Bloodbath in Camden - Game Over!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Empking, if you read my posts, I've given my intent read on King. It's a town intent to question people who are on your wagon. I do not draw any conclusions about Toog's allignment from King's towniness.

[Empking]

Empking, if you read my posts, I've given my intent read on King. It's a town intent to question people who are on your wagon.

It wasn't King's wagon. (I'm not sure exactly what you mean but either way it wasn't King's wagon.)

[Toogeloo]

I would be inclined to go with either a Furculow or Exe wagon atm. I will not be voting for King1216. CooLDoG I am not as interested in simply because he is putting in more effort than the former two I mentioned.

[populartajo]

Pop

Furc: Its Furc but I agree with his vote. He's probably the scummiest on the King wagon.

so you think voting against someone because HE DOENST LIKE BANDWAGONS its good reasoning?

Exe: King is obvscum but Exe was the first to mention it. That looks like town to me.

How was Exe the first to mention it when he was the 6th on the wagon?

wow, you got a solid town read with one post. Are you really that good?

[Parama]

Day 1 Votecount #3

[7] KingTwelveSixteen

- Hiraki, Empking, CooLDoG, Slaxx, Furcolow, Exe, bobsnox

[2] Toogeloo

- Shattered Viewpoint, GreyICE

[2] CooLDoG

- KingTwelveSixteen, Lady Lambdadelta

[1] Hiraki

- Me=Weird

[1] Furcolow

- TheLonging

[1] Exe

- populartajo

[0] populartajo

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[0] Empking

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[0] Shattered Viewpoint

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[0] GreyICE

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[0] bobsnox

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[0] CJMiller

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[0] Me=Weird

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[0] Lady Lambdadelta

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[0] TheLonging

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[0] Slaxx

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Not voting: CJMiller, Toogeloo

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline for Day 1 is 4/11/11 at 10 PM CST.

[GreyICE]

Grey-kun, why don't you go an properly read what I have posted, and see if you can determine what I think about the King wagon?

I mean, if you had even read my posts, you'd know what my opinion is.

Because I don't like it, dammit.

You seem to give him a pass as terribad town, and then never examine it again. It's ridiculous. I am definitely not getting a fuzzy town read I want.

What says terribad town? The way he moves from "OMGUS" to "Easy target 1?" Or the way that he defends moving to CooLDoG by saying "If I wanted an easy target, why didn't I pick Furcolow instead?" Not by giving reasons he found CooLDoG the scummiest player... by suggesting if he wanted an easy target, he should have gone to Furcolow.

@EmpKing, LLD.

Okay, now that we're here, if there's a town wagon at L-2, there's scum votes on it. Period. Who are they?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Empking, if you read my posts, I've given my intent read on King. It's a town intent to question people who are on your wagon.

It wasn't King's wagon. (I'm not sure exactly what you mean but either way it wasn't King's wagon.)

That's my whole point. He was questioning the people who were on the Toog wagon with him, which is a town tell.

(Oh, wait, I see. I meant the Toog wagon that King started, not the wagon ON king.)

[GreyICE]

I would be inclined to go with either a Furculow or Exe wagon atm. I will not be voting for King1216. CooLDoG I am not as interested in simply because he is putting in more effort than the former two I mentioned.

Huh. I'll agree that those two aren't putting in any effort. Toog, is it your general policy that day 1 lynches should be on lurkers/people generally not trying?

[populartajo]

guys too much talking, lets get another wagon right now, lets vote furcolow

[Empking]

LLD: I feel that King tried to break up the Toogeloo wagon. That was his intent.
King did break up the Toogeloo wagon. Surely thast's pretty good proof for his intent being to break up the Toogeloo wagon.

so you think voting against someone because HE DOENST LIKE BANDWAGONS its good reasoning?

I think that voting against someone because HE DOENST LIKE BANDWAGONS ON HIS SCUMBUDDIES is good reasoning. And I think that was the implied reason.

How was Exe the first to mention it when he was the 6th on the wagon?

Because it was Page One. As much as Grey would like to paint otherwise I don't think there's normally obv-scum on page one.

wow, you got a solid town read with one post. Are you really that good?

