Open 295 -- Island Paradise Mafia -- Game Over

[Jora]

Are you going to address it or just hope to discredit me so everyone will ignore what i said?

I found significantly nothing to addres on this matter. Your magic 14 is crap and I wish you understand it by yourself.

I see no reason to argue theory with someone unwilling to actually consider whether or not his opinions are wrong. I gave reasons. You just repeated what you said with no reason.

Wait a second. Am I not willing to consider an opinion? No. I'm eager to discuss wheter or not Vig should kill at a rough guess. Lets have a comparison.
Pluses:
1) it would be a town-controlled kill whithout any scum's speculative inference.
2) Vig would have a shot for sure.
Minuses:
1)Very likely he hit a town, not scum.
2)It can be -3 if SK is also involved or even -4 (!) if another Vig exists.
3)He may kill pro-town power role just as likely as an evil guy.
4)If he kill some person at N0 we would have less information than if he kill the same person lately.
5)He shots less accurate, because he has not much input to make a right choise.
Now, your turn. Show me please how the Vig's night zero shot could be good in this setup.

You don't even bothered to look at the RQS discussion in thread and ToastyToast's posts before you start walltexting poor ol' me. Just saying.
Why you rushed without even trying to re-read and think a little?

Gosh, is everyone I attack this game going to try to defend by attacking me back?

The question is why you attaking everyone so ferociously? If it usual for you to scumhunting like that?

I saw someone who looks for all purposes of role fishing and I still don't feel satisfied by his response.

@ farside22. You too. Now you see that I'm not rolefishing and there is no Wathers involved. What else should I do to make you feel satisfied?

It's too late now. ¡Buenas noches!

[farside22]

@}|{opa : Do you think DRK is scum? If so why?
Do you have a read on anyone this game so far? How do you view cj's response to your loaded question?

[ToastyToast]

Stop speculating about the setup -__-
If there are 2 kills tonight, we know there's an sk. Until then, it doesn't matter.

Mod, can you fix the first quote tag in my previous post, please?

>.<

No, we could have a one-shot vig too

[DeathRowKitty]

I found significantly nothing to addres on this matter. Your magic 14 is crap and I wish you understand it by yourself.

Clearly I don't understand. Explain it to me.

Re: vig killing night 0: Yes, it's more likely for vig to hit town than scum, but it's still an extra town-directed kill. In a setup with 12 players, if the vig gets off 3 kills, he's given us just one less mislynch to work with. As it is, if last night was a vig kill and there's no sk, even if he'd hit town, he'd have given us no less mislynches to work with from his first kill. Night 0 is a good time to get rid of players that are unlikely to be useful to the town anyway, which would seem to be what what happened.

As for the rest of your post, is there something wrong with going after someone "ferociously"?

And yes, I didn't look back at TT's questions. I remembered they were useless, but that's all I remembered about them and the wording of your post made it seem as though they were your questions.

@TT
That's possible too, but I wouldn't expect a one-shot vig to shoot night 1.

[ToastyToast]

It happened in my last C9, so I'm not closing it off. But, as you said earlier, i'm done with setup speculation.

[farside22]

so }|{opa and mafia can kill her

So you think that I am a SK. And...

Where did this quote come from and who? I don't see anywhere that I posted that comment but you acted like I did.

Yabba: why are you trying to stop DRK?

[yabbaguy]

Yabba: why are you trying to stop DRK?

Not mute him, just remind him that throwing in strings of posts in a rapid manner, even if they're contentful, just don't stack to being pro-Town.

Jora, ABR is Rampage, and I'm referencing this.

[Nobody Special]

Votecount 1.02

yabbaguy - 2 - animorpherv1, ToastyToast
}|{opa - 2 - DeathRowKitty, farside22
animorpherv1 - 1 - Sundy
cjdrum - 1 - havingfitz
DeathRowKitty - 1 - }|{opa
Sundy - 1 - startransmission

Not Voting: cjdrum, yabbaguy

With ten alive, it takes six to lynch.

Deadline: April 15.

V/LA: ...

[Jora]

@}|{opa : Do you think DRK is scum? If so why?
Do you have a read on anyone this game so far? How do you view cj's response to your loaded question?

Wait. No, I'm not yet.
The cj's response you mentioned is this:"Nevmind, then."? Then i view it positively.

Where did this quote come from and who? I don't see anywhere that I posted that comment but you acted like I did.

Because you did. Why are you so absent-minded? Please concentrate a little and stop posting in such a manner.
Btw, what do you feel about lynching all lurkers?

@yabbaguy Ta! What would you do if you were a Vig? Do you shoot at night zero and why?

Fixed tag. ~~NS

[Jora]

@ Mod: Do Godfather appears innocent to Cop?

[Jora]

Also,

@ Mod.

Does Godfather immune to being killed at night?

[farside22]

}|{opa: Ah you cut out a part so I got confused. I meant you and your partner.

yabba: Thoughts, views, oppinions any an all would be appriecated. Your too quiet.

