Dr Who - Game over

[Nexus]

It's not inherently scummy, but it's enough for me to not need to change my vote from where it is because a) it was originally an attempt to gain information from a counterwagon and b) the person who the vote is on has managed to ignore both the Zang wagon and the attempted counterwagon. Like, what I'm trying to say is it isn't scummy enough to warrant a vote should I not have a vote down, or have a vote elsewhere, but as I have a vote there now, I'm fine with it remaining until more information surfaces. Clearer? (Probably not, I'm confusing myself )

I was specifically talking about the Zang wagon and the attempted counterwagon. Surely one if not both of those things needs to be addressed?

[Hoppster]

It's not inherently scummy, but it's enough for me to not need to change my vote from where it is because a) it was originally an attempt to gain information from a counterwagon and b) the person who the vote is on has managed to ignore both the Zang wagon and the attempted counterwagon. Like, what I'm trying to say is it isn't scummy enough to warrant a vote should I not have a vote down, or have a vote elsewhere, but as I have a vote there now, I'm fine with it remaining until more information surfaces. Clearer? (Probably not, I'm confusing myself )

I was specifically talking about the Zang wagon and the attempted counterwagon. Surely one if not both of those things needs to be addressed?

1) Gotcha

2) You're referring solely to those people not on either of those two wagons, correct?

[Nexus]

Well, anyone in general, but yes, those who ignored both the five person wagon ridiculously quick, and then the attempted counterwagon.

I didn't join the Zang wagon because I wasn't comfortable putting a player at L-1 without him posting and within like 10 posts, and I saw the opportunity to get information by being a part of a different wagon.

Speaking of Zang, I hope he posts soon. I'd like to hear his reaction to a L-2 wagon so quick x]

[Hoppster]

I didn't join the Zang wagon because I wasn't comfortable putting a player at L-1 without him posting and within like 10 posts, and I saw the opportunity to get information by being a part of a different wagon.

What information do you think you have got now from the counter-wagon that you wouldn't have got by putting Zang at L-1?

Speaking of Zang, I hope he posts soon. I'd like to hear his reaction to a L-2 wagon so quick x]

If Zang doesn't post soon, would you consider putting him at L-1?

Do you think we would have had a less informative reaction from Zang had he been at L-1?

[Surye]

Interesting little exchange between Nexus and Hoppster. The FoS on pappums was odd to me, as I don't see not jumping on a wagon or counter wagon page 1 as scummy. I didn't explain this because I wanted to see how he reacted to a page 1 vote against him.

[Hoppster]

Interesting

In what way?

The FoS on pappums was odd to me

But not on you or Ant?

I didn't explain this because I wanted to see how he reacted to a page 1 vote against him.

How has he reacted? How did you expect him to react if you provided no reasoning - surely that could just be seen as a RVS vote (unless it was a RVS vote and I'm incorrect in thinking you voted CES because you thought "The FoS on pappums was odd")?

[Nexus]

Hoppster: Well, that the three who ignored them both have done so. I can understand not jumping on a L-2 wagon, but why ignore a counter wagon as well, particularly in RVS?

The risk with putting Zang at L-1 is someone could be overzealous and hammer him, and I'm not one for one page Day 1's. No offence.

[Tarhalindur]

FoS: Ant, Surye

???

Why "???" that but not this?

FoS: pappums rat

Because I didn't feel like quoting both FoS'es for a point (asking for the reason for the FoS'es) that was served by quoting only one.

Speaking of that: Nexus, why not let CES answer my question on his own?

I want to see Zang posts before I move off the L-2 wagon.

In other news: I'm of two minds about Hoppster, need to see more to judge. I want to see thoughts from bv310 pronto, and to a lesser extent CES.

PPE:

Interesting little exchange between Nexus and Hoppster. The FoS on pappums was odd to me, as I don't see not jumping on a wagon or counter wagon page 1 as scummy. I didn't explain this because I wanted to see how he reacted to a page 1 vote against him.

Since when is this townposting?

MFoS: Surye

[Hoppster]

Hoppster: Well, that the three who ignored them both have done so. I can understand not jumping on a L-2 wagon, but why ignore a counter wagon as well, particularly in RVS?

The risk with putting Zang at L-1 is someone could be overzealous and hammer him, and I'm not one for one page Day 1's. No offence.

1) Gotcha

2) Would you have put Zang at L-2 had he been at L-3?

MFoS: Surye

Does the M stand for Major or Minor (or some other word beginning with 'M')?

