Dynasty Warriors Mafia (Shu Victorious)

[Amrun]

If we don't discuss it in thread, where can we discuss it? I don't know about you, bastard, but I'm not scum and I have nowhere to talk outside the thread.

[Juls]

I don't know about you, bastard, but I'm not scum and I have nowhere to talk outside the thread.

Pre-Vote:

Amrun

[elvis_knits]

Actually, NOBODY SHOULD DUEL ANYBODY UNLESS THE MAJORITY OF US AGREE TO IT.

No. SPYREX made this game and it was obviously meant to be played SPYREX style. The problem with the "majority of us" is that scum are in the majority, and can thus influence the decision.

I propose: if you are OBVTOWN, you are permitted to duel and/or order other people to duel. If you are NOT OBVTOWN, you are not permitted to start duels and/or order other people to duel. OBVTOWN people will form an alliance and work together to find scumz.

I'm not liking this at all. Who is coming up with the list of obvtown? You? You propose we give certain players license to duel and force others to duel and not others? No way. We rule by majority, like always in a mafia game. Yeah there are scum among us, but there always is. You trust some players more than others depending how scummy you see them. And you work with everyone in order to catch them doing scummy stuff. Like always.

I am an aggressive player and I love fast bold moves and games. I'm all in. But we have to think about what we're doing too. I have been in other games with similar mechanics that result in more than one player dead each day (like dynamite or something), and if you don't watch your arse you can lose a bunch of people in nothing flat and sometimes not have enough to go off in terms of getting other player's opinions. Then you're really in the hole, and scum are laughing. I'm not sure I want a double death on D1. I want to see a flip before committing to that amount of risk.

Whatever we do: I want every player to weigh in on who they want to duel and and why, if they want two dead or one, and who they want to lynch and why. We need that info to stack up over the days.

And no fucking way should any town player challenge anybody to a duel without a majority agreement. No fucking way. It is anti-town to act on something irreversible like deciding the duel for the town. We will get much more info if everyone decides together.

[Maxous]

I have found scum! So now I should convince the town and then duel that person to death, right?

The basic idea, yes.
I would ask that nobody rushes in and declares a duel early on however

If you've found two scum then convince the town an then we have the two people die in a duel against each other.

This is not going to work.

We decide together who our two top suspects are and force them to duel (and anybody who refuses to duel will be auto-lynched by the town via some townie who volunteers to duel them

And this is why...'self hammer or else we lynch you'. Rarely a good idea.


It will probably be a good idea to ask permission before you duel. And do not leave it until the last minute.
Oh and important : Have the person suspected claim before you declare a duel.
As for post 33 I would be of the opinion if somebody wants to duel and we trust them, let them do it. If nobody wants to duel then simply lynch.

[AlmasterGM]

Imagine the following: you and I are both confirmed town (by cop or something). We take a straw poll for who should duel and it comes out as follows:

Two obvscum players (5) - Obvtown, good scumhunter, good scumhunter, AlmasterGM, elvis_knits
Two people who we think are town, but for some reason these 7 people think are scum (7) - obvscum, obvscum, lurker, lurker, VI, null, null

My position: Fuck the straw poll, we're lynching the obvscum.
Your position: Welp, I disagree ... but I guess we'll go with the majority.

This example is clearly weighted to favor my side of the argument, but I think my point is clear - I'm valuing the opinions of certain people over others, and if it comes down to the wire, I'm not going to sit back and permit idiocracy. Scum and/or VIs should not have their votes weighted as strongly as obvtown and/or expert scumhunters. And don't give me this "well, we don't know who the obvtown are" - it's not that difficult to generally discern who is protown and who is not.

[ToastyToast]

And no fucking way should any town player challenge anybody to a duel without a majority agreement. No fucking way. It is anti-town to act on something irreversible like deciding the duel for the town. We will get much more info if everyone decides together.

I agree with this for the most part, but if there comes a situation where something is a 1v1 without a duel...well, they should probably just duel. Also, limiting the amount of duels will limit the amount of town power.

And hello to AGM, RayFrost, Amrun, iecrint, Dk, GreyICE, and CSL! looking forward to playing with ya'all again!

[SpyreX]

As the time of the Three Kingdoms came to a close, it was apparent to all that there would be one rule: that of Wei. With victory after victory and the main army returning home, a sense of revelry overtook the city of Luoyang.

Yet, this was not to be a long period of celebration. Soon, hundreds upon hundreds died from poisoning. Houses were ignited. People simply turned up missing. As the survivors pushed towards the palace screaming for some type of protection a single arrow hit the grand doors.

On it there was an excerpt from the great Sun Tzu in perfect calligraphy:

"

Generally, if you want to attack an army, besiege a walled city, assassinate individuals, you must know the identities of the defending generals, assistants, associates, gate guards, and officers.