}|{opa: even though I'm not the mod. All normal games the GF shows up innocent to the cop.

Mod:

Since this is an open game should we know what type of mafia andrew was, like goon, rb or GF?

[Nobody Special]

@ Mod: Do Godfather appears innocent to Cop?

Yes.

Also,

@ Mod.

Does Godfather immune to being killed at night?

The Godfather may be killed at Night.

Mod:

Since this is an open game should we know what type of mafia andrew was, like goon, rb or GF?

Per the

wiki:

Mafia and SK abilities are not revealed on death. They merely flip "Mafia" and "Serial Killer"

[Jora]

My top suspects are DeathRowKitty and startransmission.

I think DeathRowKitty is a mafia Godfather, since he so obvious target for a Cop. But really I don't know. I keep watching for more reads. IGMEOY, DeathRowKitty!
UNVOTE:
startransmission, havingfitz and Sundy does not collaborated much, and they had only two posts each.
But only startransmission's posts gots me frightened. This post so is full of lurky mean evil scummness!
He used obvious oportunity to make another emty post in response to TT's post at 5:16 am. 5:18 am he just said to ToastyToast "oh, oh!". 5:20 am - TT answered, but to late! startransmission is gone. Sometimes finding a lurking scum is all about timing. But really I don't think he is mafia. May be it's becouse of his creepy smiley avatar, but anyways, he's f* Seral Killa!

VOTE: startransmission

[yabbaguy]

I know that I don't know, farside. No thanks that I've made quite a few of these posts from an iPhone now, but Ive been burnt so many times in past games as well by trying to solve the puzzle way too many times.

Jora, why are you asking me about vigilante strategy?

[Jora]

@ yabbaguy. It's bad to ask a question in return, mmkay? But why not? I know that you've been playing this setup before and I want to know your opinion on that theme. Did you noticed that we are currently disscussing it with DRK? Or did you thought that it's only our business?
I see you are trying to avoid a flammable matters, aren't you? Yes. You call it "to let the game breathe".
No, no, no. If you wanna win this you should collaborate. Or I call you a Lurker and eat you!

[yabbaguy]

It's bad to ask a question in return, mmkay? But why not? I know that you've been playing this setup before and I want to know your opinion on that theme. Did you noticed that we are currently disscussing it with DRK? Or did you thought that it's only our business?
I see you are trying to avoid a flammable matters, aren't you? Yes. You call it "to let the game breathe".
No, no, no. If you wanna win this you should collaborate. Or I call you a Lurker and eat you!

If your question is rolefishing, I will question your questionable question. "It's bad to ask a question" just isn't right.

Nothing's happened other than fruitless setup speculation and the typically crappy RQS, so saying that I'm dodging "flammable matters" or lurking is wrong.

I'll ask again, why are you asking me that N0 vig question?

[ToastyToast]

@farside: so, you being frightened by the change from DRK's scumplay gives you a town-read? just clarifying because the word "frightened" suggests suspicion.

@}|{: If you think DRK is mafia Godfather, why aren't you voting for them? Does the single post by startransmission really outweight your accusation on DRK?
Also, wouldn't any mafia member be targeting a cop? Why does this make DRK mafia Godfather?

@DRK: response to }|{'s post?

@everyone else (excluding yabbaguy, I don't have anything to ask him): Why aren't you saying anything?

To get off my RVS, I'm voting for my #1 suspect

Unvote:Vote:}|{opa

[farside22]

TT: Frightened is when something scares you. It's noted that his game play is very different then another that just ended. How do you gather scummy from that word?
And yes I have a town read on DRK.
Why do you suspect }|{opa?

[ToastyToast]

I originally had a town read on him, but his last post gave terrible reasons for a vote. Also, it doesn't make sense to me why he would call DRK Mafia Godfather then not put a vote down. I, too, have a town-read on DRK and find his suspicions illogical. Also, I think }|{opa himself is trying to fish for the cop. Of course there is an alternative explanation but that would require a role claim that I do not want to hear.

[Sundy]

@farside, I read it as you being "frightened" by someone you had a town read on, which made you look weird. Btw what did Kitty turn out to be in the last game you played?

@ everyone else, I have to catch up tomorrow, I've been procrastinating this spring break so now my weekend = paper, reading two theses, and physics midterm.

[ToastyToast]

Sundy is correct, that is what I meant

[farside22]

@farside, I read it as you being "frightened" by someone you had a town read on, which made you look weird. Btw what did Kitty turn out to be in the last game you played?
.

Ah. Well I meant his play compared to our last game.
Example: Dude your logic scares me.

@TT: Do you have any thoughts on yaba?

*starts to scribble notes*

Lets see.......Sunday and havingfits need to respond more and share some insight.


town reads
hmmmm
okay good, good.

scum reads....
hmmm no change that's not good.

[ToastyToast]

He's null right now--more of an "active lurker"

[Sundy]

@farside, can you answer my question re: Kitty?