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[chesskid3]

no you don't

[chesskid3]

chesskid goes before lylo but not today yawn :teach:

[Magua]

But today is before lylo!

[chesskid3]

but not the day before lylo

thanks for playing

[Magua]

You didn't say the day before lylo.

Also, looking over things, I'm recanting my gorilla-is-town-based-on-VCA. I think gorilla is more likely scum than tarsonis off of sheer gut and the way gorilla always seems to be on the wagon of the weakest players.

Lynch preference:

chesskid3
gorilla
tarsonis
C-worl

[DemonHybrid]

You want to lynch chesskid, first post claimed miller with a cop?

[DemonHybrid]

Tarson and then a gorilla lynch. It'll be okay.

Though I question why I shouldn't investigate diddin when gorilla is being lynched the next day anyway. diddin could very well be mafia with a WIFOMable ability.

[Magua]

You want to lynch chesskid, first post claimed miller with a cop?

Did I miss the point where "I'm miller" transformed into "I'm clear"?

Though I question why I shouldn't investigate diddin when gorilla is being lynched the next day anyway. diddin could very well be mafia with a WIFOMable ability.

Because if you live, and you give an inno on gorilla or tarsonis (and I'm approaching 98% certainty that they are not mafia partners), whichever is still alive, then that changes what we're going to do, now doesn't it? Whereas if you get an inno on diddin, then we're all like, "Herpaderp".

I mean, goddamn. Here's what I'm not getting about your POV: You're all "diddin could be a *scum* 1-shot reviver, I need to check!", but on the other hand, you're all "chesskid claimed miller, so he must be town".

[Regfan]

Yes, Chesskid isn't clear but I still have a minor-town read on him and I still want Gorilla or Tarson to get rope today. Also, I don't think the cop-check is going to matter too much given the mslynches and small suspect pool we have.

Just waiting on Pine and Diddin to post their thoughts and then I'm content to end the day.

[Magua]

VOTE: Gorilla

[DemonHybrid]

I mean, goddamn. Here's what I'm not getting about your POV: You're all "diddin could be a *scum* 1-shot reviver, I need to check!", but on the other hand, you're all "chesskid claimed miller, so he must be town".

Because that's some pretty solid psychic work from chesskid just guessing that there would be a cop in this setup. I've never seen scum have the balls to fake a miller in their first post and it just gels together real nicely. Look at it through my eyes; I'm a freakin cop.

Also, I assume that you're going to leave diddin until later, when it gets dangerously close to LyLo. If we're lynching gorilla and tarson along the way, then why not get the more dangerous person clear? I'm thinking for the future; don't think for the present.

If the LyLo ends up Regfan/Magua-diddin-Chesskid, then that's a big problem. If it's Regfan-Magua-Chesskid, then sure, lynch Chesskid and I'll praise Chess and ask him to become a fortune teller.

Can't you see that I want MyLo/LyLo to be way less dangerous than it is already?

Anyway, come to the tarson wagon if gorilla is who you're going to kill along the way. The investigate wont matter if it's on gorilla; it WILL if it's on diddin. We already know that we're going to get a guilty from chesskid so there's pretty much only one good choice in the matter here.

[DemonHybrid]

Also, I'm not even going to bother even processing a godfather at the moment, so save that for later.

So we have:

Chesskid3 (claimed miller)
Gorilla (claimed VT)
Magua (investigated town)
Diddin (claimed vanilla reviver)
DH (cop)
Regfan (investigated town)
C-Worl (investigated town)
Tarson (claimed VT)
Pine (confirmed VT)

Assume 4 scum. Lets go through worst case scenarios. We lynch tarson and she turns up town. I die.

That brings it to

Chesskid3 (claimed miller)
Gorilla (claimed VT)
Magua (investigated town)
Diddin (claimed vanilla reviver)
Regfan (investigated town)
C-Worl (investigated town)
Pine (confirmed VT)

Assume a godfather from the 3 investigated town at this point. One scum in: Magua, Regfan, C-Worl. One scum in: diddin, Gorilla, chesskid. Pine is confirmed town. Would be a shit move to design an alignment changing revived role.