Now that Nexus has suggested the probable reason for CES's FoSes, what do you think of them (ie. how has your attitude changed from "???")?

[Surye]

Interesting

In what way?

In the general sense of the word.

The FoS on pappums was odd to me

But not on you or Ant?

If you read in order, you'd see my post was before he FoSed me. I realize this is a Dr Who Mafia, but I could not timetravel to see his FoS I'm afraid.

I didn't explain this because I wanted to see how he reacted to a page 1 vote against him.

How has he reacted? How did you expect him to react if you provided no reasoning - surely that could just be seen as a RVS vote (unless it was a RVS vote and I'm incorrect in thinking you voted CES because you thought "The FoS on pappums was odd")?

I wanted to see if he assumed it an RVS, or reacted defensively without real provocation.

[Nexus]

2) Possibly. Cannot give a definite answer to a hypothetical situation.

Tarhalindur: I felt like giving my own opinion.

[Hoppster]

The FoS on pappums was odd to me

But not on you or Ant?

If you read in order, you'd see my post was before he FoSed me. I realize this is a Dr Who Mafia, but I could not timetravel to see his FoS I'm afraid.

Yeah, realised that after I posted, but to an extent it's still kinda valid. Do you think his subsequent FoSes on yourself and Ant are/were odd?

[Surye]

PPE:

Interesting little exchange between Nexus and Hoppster. The FoS on pappums was odd to me, as I don't see not jumping on a wagon or counter wagon page 1 as scummy. I didn't explain this because I wanted to see how he reacted to a page 1 vote against him.

Since when is this townposting?

MFoS: Surye

I wish I could respond, but I don't see the problem that you obviously do :/

[Surye]

The FoS on pappums was odd to me

But not on you or Ant?

If you read in order, you'd see my post was before he FoSed me. I realize this is a Dr Who Mafia, but I could not timetravel to see his FoS I'm afraid.

Yeah, realised that after I posted, but to an extent it's still kinda valid. Do you think his subsequent FoSes on yourself and Ant are/were odd?

Actually I am not sure. It's consistent with his first FoS (off wagon vote), so I actually like his reaction, and don't see it as defensive as I thought I'd get.

[Hoppster]

Actually I am not sure. It's consistent with his first FoS (off wagon vote), so I actually like his reaction,

and don't see it as defensive as I thought I'd get.

You thought you'd get a defensive reaction: did you think he was scum (who, as such would react defensively) simply from his FoS? Or would a defensive reaction be one you would expect from town?

[Surye]

Actually I am not sure. It's consistent with his first FoS (off wagon vote), so I actually like his reaction,

and don't see it as defensive as I thought I'd get.

You thought you'd get a defensive reaction: did you think he was scum (who, as such would react defensively) simply from his FoS? Or would a defensive reaction be one you would expect from town?

I didn't think he was town or scum honestly, but during the RVS (especially page 1), FoS, ping my scumdar a bit, and I wanted to see if I could get any more information. I certainly don't appreciate being called Stupid over it

[Zang]

CES-Why is it scummy not to vote on a RVS wagon? I can understand why it wouldn't be pro-town but that doesn't make it scummy.

Speaking of Zang, I hope he posts soon. I'd like to hear his reaction to a L-2 wagon so quick x

I'm shocked about how many people hate me, I'm angry that I missed RVS and im surprised that i can have such a big effect on the game without even posting but other than that I have no opinion on it. It was just an RVS wagon and as long as I'm not put up to L-1, I see nothing wrong with it.

I'm not really sure what your argument with Hoppster is about. I understand how it started but it seems like your just arguing for the sake of arguing.

I want to see Zang posts before I move off the L-2 wagon.

Why? How should my post affect your vote when you voted me for no reason? Also, what does the m in mfos stand for?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

^scum

[Zang]

^scum

[Hoppster]

So why no vote, Zang?

[Zang]

So why no vote, Zang?

Why not ask CES the same question?

I don't usually vote somebody based on only one post.

[Ant_to_the_max]

The Zang wagon didn't need any help. Counter wagon was Meh. No funny reasons why I should join or incentive. I thought I would make my own with the condemning evidence I had

Only other player I know is rat, but I will have to go back and look at that game to really remember him.

[pappums rat]

^ LOL that was my 3rd game on this site, and I have since played like 15 or 16. I played terrible, got pushed to L-1, claimed doctor, helped lynch scum, and then got NK'ed. :goodtimes:

Anyways, I think all this dialogue between Surye and Hoppster is just a bunch of meaningless noise, and the wagons were not useful at all other than clumsily getting us out of RVS.