"

In the most fleeting of moments, one and all realized what this meant: the enemy was within. Hidden. At this most frightening of realizations the populace at large panicked and hid, leaving only you, the strongest of Wei, to find and eliminate those that would oppose the great peace.

Day 1 Begins!

Deadline: Thursday June 2, 10:30 PM PST.

Additionally, you CAN send in conditional night actions (if I win this duel, then X, otherwise Y | If spyreX is Awesome then X, else Z)

[Gammagooey]

Oh cool day 1 start.

So we could totally have this talking about double lynch/powers/etc for a while but it's not going to be useful until later in the day.

Mostly because if I start a duel for a LIMITED TIME ONLY (read:today) it doesn't end the day.
So basically today is going to go either "lynch"->double lynch/single lynch with someone getting a cool dueling power. It could also theoretically be two double lynches or double to single but I would have to die and that would make me sad.

Aaaaaaanyway.

Vote:elvis_knits

[ToastyToast]

Vote:GreyICE

for lurking in the first few minutes

[Amrun]

I don't know about you, bastard, but I'm not scum and I have nowhere to talk outside the thread.

Pre-Vote:

Amrun

Okay, I admit the joke wasn't as funny as it sounded in my head.

[Katsuki]

Vote: Rayfrost

I'm already sad enough, I can't remember the last time I played a game without either Fate or Reck...

[Vi]

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Powering on...

AlmasterGM 43... Statistics detected. Slander alert.

Maxous 53... Fluff levels significant. Action desired.

Voting... Maxous

(L-10)

Gammagooey 57... Suggestion advisable.

System message... RayFrost is Town. Katsuki is advised to change her vote now.

System message... Total comprehension of game mechanic on elvis_knits' part not detected. Suspicion slightly raised.

Standing by. Awaiting idiot input regarding whether this is a real post restriction.

[GreyICE]

Vi is a cyborg samurai, cyborgs are obviously scum as shown in the documentary

Terminator

Vote: Vi

[elvis_knits]

We decide together who our two top suspects are and force them to duel (and anybody who refuses to duel will be auto-lynched by the town via some townie who volunteers to duel them

And this is why...'self hammer or else we lynch you'. Rarely a good idea.

Explain. I don't see your pov.

It will probably be a good idea to ask permission before you duel.

I hope you mean ask the town's permission and not the other person's.

Oh and important : Have the person suspected claim before you declare a duel.

Claim before dueling? I guess that's okay if the person in question has majority of suspicion. I just don't want someone being like "Hey Mister I want to duel you so you should claim."

I would be of the opinion if somebody wants to duel and we trust them, let them do it. If nobody wants to duel then simply lynch.

DISAGREE. I don't want lynching power in any one person's hands. We decide by committee because it's harder for scum to take control completely away. Also, I want everybody in on everything so we have voting patterns and things like that to look back on later. More info = better.

[AlmasterGM]

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Powering on...

AlmasterGM 43... Statistics detected. Slander alert.

Maxous 53... Fluff levels significant. Action desired.

Voting... Maxous

(L-10)

Gammagooey 57... Suggestion advisable.

System message... RayFrost is Town. Katsuki is advised to change her vote now.

System message... Total comprehension of game mechanic on elvis_knits' part not detected. Suspicion slightly raised.

Standing by. Awaiting idiot input regarding whether this is a real post restriction.

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Vote: elvis_knits.

Your theory of how to play the game is wrong and benefits scum.

[elvis_knits]

So far I see:

Scummiest:
Myko for wanting to charge in and duel
AlmasterG for convoluted reasoning why we should not let majority rule
Maxous for promoting the idea that if we "trust" someone we give them free reign to duel
Amrun 59 gives me slight scum twinge by saying he was calling bastard scum as a "joke"

It has been my experience that in games like this where there are strategies that CLEARLY benefit scum, and some people push these strategies, THEY ARE SCUM.

vote myko

[elvis_knits]

Your theory of how to play the game is wrong and benefits scum.

Actually, yours is!

[Gammagooey]

Wait does it really say remain CLAM? I can't believe I missed that.

And elvis is strawmanning like she owns a field full of corn.

[AlmasterGM]

AlmasterG for convoluted reasoning why we should not let majority rule

Actually, I havbe provided very clear justifications, and you have strawmanned it all and responded with irrelevant nonsense.

And elvis is strawmanning like she owns a field full of corn.

This. So much this.

[CSL]

Only idiots charge in headfirst...

Vote: mykonian

Yo, Toast.

[Magister Ludi]

Gamma, so your power means we could have two people duel it out to mutual death, and then lynch again?

[Gammagooey]

I have to start the duel for it to not end the day. So it's me vs. whoever in a duel, then no matter who wins the day continues and there can be a lynch or other people can duel.

[DeityKabuto]

Vote mykonian

Most probable wagon to join right now, not that serious though.

[Juls]

Confirm Vote:

Amrun

[ToastyToast]

Vote mykonian

Most probable wagon to join right now, not that serious though.

So...Your vote isn't random?