So lets assume we lynch gorilla. He turns up town. Pine dies.

Chesskid3 (claimed miller)
Magua (investigated town)
Diddin (claimed vanilla reviver)
Regfan (investigated town)
C-Worl (investigated town)

You have a 50% or 100% chance lynching from diddin or Chesskid. You have a 33% chance lynching from the other 3 if the former is 50%.

diddin should then die. Lets assume he flips scum.

Lets pick from random from the 3. Magua dies and flips VT.

Chesskid3 (claimed miller)
Regfan (investigated town)
C-Worl (investigated town)

I would assume godfather from this. This is only IF gorilla AND tarson turn up town. Otherwise, you're going to hit scum along the way.

I've effectively done my job in an outcome like this and you guys just need to stay on track.

[DemonHybrid]

With Chesskid, I'd just be absolutely shocked if he bitchslapped us with a fake miller claim. It's just really tough to believe that it's faked. However, I highly doubt that it'll get to that specific 3 person LyLo. So that's WORST case scenario.

If we can rule out:

-Two godfathers
-Shitty Alignment-Changing Reviver

Then that's the worst case scenario here. At that point, you have to decide whether chess stole the DeLorean and traveled a year in the future to read this thread (basically, he's brilliant) or whether there's a Godfather, and who the likely son-of-a-bitch is. But there are good odds that this will not be the case.

[DemonHybrid]

See, when things are neatly organized and put into pretty little mathematical piles, things don't really look that bad. Cheers.

[tarsonisocelot]

I know I'm town.
I'll do a VCA shortly. I'm not surprised that I look suspicious given I've played fairly terribly this game, but I think that with two scum flipped, their voting patterns should be useful.

As Magua pointed out, there was a count on D2 where EPM, gorilla and nintendo were alone together on my wagon - two of those are confirmed scum. If gorilla is scum, then I'm pretty much confirmed town - because however rarely three scum line up to vote like that I'm guessing it's still more common that three scum lining up like that on a scum wagon. If he flips town, then I'm going to my wild speculation unless someone can give me a better explanation.

Warning! Wild speculation ahead: Could a regular goon claim to be a miller in a set-up with a godfather to distract people from looking for them?

VOTE: Gorilla

[DemonHybrid]

...possibly.

[DemonHybrid]

Unvote

[Magua]

Scum claiming miller: These are all from page 1 of google for "site:mafiascum.net scum claim miller"

Go Play in Traffic!
Post #5: Animorpherv1 (scum) claims miller.

Mafia 96: Murder in Emerald City
Post #12: Kublai Khan (scum) claims miller

Mini 753: Really Deep South
In the archives, so no post #s, but Albert B. Rampage (scum) claims miller in his second post.

The reason I want you to investigate whichever of tarsonis/gorilla is alive is because our game plan will change if you get an inno. And, hey, if you get a guilty like you pretty much have to expect that you will, and we lynch that person and they flip mafia, I'll shut up about a DemonHybrid+chesskid scumteam. Isn't that worth something?

[DemonHybrid]

Emerald City had a godfather.

Vote: Chesskid

[DemonHybrid]

This should more or less confirm the existence of a godfather, which would help us out MASSIVELY. Like a great fucking deal.

If diddin is town, this makes more sense.

[chesskid3]

Unvote

Vote: Chesskid

[DemonHybrid]

No way.

Seriously?! Get the fuck out of here.

[DemonHybrid]

Everyone should be behind this lynch. There is literally no excuse to not be.

Chesskid, you really are an awesome player if you happen to be scum.

[Magua]

This should more or less confirm the existence of a godfather, which would help us out MASSIVELY. Like a great fucking deal.

Er.

Er.

Not following.

I mean, I like the chesskid lynch. That part's fine. But how does chesskid flipping scum *or* miller confirm the existence of a godfather, and, perhaps more apropos, how does the confirmed existence of a godfather help us out massively?

[Regfan]

No. No. No.

We're lynching gorilla or Tarson. There's no need to deviate from the plan when we're already lined up scum.

Chesskid flipping miller changes nothing there'd still be a possible GF in the setup and we'd be done a msylnch