Don't misrepresent what I said.

Grey; I don't I agree with your presupposition but Cool and Furc.

[populartajo]

unvote vote: furcolow.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Grey-kun: The scum on the wagon can be found in Furcolow, Exe, CoolDog, Bobsnox (and I get a weird feeling about Emp, but I'll take your word for it on the meta GI).

CoolDog is #1, followed by Exe/Furcolow at #2.

P-Edit: Ok, I see what you are thinking Emp. I respectfully disagree, but at least I have a more town read on you now that I see your intent.

[Toogeloo]

Not my general policy, but if you consider activity an important factor, it does help to get rid of the bad inactives than the bad actives on Day 1. Bad actives tend to draw more attention from scanners, and they tend to eventually shoot themselves in the foot if they are scum because they talk so much.

I do think it's pretty terrible though that a majority of King's lynchers have very little involvement in the game thus far.

[Toogeloo]

^@GreyICE

you guys are talking too fast all of a sudden lol.

[bobsnox]

Yes, because scumbuddies would be that obvious?

They can be, yes.

Frankly, they aren't buddies because King is town, and his questioning of other peoples votes has town intent behind it, and is something scum would never do (because they would be wagoned for it, as evidenced by this wagon).

This is an equally bad argument. WIFOM, question begging, etc.

Anyone else of the opinion LLD might be scum covering for someone she knows is town to gain towncred? She seems very adamant we're all wrong about King. Too adamant.

[Empking]

Yes, because scumbuddies would be that obvious?

They can be, yes.

Frankly, they aren't buddies because King is town, and his questioning of other peoples votes has town intent behind it, and is something scum would never do (because they would be wagoned for it, as evidenced by this wagon).

This is an equally bad argument. WIFOM, question begging, etc.

Anyone else of the opinion LLD might be scum covering for someone she knows is town to gain towncred? She seems very adamant we're all wrong about King. Too adamant.

Its a bad and scummy defence but I'm not convinced it isn't scum defending scum for WIFOM cred.

[Hiraki]

Popular. You realize that Exe and I had the same exact reasoning for our votes on King, correct?

Why is he scum?

this is also fail. why a scum would be scared of votes against another player?

Because, like I've said, this is a really nice way to say, "LOL THESE GUYS ARE FALLING INTO MY TRAP TO GET THEM, BECAUSE I LIKE OPPORUNITY. YAH YAH."

So, why's Furclow scum?

what is this i dont even
voting against someone because he doesnt like bandwagons?

...

You realize this was Page 1.

P.E.2

you guys are talking too fast all of a sudden lol.

Oh yeah.

And at the beginning of the game.

People vote.

Because.

...of pressure?

FFS. You act like he's calling him outright scum, this basically is the case with all of your horrible reads tajo.

bad first post as scum, brings unnecessary attention. (as it did)

Ehhh. Nah. The next to are subjective because you believe King is town. I like Tajo town now.

Can't identify TL at the moment. I don't get why you all had to outright push him as scum.

Nobody has given any reason why my actual votes arn't perfectly fine. You are just saying that because some people were pushing me at the time that I voted my voting is scummy by default. That is ludicrous.

Yes we have, so please, if you do mind, take your head out of your ass.

P.E.

FFS. YOU FUCKERS. 11 POSTS WHILE I WAS GONE? YOU FLYING--

LLD, lay off EmpKing. He's annoying, but he's obvtown.

Which probably means at least 50% of his reads are wrong

Agreed, but not sure about the last part. I haven't seen Empking in action, so I will make that opinion.

Is that or is that not a quote from you. Why are you trying to move the goalposts? Also, does your defence of King just a painted up version "He's town because I think he's town"? If so, why did you paint it up?

Oh see? Valid points right here.

Frankly, they aren't buddies because King is town, and his questioning of other peoples votes has town intent behind it, and is something scum would never do (because they would be wagoned for it, as evidenced by this wagon).

So you mean diverting attention isn't a scumtell? Hmmzorz.