[Tarhalindur]

2) Possibly. Cannot give a definite answer to a hypothetical situation.

Tarhalindur: I felt like giving my own opinion.

Hmm. I'm used to waiting to give your own opinion until after the person asked has a chance to respond, so as to not risk scum barning your reasoning.

Then again, this is CES we're talking about.

Note on why "???": Unexplained FoSes are unusual, and while the reason for the FoSes could be inferred I wanted to hear it from CES himself. (In part to check on another possibility - see the end of the post.)

PPE:

Interesting little exchange between Nexus and Hoppster. The FoS on pappums was odd to me, as I don't see not jumping on a wagon or counter wagon page 1 as scummy. I didn't explain this because I wanted to see how he reacted to a page 1 vote against him.

Since when is this townposting?

MFoS: Surye

I wish I could respond, but I don't see the problem that you obviously do :/

I don't get my gut reads sometimes, but I'm willing to trust them, especially this early into the game.

If I had to identify one thing about this post that feels wrong, it's that it's too passive - no push, no attempt to express your own views on Nexus or Hoppster. What the hell is the purpose of this post? More to the point: do you think Hoppster is scum? Nexus?

Also, since players are asking: the M is for major. Should have deployed the Hand, I guess.

CES-Why is it scummy not to vote on a RVS wagon? I can understand why it wouldn't be pro-town but that doesn't make it scummy.

Speaking of Zang, I hope he posts soon. I'd like to hear his reaction to a L-2 wagon so quick x

I'm shocked about how many people hate me, I'm angry that I missed RVS and im surprised that i can have such a big effect on the game without even posting but other than that I have no opinion on it. It was just an RVS wagon and as long as I'm not put up to L-1, I see nothing wrong with it.

I'm not really sure what your argument with Hoppster is about. I understand how it started but it seems like your just arguing for the sake of arguing.

I want to see Zang posts before I move off the L-2 wagon.

Why? How should my post affect your vote when you voted me for no reason? Also, what does the m in mfos stand for?

People hating you? Can't speak for the rest of the people voting you, but I wanted a large early bandwagon to force people to take sides early, and you happened to be a convenient target. The reason I wanted to wait for you to post was to see whether your reaction was going to be "WTF?" or "whatever". The answer, instead, appears to be "both of the above". Which is probably a town response, now that I think about it.

Unvote

Seeing a FIVE-vote wagon in a Mini game RVS was a bit of a surprise to me - I think there's got to be scum somewhere on that bandwagon. I'll keep it in mind for later.

Interesting

In what way?

In the general sense of the word.

The FoS on pappums was odd to me

But not on you or Ant?

If you read in order, you'd see my post was before he FoSed me. I realize this is a Dr Who Mafia, but I could not timetravel to see his FoS I'm afraid.

I didn't explain this because I wanted to see how he reacted to a page 1 vote against him.

How has he reacted? How did you expect him to react if you provided no reasoning - surely that could just be seen as a RVS vote (unless it was a RVS vote and I'm incorrect in thinking you voted CES because you thought "The FoS on pappums was odd")?

I wanted to see if he assumed it an RVS, or reacted defensively without real provocation.

Actually I am not sure. It's consistent with his first FoS (off wagon vote), so I actually like his reaction,

and don't see it as defensive as I thought I'd get.

You thought you'd get a defensive reaction: did you think he was scum (who, as such would react defensively) simply from his FoS? Or would a defensive reaction be one you would expect from town?

I didn't think he was town or scum honestly, but during the RVS (especially page 1), FoS, ping my scumdar a bit, and I wanted to see if I could get any more information. I certainly don't appreciate being called Stupid over it

Surye is still passive, still not taking positions on players, and still not showing signs of reads (or attempts to get reads) on other players. In short, he's not scumhunting, and he's also acting like scum trying to avoid being read.

Vote: Surye

Bandwagon ahoy!

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CES: Are you claiming to be post restricted?

Hoppster and Nexus is probably a townie fight, with an outside chance of Hoppsterscum using questions to confuse the town. That's a very outside shot though.

Gut does not like bv310 and wants to see more posting out of him.

Everyone else: Get off the sidelines, please.

[Surye]

We're on page 2, I'm not being passive, I'm poking and prodding to see where people show scumminess. I commented on the Nexus and Hoppster interaction as I think there is something of note, but I don't have a read on the relationship between them. My reads will solidify and I will take a stronger stance when I have one.