's been even less productive than usual by a large margin. Wanting to continue it is completely absurd.
Your questions give us nothing to look at in terms of scumhunting. At all. Period. I don't know what you could possibly think we'd get out of them.
Given that your vote is based on both the questions themselves and }|{opa's response, I would venture to say that it is helpful."A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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farside22 Mafia Mum
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Last game that is over I read DRK as scum. He didn't attack as much and didn't give a town vibe, therefore suspect day 1. This game complete opposite. I always feel frightened by seeing a total different attitude in another game. This read is complete town. I question it in the back of my head but file it away for a note for later if necessary.Sunday wrote:Farside: Why did you say you were "frightened as hell" by Kitty, and then follow her case? What scared you about her posts?
And finally I didn't "follow" kitty's line of logic. I saw someone who looks for all purposes of role fishing and I still don't feel satisfied by his response.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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DeathRowKitty sheFrogshe
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Didn't notice TT had asked those questions. I would venture to say the questions themselves are not scummy in the context in which he asked them (someone telling him to come up with questions and him just kind of blindly throwing them out there).
All of my points except 7 and 14 still stand on }|{opa, so not moving my vote.
Are you going to address it or just hope to discredit me so everyone will ignore what i said?}|{ wrote:@DeathRowKitty. Am I so bad or you still trying to make a cases out of nowhere?
I just wanted to say you make things too quick like it something hurt your arse.
Huh?}|{ wrote:Proverbs 28:1 The wicked flee when no one pursues.
@DeathRowKitty
Well, if all that is as you said and those two votes did not hurt you then you a scum even more.
You may continue to believe this if you wish. I see no reason to argue theory with someone unwilling to actually consider whether or not his opinions are wrong. I gave reasons. You just repeated what you said with no reason.}|{ wrote:Well, my first thought was that Romanus is famous for his bad play at being a Vig. And, DRK, you totally not right here - Vig should never kill so early. It's very bad if he did.
Gosh, is everyone I attack this game going to try to defend by attacking me back? I expected to get voted as a joke for the end part of my post. If I was nervous, why draw extra attention like that?Sundy wrote:As for being "nervous," Kitty, you outright apologized in advance for making a joke about the NK lest someone misinterpret you.
I can lurk if it would make you feel more comfortable...farside wrote:DRK: your scaring me. I recall our last game together and you were not this verbal. I'm frightened as hell.
Fixed quote tag. ~~NSLast edited by Nobody Special on Sat Mar 26, 2011 10:24 am, edited 1 time in total.-
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@}|{: Don't limit yourself to an SK already. I've been in c9 games where the vig did shoot N0, and it paid off. A similar thing could have happened in this N0.
SK's are in c9 50% of the time, but the fact that a vig died N0 tells us nothing about the presence of an SK"A train robbery is where you take a train to your destination, make your move, and take a train back, right?"-Isaac
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