Further, it's an easy wagon as I explained earlier, because players will jump on anyone who questions RVS, completely ignoring any kind of intent. It already has 7 votes on it, and there is a lot of opportunistic scum on it looking for the easiest lynch.

HA. OPPORUNTISTIC SCUM. I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING THE WRONG WAY.

Also, if that's the case and while I don't advocate test lynches, wouldn't this be an amazing lynch just because, if by chance King is town, that the scum on the wagon would be pretty obvious?

Reminder, I need to take a peek at CoolDog.

On the third point, nice deflection.

YOU ARE ANNOYING ME LADY.

Empking, if you read my posts, I've given my intent read on King. It's a town intent to question people who are on your wagon. I do not draw any conclusions about Toog's allignment from King's towniness.

It's more null then anything.

guys too much talking, lets get another wagon right now, lets vote furcolow

Town read just shot down.

unvote vote: furcolow.

I really want to assume that was a mistake that you forgot to put it in.

[bobsnox]

Yes, because scumbuddies would be that obvious?

They can be, yes.

Frankly, they aren't buddies because King is town, and his questioning of other peoples votes has town intent behind it, and is something scum would never do (because they would be wagoned for it, as evidenced by this wagon).

This is an equally bad argument. WIFOM, question begging, etc.

Anyone else of the opinion LLD might be scum covering for someone she knows is town to gain towncred? She seems very adamant we're all wrong about King. Too adamant.

Its a bad and scummy defence but I'm not convinced it isn't scum defending scum for WIFOM cred.

Can you reword that without a double negative? Just want to make sure I understand.

[populartajo]

Hiraki, what was your reason to vote king?

Okay, now that we're here, if there's a town wagon at L-2, there's scum votes on it. Period. Who are they?

hiraki, plz answer this quesiton.

[Empking]

Yes, because scumbuddies would be that obvious?

They can be, yes.

Frankly, they aren't buddies because King is town, and his questioning of other peoples votes has town intent behind it, and is something scum would never do (because they would be wagoned for it, as evidenced by this wagon).

This is an equally bad argument. WIFOM, question begging, etc.

Anyone else of the opinion LLD might be scum covering for someone she knows is town to gain towncred? She seems very adamant we're all wrong about King. Too adamant.

Its a bad and scummy defence but I'm not convinced it isn't scum defending scum for WIFOM cred.

Can you reword that without a double negative? Just want to make sure I understand.

Doubler negatives are a myth created by the middle classes to keep the working class down!
But: LLD might be scum defending scum for WIFOM cred.

[populartajo]

emp, who is the scum in king0s wagon?

[Hiraki]

Hiraki, what was your reason to vote king?

Okay, now that we're here, if there's a town wagon at L-2, there's scum votes on it. Period. Who are they?

hiraki, plz answer this quesiton.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 4#p2948364

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 3#p2948423

Not really sure, if I had to take a blank guess, CooLDog and bobsnox. I'll look into it though.

[Empking]

Pop:

Grey; I don't I agree with your presupposition but Cool and Furc.

[GreyICE]

Not my general policy, but if you consider activity an important factor, it does help to get rid of the bad inactives than the bad actives on Day 1. Bad actives tend to draw more attention from scanners, and they tend to eventually shoot themselves in the foot if they are scum because they talk so much.

I do think it's pretty terrible though that a majority of King's lynchers have very little involvement in the game thus far.

That's a fair enough position. I've often said when it comes down to a vote, I'll vote for a somewhat scummy lurker over a somewhat scummy active player - you'll always get reads on the active player later, the lurker will lurk.

Unvote

Vote: Furcolow

BANDWAGON HO!

[populartajo]

Hiraki, what was your reason to vote king?

Okay, now that we're here, if there's a town wagon at L-2, there's scum votes on it. Period. Who are they?

hiraki, plz answer this quesiton.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 4#p2948364

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 3#p2948423

Not really sure, if I had to take a blank guess, CooLDog and bobsnox. I'll look into it though.

im trying to understand your irnoy in your reasons but failing in the attempt, can you concies you reasons to think king is scum in one pargraph?
ps, why not furc?